[gentoo-user] Re: photo management
KimDaBa is an exccelent way to organize a large collection of images. On 6/6/05, Oscar Carlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I tried f-spot it crashed on me, it didn't matter what versions of f-spot and mono I ran... :( It might have been a User Error (tm)... :-) måndagen den 6 juni 2005 10.35 skrev Ow Mun Heng: On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 22:29 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:58:48 -0400 Simon Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob: does that works with gnome? If it doesn't... what about the Gnome desktop enviroment users? I don't have a full gnome nor kde install. I just use what I need from gnome and kde. I've not had problems with any on the sub-sets I use. what about f-spot? -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 16:35:25 up 2 days, 1:04, 5 users, load average: 1.78, 1.13, 0.90 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Building and using binary packages with emerge/portage
This is a shame, for sure. Being able to build binary packages with portage, that can include such meta-information, would be a huge asset to using gentoo as a meta-distribution, as it is so often claimed to be. On 5/30/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 18:01 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I want to know what, if any, information about the package's build environment is stored in the package binary and what, if any, of the information is used by portage/emerge to decide when to use a binary package. I've got a suspision that emerge/portage just matches based on package name/version, this makes binary packaging much less useful, IMHO. Based on my experience, the use flag for binaries does not propagate. Hence, if you use a pre-built binary and you don't like the USE flag, used, it's not gonna be helpful to you. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those binary packages propagate into /var/db as well. (IF they do, I think they might not reflect the actual USE flags used to built the binary. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 17:02:29 up 2 days, 8:47, 8 users, load average: 1.68, 1.84, 1.63 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] ebuild digest is complaining about no PF
I'm trying to create an updated ebuild for treeline-0.12.0, to take
advantage of the new install scripts it uses. I'm having a bit of
trouble generating a digest, however, with ebuild digest. It is
complaining that part of the name or the version is missing, and then
that PF is null or , and it bails. I don't know how I could have
caused this, because I didn't even touch PF and its generated
automatically anyway, right? I've included my modified script below.
# Copyright 1999-2005 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
inherit eutils python
DESCRIPTION=TreeLine is a structured information storage program.
HOMEPAGE=http://www.bellz.org/treeline/;
SRC_URI=http://www.bellz.org/treeline/${P}.tar.gz;
LICENSE=GPL-2
SLOT=0
KEYWORDS=~x86 ~ppc
IUSE=spell
DEPEND=spell? ( || ( app-text/aspell app-text/ispell ) )
|| ( dev-python/pyxml dev-libs/expat )
virtual/python dev-python/PyQt
=x11-libs/qt-3.3.0-r1
S=${WORKDIR}/TreeLine
src_compile() {
printf '#!/bin/sh\n\nexec python %s/treeline.py $*\n' \
/usr/lib/treeline ${T}/treeline
}
src_install() {
dodir /usr/lib/treeline /usr/share/icons/treeline
install.py -p /usr
}
pkg_postinst() {
python_mod_optimize /usr/lib/treeline
}
pkg_postrm() {
python_mod_cleanup /usr/lib/treeline
}
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Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild digest is complaining about no PF
On 5/17/05, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:45:05 -0400
Calvin Spealman wrote:
I'm trying to create an updated ebuild for treeline-0.12.0, to take
advantage of the new install scripts it uses. I'm having a bit of
trouble generating a digest, however, with ebuild digest. It is
complaining that part of the name or the version is missing, and then
that PF is null or , and it bails. I don't know how I could have
caused this, because I didn't even touch PF and its generated
automatically anyway, right? I've included my modified script below.
1. what is the name of your ebuild file?
treeline-0.12.0.ebuild
2. where is it on your system
/usr/local/portage/x11-misc/treeline/
3. what is PORTAGE_OVERLAY set to?
/usr/local/portage/
And, I've thought of all that, but it wouldn't make sense. I've
already generated digests for this ebuild, and then I changed
something in it, but did not change the name or location, and that is
when I started to get this error.
# Copyright 1999-2005 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
inherit eutils python
DESCRIPTION=TreeLine is a structured information storage program.
