Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

160925 Grant Edwards wrote: > So far I've looked at Windowmaker and LXDE. You should look at Fluxbox, which is simple & configurable. I don't know whether it can handle multiple monitors, but otherwise I've used it happily for some years. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: TCP Queuing problem

>> >> I haven't mentioned it yet, but several times I've seen the website >> >> perform fine all day until I browse to it myself and then all of a >> >> sudden it's super slow for me and my third-party monitor. WTF??? >> > >> > I had a similar problems once when routing through a IPsec VPN >> >

[gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On 2016-09-23, Grant Edwards wrote: [need to pick new desktop environment -- which could just be a window manager with a couple extra bits] So far I 've looked at windowmaker and LXDE . Windowmaker seems a bit too oriented

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Christopher Robinson wrote: > Neil, > There you go again twisting my words.I never said it compiles to a graphic > desktop. I said it gets > to one, after compiling. Try to read more carefully, will you? > Please keep to your promise not to respond to my posts. Either way, what you said is not

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Neil, There you go again twisting my words.I never said it compiles to a graphic desktop. I said it gets to one, after compiling. Try to read more carefully, will you? Please keep to your promise not to respond to my posts. n Sat, 9/24/16, Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:37:55 +, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >Does anyone else yearn for the good old days of usenet and the "lurk > >for > >seven days" rule? Or did my laser eye surgery involve an excessive > >amount > >of rose tinting? ;-) > > I actually don't remember that rule. But when

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:42:00 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > I appreciate this reply. I did assume that after I booted the minimal > install and the files compiled I could get to a graphic desktop. That > is what happens with the Live DVD, in spite of the fact that Neil sees > no

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Christopher Robinson wrote: > > I appreciate this reply. I did assume that after I booted the minimal > install and the files compiled > I could get to a graphic desktop. That is what happens with the Live DVD, in > spite of the fact that > Neil sees no difference bewteen the two. II now

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 25, 2016 12:42:00 AM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: > > > >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 6:25 PM On September 25, 2016 12:10:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dutch Ingraham

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 25, 2016 12:30:42 AM GMT+02:00, Neil Bothwick wrote: >On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:42:23 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > >> Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your >> attititude is offensive. Joachim and Rich have made positive >>

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:42:23 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your > attititude is offensive. Joachim and Rich have made positive > suggestions. Sorry about top posting, but today is my first day on the > list. Does anyone else

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 25, 2016 12:10:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dutch Ingraham wrote: >On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 09:49:07PM +, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On September 24, 2016 11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson > wrote: >> >Joost you should not be responding to

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:43:58 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > Funny how you used XXX when I SPECIFCALLY mentioned mentioned the LIVE > DVD as opposed to the minimal install cd. That was the whole point > which you missed in jumping to conclusions about my ignorance. I know you

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 25, 2016 12:14:03 AM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >I was not referring to screenshots as you well know but the unwarranted >commnets at the end Actually, the email you replied to only referenced the screenshots and the inherent risks with

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

I was not referring to screenshots as you well know but the unwarranted commnets at the end On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Saturday, September

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 09:49:07PM +, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On September 24, 2016 11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson > wrote: > >Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your > >attititude is offensive. > > Please do enlighten us.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Christopher Robinson wrote: > > Again thanks for a specific reply, unlike Dale and Neil's. Is this necessary?!

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 11:53:05 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >If I got paid for every person I had to enlighten about their snarky >comments, I could retire >myself You are either trying to be funny or have an obvious lack of understanding about

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:16:00 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >>> Call it Part 1 or Volume 1 if you prefer, the handbook itself doesn't >>> give such a label to the four sections. I meant the part called >>> "1. Installing

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2016 12:19 a.m., "Dale" > wrote: > > > > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale > > wrote: > > >> Well, you said you

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

If I got paid for every person I had to enlighten about their snarky comments, I could retire myself On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Saturday,

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your >attititude is offensive. Please do enlighten us. What part of the email you are responding to is offensive?

