Re: [gentoo-user] [O/T] netstat security puzzle

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Mick wrote: > > I've grep-ped the whole of /etc, no mention of "Knoppix" there. > > I've also looked in /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-enp6s8.conf to see what > hostname NetworkManager sends to dhclient. No trace of "Knoppix" in there

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good >> old-fashioned rc. > > It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > > I didn't ask for a howto for installing Gentoo on a Pi, I asked for a > howto for getting rid of systemd on recent versions of Arch Linux, > Debian, Raspbian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc. You said it's possible and I'm > not

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> >>> Again, the average home user is being jerked around for >>> a corporate agenda. >> >> Yes, it is disgusting

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis >> wrote: >>> It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 18/12/2016 01:58, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good >> old-fashioned rc. > > It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance > to FreeBSD[1] and the init

Re: [gentoo-user] [O/T] netstat security puzzle

On Friday 16 Dec 2016 19:19:11 Poison BL. wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Mick wrote: > > I am looking at a Mint 18 installation and noticed when running netstat > > that > > all tcp connections are showing not the PC name, but "Knoppix":. > > > > What might

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 08:58 PM, Andrej Rode wrote: > >> Funtoo, knoppix and devuan are not serious professional grade distros, >> two of those are in beta and gentoo isn't something you want on most >> production servers. >> >> You can't be seriously suggesting that hobbyist distros with one or two >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon, WAS: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA? Youtube... Audio: No

> How come people are so little interested to read the traffic, to learn > how sites behave which they visit, and often to discover what sites > really do to them? > > I'll go and inquire at the Pale Moon forum about the issues above, and > will post there this exact question above, I think.

[gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon, WAS: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA? Youtube... Audio: No

On 161217-20:56-0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did... > > export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt > > ...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a > couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which > begins

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

> Funtoo, knoppix and devuan are not serious professional grade distros, > two of those are in beta and gentoo isn't something you want on most > production servers. > > You can't be seriously suggesting that hobbyist distros with one or two > developers and bad security policies is a serious

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

> Because compiling takes quite a lot of time and power. Of course that > may depend on how and how often you use your computer. Proably doesn't > such a difference if your computer is running 24/7 anyway. And why are you compiling your software on a low-power embedded platform? That's the point

[gentoo-user] [OT] SCSII Adapter ?

Hi, I searched for this on the Web and the only one I found, which is available, seems to be a Windows-only product (needs Windows drivers). May be someone on this list knows a solution: Is there any "something"-to-SCSII-adapter, which can be used with Linux, and which is not a "hardisk only"

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 08:56 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did... export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt ...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which begins with the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 04:57 PM, Marc Joliet wrote: On Saturday 17 December 2016 19:20:03 Heiko Baums wrote: Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: [...] If you don't think the guides on how to install Gentoo on a Pi are good enough, then play around with it until you figure it out, and then

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did... export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt ...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which begins with the line... # SSL/TLS secrets log file, generated

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:58:45PM +, Grant Edwards wrote > On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good > > old-fashioned rc. > > It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance > to

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On December 17, 2016 11:10:04 AM PST, Walter Dnes wrote: > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're >working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly >to ffmpeg and libav.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:51:07PM +0100, Marc Joliet wrote > On Saturday 17 December 2016 14:10:04 Walter Dnes wrote: > > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're > > working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly > > to ffmpeg and libav.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 18.12.2016 um 00:17 schrieb Heiko Baums: > Btw., I hope that the Devuan people once will make a release for the Pi, > too. They already did. Heiko Baums

[gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote: > But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good > old-fashioned rc. It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance to FreeBSD[1] and the init system was nothing like it the BSD one. :) [1] Unless

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 18.12.2016 um 00:23 schrieb Andrej Rode: > For reference did you try to write an init script for a piece of > software in SysVInit, systemd and OpenRC to be able to compare them? Yes, at least I had to read a lot of them. And init scripts are really a lot easier to write and read than such a

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 161217-00:55-0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis > > wrote: > > > > > It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people are firm in > > > their

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 23:57 schrieb Andrej Rode: > And why should a Gentoo based system draw more power than any other > Linux distro? Because compiling takes quite a lot of time and power. Of course that may depend on how and how often you use your computer. Proably doesn't such a difference if your

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 23:53 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > No, I'm not a Poetering fanboy, Ok, then I'm sorry. > and you seem to be seeing the world in a > way that fits your biases. No, I don't. > And you really need to go back and read the thread. Of course nobody > said Neil is offering you a

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

> And there's always this silly argument by these Poettering fanboys, that > they don't force systemd onto anybody, and that's always possible to > switch from systemd to another init system. Then this must be possible > under - at least - almost every distro. For sure it is possible for a distro