HOMEPAGE=http://www.bellz.org/treeline/;
SRC_URI=http://www.bellz.org/treeline/${P}.tar.gz;
LICENSE=GPL-2
SLOT=0
KEYWORDS=~x86 ~ppc
IUSE=spell
DEPEND=spell? ( || ( app-text/aspell app-text/ispell ) )
|| ( dev-python/pyxml dev-libs/expat )
virtual/python dev-python/PyQt
=x11-libs/qt-3.3.0-r1
S=${WORKDIR}/TreeLine
src_compile() {
printf '#!/bin/sh\n\nexec python %s/treeline.py $*\n' \
/usr/lib/treeline ${T}/treeline
}
src_install() {
dodir /usr/lib/treeline /usr/share/icons/treeline
install.py -p /usr
}
pkg_postinst() {
python_mod_optimize /usr/lib/treeline
}
pkg_postrm() {
python_mod_cleanup /usr/lib/treeline
}
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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache2 things vhost directories are not directories?
I've gotten it all set up just fine now, although I think I need to read more up on the Directory settings, for some more fine-grained permissions, but it works now. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. On 5/15/05, sIbOk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look to this thread, maybe it helps to you http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-319429-highlight-.html 2005/5/16, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 15 May 2005, kashani wrote: I'm guessing that you haven't defined /var/www/* as directories and given them permissions. In my Apache1 installtion I have these lines in commonapache.conf. #Restricted set of options Directory / Options -All -Multiviews AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all /Directory On one of web servers, all the vhosts are under /home so instead of adding the directives to each vhost, I simply have this in commonapache.conf: Directory /home/*/html AllowOverride All Options MultiViews -Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory Directory /home/*/cgi-bin Options +ExecCGI -Includes -Indexes SetHandler cgi-script /Directory -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Cualquier hijo de puta sabe lo que darte si tiene que dolerte, pero no cualquier hijo de puta saber lo que darte si tiene que gustarte. Yo soy sIbOk un hijo puta especial...!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vsftp not accepting anonymous users
On 5/14/05, Mark Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # cat vsftp.conf | grep anonymous_enable= Make sure there's only one entry there. It's possible that anonymous_enable=NO is set somewhere sequentially AFTER where you set anonymous_enable=YES, which would override your command. I have checked, and it is only set once, to YES. On 5/13/05, Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have set the anoymous_enable=YES in vsftp.conf, but it still is not accepting anonymous users. I have also restarted the server. I have tried both anonymous and ftp, using valid e-mail addresses as passwords. Is there another step I am missing to properly enable this? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Apache2 things vhost directories are not directories?
With the following vhost.conf, I'm getting an error DocumentRoot must be a directory, and the two document roots I'm using do, in fact, exist. Does anyone know why Apache2 would think they are not directories? NameVirtualHost * VirtualHost * ServerName www.ironfroggy.com ServerAlias ironfroggy.com www.ironfroggy.com DocumentRoot /var/www/www-ironfroggy-com/ /VirtualHost VirtualHost * ServerName sftp.ironfroggy.com DocumentRoot /var/www/sftp-ironfroggy-com/ /VirtualHost And, just for good measure: drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 May 15 14:02 sftp-ironfroggy-com drwxr-xr-x 6 calvin root 4096 May 11 15:55 www-ironfroggy-com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Naming servers on a network with one IP
Thats seems a good configuration, but what about /etc/hostname? thats what im not sure of, how to set what the box sees as its own hostname, without setting it to the domain (because thats the router/network), but still with Postfix and apache running. I guess I can use the config files for them as Neil, suggested. The behavior I was seeing is that I did not set the hostname in apache's config, but set it to hostname myhostname. On 5/12/05, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 02:34 -0400, Calvin Spealman wrote: ive got a network question. i have a few machines on my local network, but only one IP. But, i don't intend to run all the server daemons on one box for long. i want to be able to address the different boxes by unique names from within the network sounds simple enough. so just give them each their own name within your network (a, b, c); and put it in /etc/hosts of each machine. Then