Re: [gentoo-user] python variables

2020-10-02 Thread Adam Carter
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM William Kenworthy wrote: > Hi, I am still having problems with the python settings. There a lot of > articals online for python on Gentoo but they all seem to miss a simple > point: a list of what the current default should be: > > should there be nothing in a

[gentoo-user] python variables

2020-10-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Hi, I am still having problems with the python settings.  There a lot of articals online for python on Gentoo but they all seem to miss a simple point: a list of what the current default should be: should there be nothing in a properly configured system (all handled automaticly) PYTHON_TARGETS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 13:06:11 -0400, John Covici wrote: > > What about something like Vinux. It's an Ubuntu respin for visually > > impaired users, with plenty of options for screen reading and > > magnification. > > I have heard of that distro, there are some others like it as well, I > doubt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:47:26 -0400, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > [1 ] > On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:51:22 -0400, John Covici wrote: > > > OK, one problem is going to be, I need a command l ine, not a gui and > > I need speakup, so I will have to check and see if the Ubunto latest > > has that in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 9:23 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: >> I always use SystemRescueCD to install a new Gentoo system. Never a single >> problem with it, other than having to set up my own working conditions every >> time. >> > Personally I tend to use Ubuntu - mainly because

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:43:43 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >>> I dunno. I tested the installer thing when it was first announced >>> years ago. It failed to install. It kept getting hung somewhere but >>> with no output that I could find, I didn't know what was wrong or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:43:43 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > I dunno. I tested the installer thing when it was first announced > > years ago. It failed to install. It kept getting hung somewhere but > > with no output that I could find, I didn't know what was wrong or > > what to fix. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:25:54 -0300, David M. Fellows wrote: > Assuming the above is an accurate transcription of the command you used. > > -update is definitely NOT the same as --update. > > -update is equivalent to -u -p -d -a -t -e Nice catch :-) -- Neil Bothwick Next time you wave at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:51:22 -0400, John Covici wrote: > OK, one problem is going to be, I need a command l ine, not a gui and > I need speakup, so I will have to check and see if the Ubunto latest > has that in the kernel. What about something like Vinux. It's an Ubuntu respin for visually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 9:51 AM John Covici wrote: > > > OK, one problem is going to be, I need a command l ine, not a gui and > I need speakup, so I will have to check and see if the Ubunto latest > has that in the kernel. > Yeah, I get that, though I think the ubuntu livecd has a text console

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Dale wrote: > I dunno. I tested the installer thing when it was first announced > years ago. It failed to install. It kept getting hung somewhere but > with no output that I could find, I didn't know what was wrong or > what to fix. Isn't that how automated installers are

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread David M. Fellows
>On 2020-10-02 10:45, n952162 wrote: >> Have I successfully updated my system? >> >> I ran this command: >> >> emerge \ >>     -v \ >>     --verbose-conflicts \ >>     --deep \ >>     -update \ >>     --changed-use \ >>     --keep-going \ >>     --with-bdeps=y \ >>     --changed-deps \ >>    

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:38:54 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 9:32 AM John Covici wrote: > > > > Is there anything more recent I c an use as a rescue disk? I have > > version 5.1 but after that, not sure what they did, but could not even > > get a decent root prompt and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 9:32 AM John Covici wrote: > > Is there anything more recent I c an use as a rescue disk? I have > version 5.1 but after that, not sure what they did, but could not even > get a decent root prompt and I do need zfs, otherwise there are many > options. > Don't want to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 9:23 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I always use SystemRescueCD to install a new Gentoo system. Never a single > problem with it, other than having to set up my own working conditions every > time. > Personally I tend to use Ubuntu - mainly because it just gives you a nice

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:23:57 -0400, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > (Kmail seems to have stopped quoting the message I'm replying to.) > > I always use SystemRescueCD to install a new Gentoo system. Never a single > problem with it, other than having to set up my own working conditions every > time.