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Marc Joliet: > Looks like somebody hasn't heard of cross-compiling! Perhaps check out sys- > devel/crossdev and/or ask on the gentoo-embedded mailing list. In fact, in > this particular case I *will* provide you with a link: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

> No he isn't offering a solution. He claims that nobody is forcing me to > using systemd. Well, Gentoo isn't indeed, but the other distros are. > > I just asked him for a solution. I couldn't find one so far. > If you want to use Debian but want to ditch systemd people already mentioned a

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 17/12/2016 20:22, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> It's not Neil's job to solve your problems. It's your job. >> >> Neil isn't offering a solution to you, he's trying to guide your >> thoughts in a direction where you can see solutions, so please stop >>

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Saturday 17 December 2016 19:20:03 Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: [...] > > If you don't think the guides on how to install Gentoo on a Pi are > > good enough, then play around with it until you figure it out, and > > then post an article on the Wiki. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Saturday 17 December 2016 14:10:04 Walter Dnes wrote: > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're > working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly > to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one layer of middleware, and the > associated

[gentoo-user] capabilities

On a detour from the setuid X problem, I wanted to play with Linux capabilities. But the simplest possible example from libcap README fails: root@matica ~ # getcap /bin/ping Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported) root@matica ~ # Any idea what could be wrong?

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 03:08:36AM -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote > What makes it better than icecat, iceweasel, foxcat, and so on? I don't use any of them, so I can't do a comparison. BTW, Iceweasel is no more https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel > As of 9th of June, 2016 the package Firefox-ESR

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > > And the next silly argument which always comes from these Poettering > fanboys. As if everybody is a programmer, and as if everybody who uses a > computer and/or Linux has to be a programmer. > Well, beggars can't be

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one layer of middleware, and the associated security problems. -- Walter Dnes I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > It's not Neil's job to solve your problems. It's your job. > > Neil isn't offering a solution to you, he's trying to guide your > thoughts in a direction where you can see solutions, so please stop > asking him (or anyone else) to find them for you.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: > Well, how much did you pay for systemd, and who did you pay it to? And there it is. The second most stupid and second most frequently argument of those Poettering fanboys. You don't expect an answer to this, do you? > And as far as how to switch to

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 09:44 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 17/12/2016 16:35, Heiko Baums wrote: >> Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick: >> >>> I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all >>> without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed >>> changing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage vs Qt

On 17/12/2016 14:51, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 17 Dec 2016 12:27:18 Kai Krakow wrote: >> Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500 >> >> schrieb Philip Webb : >>> I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem. >>> >>> The emerge command responds with a list of

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 17/12/2016 16:35, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > >> I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all >> without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed >> changing them when they continue to work perfectly well. >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > >>> So tell me how I >>> get a full refund for systemd and how to switch to something usable. >> >> I've answered the latter, your refund is attached :) > > No, you didn't.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all > without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed > changing them when they continue to work perfectly well. Then explain me how this is done. Btw., Debian's

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:35:54 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the > > way particular piece of software is going, you can

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 01:36:21 -0800, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the > > way particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund > > and switch to something else. > That argument doesn't really offer anything of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage vs Qt

On Saturday 17 Dec 2016 12:27:18 Kai Krakow wrote: > Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500 > > schrieb Philip Webb : > > I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem. > > > > The emerge command responds with a list of "conflicts", > > all involving 5.6.1

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the way > particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund and > switch to something else. Not this argument

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage vs Qt

Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500 schrieb Philip Webb : > I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem. > > The emerge command responds with a list of "conflicts", > all involving 5.6.1 vs 5.6.2 versions of the c 15 pkgs. > The only way to get around

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > >>> Well, he is a Red Hat employee. Nobody really debates that. >> >> Maybe it's not intentional spyware malice, but rather that home users >> are being jerked around while Redhat

Re: [gentoo-user] [O/T] netstat security puzzle

On Friday 16 Dec 2016 19:19:11 Poison BL. wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Mick wrote: > > I am looking at a Mint 18 installation and noticed when running netstat > > that > > all tcp connections are showing not the PC name, but "Knoppix":. > > > > What might

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Well, he is a Red Hat employee. Nobody really debates that. > > Maybe it's not intentional spyware malice, but rather that home users > are being jerked around while Redhat re-writes linux as a corporate OS. > > Systemd does all

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

What makes it better than icecat, iceweasel, foxcat, and so on? On 12/17/2016 12:59 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:27:08PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote There, the few sentences, but the topic really is serious, will Firefox, from Firefox52, in my machine, and in people who