put in /etc/hosts (or leave it up to the DNS) your external host name (x.com) which points to the router. eg /etc/hosts: 192.168.1.1 a 192.168.1.2 b 192.168.1.3 c 216.239.32.10 x.com your router forwards to each machine from the outside based on port. Each box thinks it is only called a, or b, or c, (or a.x.com if you like) but then configure the service on the box to think it is your outside name (x.com). eg in your apache.conf on machine a, you can say the hostname is x.com, in your postfix conf on machine b, you say the hostname is x.com. Internally, any machine can connect to a service on the virtual x.com, which goes to your router and back in to the correct machine (so long as your router is smart enough to do this without sending the traffic to your isp and back). Or, internally, you can connect to the correct machine, by just using a, b, or c, because you set it up and you know which is which. externally, all anyone knows about is x.com, which is listening on multiple ports. I did a similar thing at home with various services (I used to have 3 machines but I scaled back to 1!) HTH, -- Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] vsftp not accepting anonymous users
I have set the anoymous_enable=YES in vsftp.conf, but it still is not accepting anonymous users. I have also restarted the server. I have tried both anonymous and ftp, using valid e-mail addresses as passwords. Is there another step I am missing to properly enable this? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XML Editor
I've been looking for something along these lines, myself, although I'm also looking for one that does WYSIWYG based on arbitrary XSLTs. Anyway, I've looked around and found a few things. Jaxe looks like a promising possibility, over at http://jaxe.sourceforge.net/. It can validate based on a schema, as you need. It is a Java-written project, so it will run on your linux boxes, or anything else, of course. There is a very large list of editors at http://www.xml.com/pub/pt/3 you can look through, as well. On 5/11/05, Steve [Gentoo] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few bespoke XML schema specs, and I want to find a generic tool to construct XML files which are syntactically valid with respect to the schema specs. The schemas represent data-structures for domain specific records with moderately complex structure. It would not make sense to use a WYSIWYG editor as the XML tags don't correspond to textual mark-up... I don't want to use a text-editor as it would be time-consuming to manually type the tag and attribute names... as well as being more error prone and less productive to batch validate. Are there any such tools available for Gentoo? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XML Editor
Vex looks nice, I'm looking into that now, myself. Thanks Matthew. On 5/11/05, Matthew Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/11/05, Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking for something along these lines, myself, although I'm also looking for one that does WYSIWYG based on arbitrary XSLTs. Anyway, I've looked around and found a few things. For a WYSIWYG-based XML editor, check out Vex. http://vex.sourceforge.net/ It lets you define a custom DTD and CSS for an XML file. One nice thing about Vex is that it doesn't make you type XML tags manually. The program presents a list of valid elements based on the DTD, then you just pick which you want. This also cuts down on potential errors. Matt -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Blue video playback
I tried the xvattr command suggested, and now the videos play a very dark green. I dont know if that is progress in finding a clue or not.. On 5/8/05, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a laptop or multi-output video card? On my laptop system, I get video on the laptop screen, but only a frame around a bluescreen on the original monitor. Does this give a clue? BillK On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 15:57 +, Calvin Spealman wrote: This happens a lot. Currently, video playback using anything other than glmovie results in a blue screen. Audio plays fine on the videos, however. Usually when this happens, the only thing that fixes it are a few 'emerge world' sessions. I don't know what package is causing it, because its affecting multiple players. Does anyone know of some central movie playing library, perhaps, that could be doing this? It happens no matter what the format of the file is. I want to look into the matter further, but I've run out of ideas for where to look. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] E-mail quote protocol -- WAS: Re: No HTML in posts?