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 8:44 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 08:37:43 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > I was talking about the Gentoo installer. I'm thinking the OP is > > > using the installer to install Gentoo. > > > > Nowhere in his post does he say that. It explicitly refers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-10-02, Dale wrote: > >> I was talking about the Gentoo installer. > Huh. Didn't know there was one. Is this it? > > https://blogs.gentoo.org/chrisadr/2018/05/02/installer-a-basic-gentoo-system-anyone-can-install/ > > > > I dunno.  I tested the installer thing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Peter Humphrey
(Kmail seems to have stopped quoting the message I'm replying to.) I always use SystemRescueCD to install a new Gentoo system. Never a single problem with it, other than having to set up my own working conditions every time. I don't know what version it is, but it must have been about the last

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 08:51:52 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I've never used a gentoo-live-cd and the reason I use the gentoo-minimal > -cd is it's possible to bring speakup up on boot and for those few of us > who can't see the screen and haven't got sighted help nearby, that makes > all

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Dale wrote: > I was talking about the Gentoo installer. Huh. Didn't know there was one. Is this it? https://blogs.gentoo.org/chrisadr/2018/05/02/installer-a-basic-gentoo-system-anyone-can-install/

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Rich Freeman wrote: > As far as the minimal CD goes, you an just create mountpoints, but > really I'm not sure why anybody uses it in the first place. I usually use it. When I've tried to use systemrescuecd, I usually ran into issues: you couldn't follow the handbook

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
I've never used a gentoo-live-cd and the reason I use the gentoo-minimal -cd is it's possible to bring speakup up on boot and for those few of us who can't see the screen and haven't got sighted help nearby, that makes all manner of independent computer operations possible. On Fri, 2 Oct 2020,

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 08:37:43 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > I was talking about the Gentoo installer. I'm thinking the OP is > > using the installer to install Gentoo. > > Nowhere in his post does he say that. It explicitly refers to the > minimal CD. > > That said, the email you replied to

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 8:30 AM Dale wrote: > > I was talking about the Gentoo installer. I'm thinking the OP is using > the installer to install Gentoo. Nowhere in his post does he say that. It explicitly refers to the minimal CD. That said, the email you replied to (which wasn't from the

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:53 AM Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >>> I haven't used the Gentoo installer discs for years, but you should be >>> able to create your own mount points. >> Is it still supported? I thought it was abandoned again a good while back. >> That

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:53 AM Dale wrote: > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> I haven't used the Gentoo installer discs for years, but you should be >> able to create your own mount points. > > Is it still supported? I thought it was abandoned again a good while back. > That thing has come and gone

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:45 AM n952162 wrote: > > Have I successfully updated my system? > ... > and these snippets: > I wrote a lengthy reply explaining all of your issues. Here is a snippet: ...hope that helps. In the future, please attach your command line and full output. Did that answer

Re: [gentoo-user] install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
/var/tmp/sys-libs/timezone-data is where the failed stuff was left. Thanks. At least I learned how to use the rubber end on gentoo's pencil. On Fri, 2 Oct 2020, Michael wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 07:31:57 > From: Michael > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > To:

Re: [gentoo-user] install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Michael
On Friday, 2 October 2020 12:45:12 BST Jude DaShiell wrote: > Emerge --info|grep fail-clean is not set. Good, then all the files which were built and any errors encountered would still be left in the temporary work directory for this package under /var/tmp. The actual error printed by portage

Re: [gentoo-user] install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
Emerge --info|grep fail-clean is not set. On Fri, 2 Oct 2020, Michael wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 07:31:57 > From: Michael > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] install problems > > Hi Jude, > > On Friday, 2 October 2020

Re: [gentoo-user] install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Michael
Hi Jude, On Friday, 2 October 2020 12:21:06 BST Jude DaShiell wrote: > I made another mistake and need to find the exit. > I did emerge sys-libs/timezone-data which downloaded that package and > dependencies and then errored out badly when trying to build the packages. > The native in

[gentoo-user] install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
I made another mistake and need to find the exit. I did emerge sys-libs/timezone-data which downloaded that package and dependencies and then errored out badly when trying to build the packages. The native in COMMON_FLAGS in /etc/portage/make.conf was not recognized by what I downloaded and that

Re: [gentoo-user] Environment variables on package granularity

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:14:01 -0400, Daniel Armbruster wrote: > > [1 ] > Hi gentoo-user, > > is there a way to set environment variables on package/ebuild granularity? I'm > aware, that plenty of portage related environment variables are configurable > by > means of the package.env feature >