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 11:06:06 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >Actually, I was able to set a password although I may not have stated >this clearly enough for you to get it.I saw the directions about make >user, but was unsure if this was for root since

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your attititude is offensive. Joachim and Rich have made positive suggestions. Sorry about top posting, but today is my first day on the list. On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 11:29:59 PM GMT+02:00, Joachim Gwoke wrote: >On 25 Sep 2016 12:19 a.m., "Dale" wrote: >> >> J. Roeleveld wrote: >> > On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale > >wrote: >> >> Well, you said you

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Well, I can only read what you posted. You said you didn't so I took your word for it. My question is this. Have you already installed Gentoo and typed in a whole bunch of commands or have you just booted the media, whatever you use, and are at the prompt? Based on a recent post, it sounds

[gentoo-user] New Install

On 25 Sep 2016 12:19 a.m., "Dale" wrote: > > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale wrote: > >> Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords. That > >> is > >> part of the install process and is in

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

J. Roeleveld wrote: > On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale > wrote: >> Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords. That >> is >> part of the install process and is in the guide. You are told to set >> up >> the root password in one section

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 10:35:58 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >Rich, > >Again thanks for a specific reply, unlike Dale and Neil's. No need to become personal here. >I was detailing the end result after compiling the minimal install CD. Please explain,

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

The reason he posted XXX is because it doesn't matter what media you use. You can use the minimal one, the Live one, a DVD or USB with sysrescue on it, another Linux install, Knoppix or whatever Linuxy thing to install Gentoo from. My first install was done from Mandrake. My last one from

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Actually, I was able to set a password although I may not have stated this clearly enough for you to get it.I saw the directions about make user, but was unsure if this was for root since the manual mentioned a wheeluser.  On Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:55 PM, Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 10:43:58 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >Funny how you used XXX when I SPECIFCALLY mentioned mentioned the LIVE >DVD >as opposed to the minimal install cd. That was the whole point which >you missed in >jumping to conclusions about

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale wrote: >Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords. That >is >part of the install process and is in the guide. You are told to set >up >the root password in one section and to set up a user and its

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On September 24, 2016 10:40:16 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson wrote: >Rich responded to my question. I don't feel much like repeating. >I need the command to run the install after getting live cd # ~ First: STOP top posting Second: Fix your mailer and stop

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords. That is part of the install process and is in the guide. You are told to set up the root password in one section and to set up a user and its password in another section. At the very least, you missed those two parts and that isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Funny how you used XXX when I SPECIFCALLY mentioned mentioned the LIVE DVD as opposed to the minimal install cd. That was the whole point which you missed in jumping to conclusions about my ignorance. On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Rich responded to my question. I don't feel much like repeating. I need the command to run the install after getting live cd # ~ On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install To:

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:31:13 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > You are giving a generic answer to what you see as a generic question. > I really can't play 20 questions by repeating over until the light > comes on. I'm sorry, but "Can I install from disc XXX?" is a generic question.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Rich, Again thanks for a specific reply, unlike Dale and Neil's. I was detailing the end result after compiling the minimal install CD. I will check the manual to see if it addresses this. I was hoping to get a quick answer from the list and not to cause a ruckus.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:15:01 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > Thank you for at least responding to my question. I did try creating a > password in root, but I could not boot from there. As Rich said, if you can't boot, the password is not the problem. What is the error message you get

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale wrote: Actually, he is correct. >>> Actually, he isn't, which is hard to demonstrate since everybody is >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

You are giving a generic answer to what you see as a generic question. I really can't play 20 questions by repeating over until the light comes on. On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install To:

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Dale, Your assumption that I missed a section is entirely offbase and does not respond to my original question. I could say that you are missing the point of what I asked. For those who have had helpful suggestions I give thanks. On Sat, 9/24/16,

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:16:00 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Call it Part 1 or Volume 1 if you prefer, the handbook itself doesn't > > give such a label to the four sections. I meant the part called > > "1. Installing Gentoo". > > > > Great, where in that part does it tell you how to set a root

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:05:24 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > Honestly, your reply is not helpful. I have read through the the > handbook and the directions there do not match the screen results. You'd need to be more specific about that. > I > take offense at your arrogant tone in