The replies would include instructions for which sections of the original messages to quote. On 5/9/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:56:09 +, Calvin Spealman wrote: If the mailers follow the proper multipart protocols and also make it easy to hide quoted emails, move to see the original ones, etc (to add incentives to use the protocol), then support for it can grow until everyone will have updated just over time. once you know someone's reader has support for it, because they send you emails using it, you can send to them without the old inline-quoted version. If each quoted mail is a separate message part, how the hell are you suppose to interleave your comments with the points you are replying to? This sounds like another idea to add new standards in order to make mail less usable. -- Neil Bothwick If you catch an exploding manhole cover, you can keep it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This email best viewed with IE 6.5 at 800X600 resolution
1) I don't see how this should have anything to do with Microsoft, it should be a free and open standard. 2) If you are going 20, 15, or even only 5 years without upgrading your software, then you deserve to be the victim of every single exploit and hole discoved in that software and patched within that time, if you couldn't be bothered to do a simple upgrade. On 5/7/05, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:56:09PM +, Calvin Spealman wrote then support for it can grow until everyone will have updated just over time. once you know someone's reader has support for it, because they send you emails using it, you can send to them without the old inline-quoted version. AGGH NNNOOO!! You know what we'll end up with??? This email best viewed with Internet Explorer 6.5 at 800X600 resolution and 16,000,000 with Active-X and Schlockwave-Trash enabled. I do *NOT* want to have to go out and buy Windows in order to be able to read email. Secondly, I can read today's text email with a 15 or 20 year old email client. (X)HTML doesn't work that way. It's always changing. Try reading most web pages with a 5-year-old browser and see what I mean. I should *NOT* have to change my email client every few months to keep up with deliberate incompatabilities thrown in by Microsoft. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Blue video playback
This happens a lot. Currently, video playback using anything other than glmovie results in a blue screen. Audio plays fine on the videos, however. Usually when this happens, the only thing that fixes it are a few 'emerge world' sessions. I don't know what package is causing it, because its affecting multiple players. Does anyone know of some central movie playing library, perhaps, that could be doing this? It happens no matter what the format of the file is. I want to look into the matter further, but I've run out of ideas for where to look. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Blue video playback
Its a builtin card, so I'm not sure of the exact model but here is the output from lspci: :00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G] Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) I'm using the i915 driver compiled into the kernel. On 5/8/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman schreef: This happens a lot. Currently, video playback using anything other than glmovie results in a blue screen. Audio plays fine on the videos, however. Usually when this happens, the only thing that fixes it are a few 'emerge world' sessions. I don't know what package is causing it, because its affecting multiple players. Does anyone know of some central movie playing library, perhaps, that could be doing this? It happens no matter what the format of the file is. I want to look into the matter further, but I've run out of ideas for where to look. It might be useful to know what video card you have and what drivers you're using. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This email best viewed with IE 6.5 at 800X600 resolution
I don't understand why people get so defensive over these kinds of ideas. Upgrades aren't evil. If someone complained about a bug, the first thing you'd do is tell them to upgrade to the newest version. And I did suggest the multipart protocols to be used, unless you knew the capabilities of the recipient. And, no, MS does not have to be involved. There are plenty of standards they act like they don't even know about! I'm tired of everyone being so blatently rude in their defensive stances over simple suggestions of improvement. For some reason, I've noticed these actions move prevalently in regards to email protocols and formats. The W3C wants to release a new version of HTML? No one complains (mostly). Someone wants to create a new e-mail standard, or expand an existing one? Off with their heads! Going by the way everyone reacts to these ideas, one would come to the conclusion that we should all still run nothing but command lines and pass our information around on FTP and Gopher servers. On 5/8/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman schreef: 1) I don't see how this should have anything to do with Microsoft, it should be a free and open standard. ROFL! Yeah, so should text documents, but as soon as I do any simple formatting to it (oh, no, not bold text!!!), it's not so free and open anymore (*.rtf, *.doc). As soon as you have any standard that's used by more that 3 people (making it mass usage), Microsoft *is* involved, and you can't just blow that off like it's not the reality that most every computer user has find some way to live with. 2) If you are going 20, 15, or even only 5 years without upgrading your software, then you deserve to be the victim of every single exploit and hole discoved in that software and patched within that time, if you couldn't be bothered to do a simple upgrade. Right, because I control every single email client I might ever use. Suppose I travel a lot for business-- I can't make the hotel or Internet cafe upgrade. Suppose I use a company-provided laptop for business and I have no rights to install or upgrade software. Suppose those responsible for upgrading the software on my company-provided laptop are slackers, and it's just all-around better to not submit the forms required to get an upgrade authorized, since I would then lose the use of the laptop (and probably have to use an even worse loaner) for 1.5 months just to get this non-essential upgrade. *Suppose I live in an underdeveloped country* and I'm lucky to have a donated 486 that someone richer than me gave to the Peace Corps. In that case, I may not even have the option to upgrade, as my hardware doesn't support the upgrade. And there are a lot of people who don't have good Internet access, so are really limited to whatever software is on the CD that they got-- if they got a CD at all and the donating facility didn't just pre-install the PC in the first place. Really, think. Every single person in the world does not have the advantages or capabilities that you do-- isn't that punishment enough without you 1) blaming them further (it's their fault if they don't upgrade) and 2) preventing them from becoming better human beings (sic) by way of your deathless wisdom (sic) by making that wisdom unavailable to them because you *must* disseminate that wisdom in a format that they cannot access? Holly On 5/7/05, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:56:09PM +, Calvin Spealman wrote then support for it can grow until everyone will have updated just over time. once you know someone's reader has support for it, because they send you emails using it, you can send to them without the old inline-quoted version. AGGH NNNOOO!! You know what we'll end up with??? This email best viewed with Internet Explorer 6.5 at 800X600 resolution and 16,000,000 with Active-X and Schlockwave-Trash enabled. I do *NOT* want to have to go out and buy Windows in order to be able to read email. Secondly, I can read today's text email with a 15 or 20 year old email client. (X)HTML doesn't work that way. It's always changing. Try reading most web pages with a 5-year-old browser and see what I mean. I should *NOT* have to change my email client every few months to keep up with deliberate incompatabilities thrown in by Microsoft. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] E-mail quote protocol -- WAS: Re: No HTML in posts?