Re: [gentoo-user] re: install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
I used the speakup clipboard to copy out of the handbook that time.On Fri, 2 Oct 2020, Arve Barsnes wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:37:25 > From: Arve Barsnes > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > To: Gentoo > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] re: install problems > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:25:29 -0400, n952162 wrote: > > On 2020-10-02 10:45, n952162 wrote: > > Have I successfully updated my system? > > > > I ran this command: > > > > emerge \ > >     -v \ > >     --verbose-conflicts \ > >     --deep \ > >     -update \ > >     --changed-use \ > >    

Re: [gentoo-user] re: install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > The instructions read: > #emerge --config sys-libs/timezone-data > That as I wrote earlier failed. so I try: > #emerge --config sys-libs-timezone-data > and get no packages found. The instructions read #emerge --config sys-libs/timezone-data

Re: [gentoo-user] re: install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
The instructions read: #emerge --config sys-libs/timezone-data That as I wrote earlier failed. so I try: #emerge --config sys-libs-timezone-data and get no packages found. On Fri, 2 Oct 2020, Arve Barsnes wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 04:35:12 > From: Arve Barsnes > Reply-To:

Re: [gentoo-user] Environment variables on package granularity

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 11:14:01 +0200, Daniel Armbruster wrote: > is there a way to set environment variables on package/ebuild > granularity? I'm aware, that plenty of portage related environment > variables are configurable by means of the package.env feature >

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:45:32 +0200, n952162 wrote: > Have I successfully updated my system? > > I ran this command: > > emerge \ >     -v \ >     --verbose-conflicts \ >     --deep \ >     -update \ >     --changed-use \ >     --keep-going \ >     --with-bdeps=y \ >     --changed-deps \

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread n952162
On 2020-10-02 10:45, n952162 wrote: Have I successfully updated my system? I ran this command: emerge \     -v \     --verbose-conflicts \     --deep \     -update \     --changed-use \     --keep-going \     --with-bdeps=y \     --changed-deps \     --backtrack=100 \     @world and got tons

[gentoo-user] Environment variables on package granularity

2020-10-02 Thread Daniel Armbruster
Hi gentoo-user, is there a way to set environment variables on package/ebuild granularity? I'm aware, that plenty of portage related environment variables are configurable by means of the package.env feature (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/package.env). However, I didn't find a way to

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
n952162 wrote: > Have I successfully updated my system? > > I ran this command: > > emerge \ >     -v \ >     --verbose-conflicts \ >     --deep \ >     -update \ >     --changed-use \ >     --keep-going \ >     --with-bdeps=y \ >     --changed-deps \ >     --backtrack=100 \ >     @world > > and

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 02:01:14 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> No mount point on the minimal isos exists under /mnt where an installer >> can temporarily mount another drive to copy output of errors or created >> scripts that help them get around gentoo's installer

[gentoo-user] emerge @world output unfamiliar. Am I updated?

2020-10-02 Thread n952162
Have I successfully updated my system? I ran this command: emerge \     -v \     --verbose-conflicts \     --deep \     -update \     --changed-use \     --keep-going \     --with-bdeps=y \     --changed-deps \     --backtrack=100 \     @world and got tons of stuff that looks like spurious

Re: [gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 02:01:14 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > No mount point on the minimal isos exists under /mnt where an installer > can temporarily mount another drive to copy output of errors or created > scripts that help them get around gentoo's installer limitations. I haven't used the

Re: [gentoo-user] re: install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at 10:26, Jude DaShiell wrote: > !'sys/libs/timezone-data ' is not a valid package atom. > ! please check ebuild (5) for full details. > ! did you specify a version but forget to prefix with '='?) You seem to have used a slash in the package-category there, sys/libs vs.

[gentoo-user] re: install problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
This time, when updating @world I decided to not merge anything. I got up to: Next, reconfigure the [365]sys-libs/timezone-data package, which will update the /etc/localtime file for us, based on the /etc/timezone entry. The /etc/localtime file is used by the system C library to know the

[gentoo-user] installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
No mount point on the minimal isos exists under /mnt where an installer can temporarily mount another drive to copy output of errors or created scripts that help them get around gentoo's installer limitations. Earlier tonight I had been fighting with links since links insisted on downloading an