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Again, top posting to follow his lead. It's not a fight. It's just called being prepared. Missing a section isn't going to give you a proper install. It's one reason I always recommend a person read the docs several times. The reason for that, if something doesn't seem right, you will more

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Call it Part 1 or Volume 1 if you prefer, the handbook itself doesn't > give such a label to the four sections. I meant the part called > "1. Installing Gentoo". > Great, where in that part does it tell you how to set

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:38:59 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > You need to read chapter 1 of the Gentoo handbook from start to > > finish, then read it again. > > The handbook doesn't have chapters. The step that was missed was well > into the process. This is the Gentoo Handbook, an effort to

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale wrote: >>> Actually, he is correct. >> Actually, he isn't, which is hard to demonstrate since everybody is >> top-posting. > > Actually he is

[gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 45.2.0 segfaulting

On 2016-08-05, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-07-14, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2016-07-14, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >>> www-client/firefox got updated this morning to 45.2.0, and now it segfaults >>> whenever you

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Christopher Robinson wrote: > Thanks again for your response. After compiling I get the prompt: live cd # ~ > I do not know what command to use to boot the install. I looked through the > manual > but I did not see an answer for

Re: [gentoo-user] Vim puts command in when starting up

On 09/24/2016 12:30 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > On 09/23/2016 02:33 PM, William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez wrote: >> El Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:24:02 -0700 >> Daniel Frey escribió: >>> On 09/23/2016 08:00 AM, pc0147 Sistemas Will_ecg wrote: El jue, 22-09-2016 a las 08:32 -0700,

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

I don't really want to get into a fight, but some of the replies-not Rich's- are missing the point I am raising. To then disparage me is unworthy for a support list. On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale wrote: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale wrote: >> Actually, he is correct. > Actually, he isn't, which is hard to demonstrate since everybody is > top-posting. Actually he is and your reply supports that point. Also, I top posted because he did and I

Re: [gentoo-user] Vim puts command in when starting up

On 09/23/2016 02:33 PM, William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez wrote: > El Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:24:02 -0700 > Daniel Frey escribió: >> On 09/23/2016 08:00 AM, pc0147 Sistemas Will_ecg wrote: >>> El jue, 22-09-2016 a las 08:32 -0700, Daniel Frey escribió: For some reason, on one

[gentoo-user] Re: Smokeping: images broken?

On 09/24/2016 08:25 AM, Daniel Frey wrote: > Are there any smokeping users? > > I did an update to apache, mod_perl, and smokeping, having to unmask > things so they build correctly... and now all graphs are broken links. > > I had to keyword mod_perl and smokeping to get everything to build

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Thanks again for your response. After compiling I get the prompt: live cd # ~ I do not know what command to use to boot the install. I looked through the manual but I did not see an answer for this. The directions seemed to apply to a very different install scenario. PS My motherboard or

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 45.3.0 won't send messages

On Saturday 24 Sep 2016 07:13:15 Daniel Frey wrote: > On 09/24/2016 03:53 AM, Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 24 Sep 2016 13:46:04 Stanislav Ch. Nikolov wrote: > >> On 09/24/2016 01:21 PM, Mick wrote: > >>> Has something changed on T'bird and this is why it stopped sending > >>> messages? Clicking on

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Christopher Robinson wrote: > > Thank you for at least responding to my question. I did try creating a > password in root, > but I could not boot from there. If it isn't booting then passwords are the least of your problems. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On 24-09-2016 01:26 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2016-09-24, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45:26PM +, Grant Edwards wrote Would anybody care to make a recommendation? How about ditching "Desktop Environment" altogether and using a "Window

[gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On 2016-09-24, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45:26PM +, Grant Edwards wrote > >> Would anybody care to make a recommendation? > > How about ditching "Desktop Environment" altogether and using a > "Window Manager" instead? That's probably a

[gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On 2016-09-24, David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Grant Edwards wrote: >>Would anybody care to make a recommendation? > > Ever checked out WindowMaker (x11-wm/windowmaker)? The default config > is quite clunky though, but there's many themes and stuff. I