If the mailers follow the proper multipart protocols and also make it easy to hide quoted emails, move to see the original ones, etc (to add incentives to use the protocol), then support for it can grow until everyone will have updated just over time. once you know someone's reader has support for it, because they send you emails using it, you can send to them without the old inline-quoted version. On 5/6/05, Robert G. Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with this will be getting *all* the email readers updated with this *entire* feature, -and- getting everyone to update to said newer versions *or* programs if/When! -their- favorite didn't get updated for this. That said, it sounds like a FINE idea to me. Now, where'd I put that blamed crowbar? rgh. Calvin Spealman wrote: I know I said I was out of this conversation, but this off the original topic so I want to make myself clear on what I actually meant here. E-mails have unique identifiers, and replies include information in the header as to the identifier(s) of the original messages. Thus, if you have the messages (or access to a service archiving them) you could reconstruct the entire thread from just a single message. A protocol or format could even be created to designate where and how other messages are quoted, without actually including the content. This would be especially useful for very large messages and replying to multiple messages at once. Always there is room to move forward, so find the door that need's unlocked and break it down. On 5/5/05, Robert G. Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman wrote: snip it isn't like the bandwidth is anything at all compared to the bloated headers and redundant repeating of messages in every reply. snip -- is a good way to control redundancy factor And sometimes someone skips the original(s), and the later msgs become interesting, and someone needs to catch up. Sigh, no soution is ever perfect. rgh. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
Going by the same reasons of client differences, one could argue we never should have extended HTML beyond the first version of Mosaic. This is insane, of course. Progress is a driving force of technology. I use HTML to style code samples in my postings, and to add some pizaz when e-mailing friends. Plug, I enjoy the interface for it in GMail. If your text-only email client can't even strip out html tags, complain to the developers, not me. Progress should not be held back by the few who think there is any value in plain text. Instead of everyone keeping track of where to send plain text and where to send real text, maybe the recipients should take responsibility for their own preferences. I will remember to use plain text for this list, but let it be known that I don't want to and I shouldn't have to. If i knew I wouldn't get banned for no good reason at all (and it would be no good reason at all, mind you), I'd turn the HTML right back on. With XSLT styling, no less. We've all got our opinions. That's mine, and I know I don't hold it alone, not even on this list, so at least cut the arrogent attitudes about it. On 5/2/05, Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know people say it, but why? It's an extreme waste and provides no value. We're here to post questions and responses, not to create pretty pictures with colored fonts, etc. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
ASCII? OK... talking about plain text is one thing, but ASCII? That's just dumb. If you are going to use plain text, at least agree that we need something better than ASCII. There are people speaking other languages you know. Thinking we should stick to ASCII is even more a sign of your stubborness than thinking we should stick to unformatted text just because you don't like it, even though you can filter the formatting out and leave the text the way you like it. Oh, but no, since you don't like it, no one should be able to use it at all. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. On 5/3/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:16:34 +, Alex A. Smith MCP wrote: Humm but when you need HTML email cause you get them, A little bit of a pain to disable them. Also working 19-20 hour days means I can do without (IMHO) needless things like turning off a function that I use. So don't. Just turn it off for this list. Ask yourself, why do you post here? If you want people to help you, rule 1 is don't piss them off. If you really want to continue posting in HTML, no one is going to stop you. Instead, they'll probably ignore you. So look forward to some fruitful discussions with yourself. dunno, next we'll be told to stop using HTML on our sites ¬¬ Here's something you may have thought of. Mail and the web are different media. HTML is specifically designed for web pages, email has always been well served by ASCII. -- Neil Bothwick Microsoft is to Software as McDonalds is to Cuisine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
On 5/3/05, Travis Rousseau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not the sender's for now? Why not the recipient's for now? One could almost argue free speech for expressing one's self in HTML, but I won't go there. If the sender disables HTML, no one gets it. If the recipient disables HTML, then everyone gets what everyone wants. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fix a system suddenly un-networked and needing dhcpcd
You can put the file in /usr/portage/distfiles, or set its location as the distfiles directory.On 5/3/05, michael higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, all. I've just moved my work location for a couple of weeks while I house-sit for a relation. At _my_ home, I configure my IP addy and all manually, while sitting behind a router. Here, it seemed like I needed dhcpcd to make my connections, either directy via the cable modem or by 'internet connection sharing' with the XP that sits here. So, here I was, Gentoo box on a network, but dhcpcd not installed so no internet connection. My question is, what would be the 'gentoo' way to fix this problem? I wound up d/l and burning the universal install CD, unpacking the portage and distfiles to /opt/tempport and editing make.conf to use this new folder for portage. That's a lot of bandwidth and media for a very small file needed, no? After I emerged dhcpcd and got connected, I undid the edits. Emerge -uDv system, world, and all seems good. But isn't there a way to tell emerge, hey, I just d/l this file. Install it from here... Like, giving the tarball located on a floppy or something? -- |\/| | |~ ~ | \/ | |---|`|` ? ||ichael | |iggins\^ / michael[dot]higgins[at]snet[dot]net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
I'm sorry if this disagreement has escalated more than it should have, but I'm actually very partial to my end of this discussion. I know all the reasons people have to argue against my point of view here, but I just find it to be a rather arrogent point of view. On 5/3/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who said the text should be unformatted? There is a lot you can do with text to improve the readability and ensure your message is conveyed correctly, without filling it with useless tags in an effort to firce my mailer to use your preferences. How is me sending in plain text not forcing my mailer to use your preferences? No one said you can't use it, but its use is not welcome on this list (and many others). You an I are visitors here and as such, good manners dictate that we should abide by the wishes of our hosts. One of those wishes is to not use HTML mails. That's exactly what I have a problem with. The community tries to claim a love of technology, standards and openess, yet we hold on to the past in the oddest ways, achieving nothing but to hold back the rest of us. I'm not saying HTML is wrong, I'm not saying HTML is bad, but it is inappropriate for this list. All in all, I'm saying that everyone should have a choice in how they send and in how they view. And putting the responsibility of the sender only unfairly forces your preferences on both the sender and on many of the recipients. But, if the responsibilty was placed in your hands, those who don't want to receive the HTML, then you could easily have it filtered out of the e-mails, as easily as I could change my settings not to send them as HTML, as you request. The difference is in who the placement of the responsibility affects. It is unjust is take from all for the sake a few, when the few can just as easily accomodate themselves without the ill of the all. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
I believe this tradition, and other's like it which hold on to old idioms for little sensible reason, are more of a challenge to the community values than anything I can say. On 5/3/05, Covington, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is that on any technical mailing list, it's tradition not to use HTML. You can't argue against it using technical reasons, people aren't going to change their minds about it. And there might not even be strong technical reasons for it anymore: just about all browsers and email clients support HTML now, including pine and mutt, just about everyone has a high-speed connection, servers have faster connections, disks and capacity, etc. but it is the tradition. Heed the proverb When in Rome... - to challenge that tradition is to go against community values. --- Chris Covington IT Plus One Health Management 75 Maiden Lane Suite 801 NY, NY 10038 646-312-6269 http://www.plusoneactive.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
MS? What makes you think I have anything to do with Microsoft or Microsoft software? My HTML messages are sent straight from good-ole gmail. On 5/3/05, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/3/05, Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I just find it to be a rather arrogent point of view. Maybe so, but it doesn't change the fact that HTML is not acceptable on this list. Go ironfroggy, play with your MS buddies.. leave the arrogance to us. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No HTML in posts?