[gentoo-user] Re: Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On 2016-09-24, Alecks Gates wrote: > On 09/23/2016 06:45 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I've been running XFCE for many, many years, and I was perfectly happy >> with it until 4.11 came out. Support for multiple displays[1] was >> broken in xfdesktop by a commit made in 2013.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Rich, Thank you for at least responding to my question. I did try creating a password in root, but I could not boot from there. I will check out the other manual suggestion. I had tried Systemrescue CD earlier, but it displayed in a tiny screen resolution, unreadable even with a magnifying

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale wrote: > > Actually, he is correct. Actually, he isn't, which is hard to demonstrate since everybody is top-posting. > > On Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick > wrote: > > You need to read chapter

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Top posting since he started it. ;-) Actually, he is correct. If you follow the installation guide, you will end up with a installed OS and it will tell you when it is time to reboot into the system you just installed. It also tells you how to add a user to the system. One thing Gentoo is

[gentoo-user] New Install

There's always this http://www.tecmint.com/gentoo-linux-installation-guide/ with side by side reference to the Gentoo handbook. Regards Joachim On 24 Sep 2016 6:19 p.m., "Rich Freeman" wrote: On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Robinson

[gentoo-user] Smokeping: images broken?

Are there any smokeping users? I did an update to apache, mod_perl, and smokeping, having to unmask things so they build correctly... and now all graphs are broken links. I had to keyword mod_perl and smokeping to get everything to build properly. Has anyone experienced this and know how to fix

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Robinson wrote: > After the files compile on the Minimal Install CD, I get a command line > prompt. > I assume I need to enter a username and then a password to boot the install, > but I have not succeeded in creating

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

Honestly, your reply is not helpful. I have read through the the handbook and the directions there do not match the screen results. I take offense at your arrogant tone in reply to a beginners request for help.While those with experience may find my request naive, I went to the list for

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 45.3.0 won't send messages

On 09/24/2016 03:53 AM, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 24 Sep 2016 13:46:04 Stanislav Ch. Nikolov wrote: >> On 09/24/2016 01:21 PM, Mick wrote: >>> Has something changed on T'bird and this is why it stopped sending >>> messages? Clicking on send just sits there with no sign that the client >>> is

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:13:00 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote: > Also, I read that it is possible to install Gentoo from the Live > DVD.How do I do that? You need to read chapter 1 of the Gentoo handbook from start to finish, then read it again. When you understand what is going on, you

[gentoo-user] New Install

After the files compile on the Minimal Install CD, I get a command line prompt.I assume I need to enter a username and then a password to boot the install,but I have not succeeded in creating those. What should I do? Also, I read that it is possible to install Gentoo from the Live DVD.How do I

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 45.3.0 won't send messages

On Saturday 24 Sep 2016 13:46:04 Stanislav Ch. Nikolov wrote: > On 09/24/2016 01:21 PM, Mick wrote: > > Has something changed on T'bird and this is why it stopped sending > > messages? Clicking on send just sits there with no sign that the client > > is trying to connect to the server. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 45.3.0 won't send messages

On 09/24/2016 01:21 PM, Mick wrote: > Has something changed on T'bird and this is why it stopped sending messages? > Clicking on send just sits there with no sign that the client is trying to > connect to the server. > > Have you noticed the same? > If you see this message, then the answer

[gentoo-user] Thunderbird 45.3.0 won't send messages

Has something changed on T'bird and this is why it stopped sending messages? Clicking on send just sits there with no sign that the client is trying to connect to the server. Have you noticed the same? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] Madly flickering display

On Friday 23 Sep 2016 22:30:55 David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >I've broken this out from the thread it appeared in, Problems with > >Xinerama I found from Xorg.0.log that X11 wasn't finding an evdev > >module, even though I had INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend a good replacement for XFCE?

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 01:52 -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45:26PM +, Grant Edwards wrote > > > Would anybody care to make a recommendation? > >   How about ditching "Desktop Environment" altogether and using a > "Window Manager" instead?  I use ICEWM.  It