On 5/3/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is arrogant about saying when in Rome...? Every forum has its conventions of accepted behaviour. For this forum. those conventions include non-HTML postings in English. And what did they do in Rome if you did not do as in Rome? They burned you. Now, that is some arrogence right there. They are not my preferences, they are the preferences of the list. There's a big difference. But to take your point, with plain text, each viewer chooses how their mailer displays it, which font, how large, what colour etc. And, it is against the preferences of this list that I am making my argument. I'm simply voicing my own opinion that the preferences of the mailing list, the default, if you will, should be an acceptable policy of formatted messages, in HTML. If individual users choose to prefer text, then they are free to view the messages in any way they see fit. If they want to filter out the HTML and set their own fonts to view in, as many mailer will allow, so be it. Furthermore, I want to announce to everyone in this conversation that I am done with it. I make one little comment and it has been blown out of proportion. Everyone is getting far too worked up over this, including myself. I just hope that at least some of you will consider what I've had to say, and maybe the list maintainers will even take it into consideration that a policy change might be in order, given proper care of all the issues and angles invovled. Have a nice day. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?
So its automatic detection of the features if possible, but USE flags if otherwise. OK, now I get it. The way it had been said, I just got the impression there was something different going on. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.On 5/2/05, Graham Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but amd64 is itself an extension of the x86 architecture, isn't that the case? amd64 chips run x86 code, i'm sure. do they not support those extensions? I understand that for some reason the USE flags are irrelevent here, but I don't understand why and it is starting to drive me crazy because I'm just missing something here. The reason is that with the x86 arch, not all processors support allof these features. So the USE flags allow the user to specify whichfeatures their processor (or the one for which they are building)supports. For amd64, there is no variation in the features supported, so these USE flags are not needed for amd64.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?
but amd64 is itself an extension of the x86 architecture, isn't that the case? amd64 chips run x86 code, i'm sure. do they not support those extensions? I understand that for some reason the USE flags are irrelevent here, but I don't understand why and it is starting to drive me crazy because I'm just missing something here.On 4/30/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:29:36 + Calvin Spealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| Are the things that are automatically enabled for compilation| different thanthe things the USE flags enable?| If these things are automatic, then why have the flags at all? The flags are relevant for x86. They are not relevant for amd64.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools)Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm
Re: [gentoo-user] The LiveCD as the workstation
The Ramdisk option eliminates the need for two CD drives in most situations (not a good idea for low-memory systems), and I've seen others use this kind of setup in tandem with a USB key drive for storage.On 4/29/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read a little about how custom LiveCDs can be built withcatalyst.I do like to keep my system very minimal so I wonder how itwould work to use a LiveCD as my only workstation.Are LiveCDs readyto be used in this way?I really like the idea of being able to walk up to any computer, pop in a CD, reboot, and be working on my system.What do you guys think about this?I guess this would require two CD drives in order to access another CDfrom the OS?- Grant --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's the deal with use flags in (brackets)?
i dont understand whats going on here. I thought those flags enabled the use of extended sets of the x86 instruction set, and amd64 chips are in the x86 family, aren't they? and they support those extensions, I'm sure, so what then do those flags do that the amd64 can't make use of the flags?On 4/29/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:36:25 -0400 daniel[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| Well, sse, sse2, mmx, mmxext and 3dnow are x86 things, not amd64| things, so you don't get to play with them. altivec is ppc, so you | can't play with that either. I'm guessing that the rest are masked| due to non-working dependencies.|| then why are 3dnow, mmx, sse and sse2 in the flags section of cpuinfo?| or is this in no way related to the use flags? Well, you always get them on amd64. But that's not what those USE flagsare for -- they enable or disable x86-specific assembly stuff whererelevant. On amd64, it's not relevant.I wanted to call the flags x86-3dnow, x86-sse, ppc-altivec, sparc-vis and so on to avoid this problem. Ah well.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools)Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.orgWeb : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage corrupted? Trying to install non-existant packages
I meant a terminal emulator. Just that with 99 packages, I know something won't build right. As a matter of fact, just read my next post!On 4/26/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:16:21 +, Calvin Spealman wrote: A month + with no updates, leaves lots of time at a terminal in my hands.There's nothing to stop you using a windowed environment while packages are compiling in the background.--Neil BothwickThe cow is nothing but a machine which makes grass fit for us people toeat.
[gentoo-user] koffice build failing
After finally fixing portage so I can run updates again, I ran into another (probably unrelated) hitch. KOffice is having some trouble compiling. I'm seeing errors that might suggest the wrong version of Image Magick is being used? Does anyone else agree? If that is the case, I don't know what version I should install to make this work properly. /usr/include/magick/magick.h: In static member function `static QString KisImageMagickConverter::readFilters()': /usr/include/magick/magick.h:100: error: too few arguments to function `const MagickInfo** GetMagickInfoList(const char*, long unsigned int*, ExceptionInfo*)' kis_image_magick_converter.cc:550: error: at this point in file /usr/include/magick/magick.h: In static member function `static QString KisImageMagickConverter::writeFilters()': /usr/include/magick/magick.h:100: error: too few arguments to function `const MagickInfo** GetMagickInfoList(const char*, long unsigned int*, ExceptionInfo*)' kis_image_magick_converter.cc:589: error: at this point in file make[4]: *** [kis_image_magick_converter.lo] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/koffice-5/work/koffice/krita/core/builder' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/koffice-5/work/koffice/krita/core' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/koffice-5/work/koffice/krita' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/koffice-5/work/koffice' make: *** [all] Error 2 !!! ERROR: app-office/koffice-5 failed. !!! Function kde_src_compile, Line 166, Exitcode 2 !!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message.
[gentoo-user] KOffice version... 5?
Does anyone know why portage is building KOffice version 5 right now? Last I checked, that release date was scheduled about a decade in the future, or some time around there...
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage corrupted? Trying to install non-existant packages
I did what Edward and Jason suggested, and now portage looks ready to do its job again. Now, I only have to wait for the 99 packages I need updated to download, compile, and install. A month + with no updates, leaves lots of time at a terminal in my hands. Thanks for all the help everybody!On 4/25/05, Edward Catmur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 19:21 +, Calvin Spealman wrote: See, thats part of the problem: there is no package called 'mad'. There is gnomad and madplay, but no package just called 'mad'. I had the same trouble with portage trying to install motif, instead of openmotif, which actually does exist. I don't know why, but portage just started trying to update packages that aren't there. Might it have to do with any changes in naming of packages, or some of the package splits over the last month or two? (My computer has been packed up since early March)Check your overlays. I get this occasionally from bugfix ebuilds thataren't updated when Portage-tree ebuilds are. Also clean out your cache:rm -r /usr/portage/metadata /var/cache/edb/depBut I'd bet it's your overlays.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Portage corrupted? Trying to install non-existant packages
I've been having some trouble with portage for over a month now, but I've also been in the middle of a move across several states. Finally having my box set up again, I'm ready to tackle the strange issues I'm finding. I need some help, I've gotten some of the problems out of the way, but they always just uncover something else that is wrong with it. Portage keeps trying to update packages that don't exist, so when I try to 'emerge -a world', it fails every time because one or more of the packages it wants to upgrade, it can't even find as existing. Calculating world dependencies / emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =media-sound/mad-0.14.2b-r1. !!! Problem with ebuild app-cdr/k3b-5 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. Obviously, neither of these packages actually exist. I tried a portage sync, downloading a tarball of the tree in case the sync was broken too, and even downloading a binary package of portage executables and files, but none of it had any affect on whats going on. This leads me to believe the problem lies somewhere outside of any of the files that would be affected by what I've tried so far, but I don't know what those files would be. Does anyone know where my next clues might lay? I could backup and reinstall, but I'm determined to get to the bottom of this strange behavior.
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage corrupted? Trying to install non-existant packages
See, thats part of the problem: there is no package called 'mad'. There is gnomad and madplay, but no package just called 'mad'. I had the same trouble with portage trying to install motif, instead of openmotif, which actually does exist. I don't know why, but portage just started trying to update packages that aren't there. Might it have to do with any changes in naming of packages, or some of the package splits over the last month or two? (My computer has been packed up since early March)On 4/25/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the same. ie. emerge -C mad emerge sync emerge -avt k3bWOn Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 04:41:01PM +, Calvin Spealman wrote: Well, everything went fine until I tried to install k3b again, and I still get the error about: Calculating dependencies - emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =media-sound/mad-0.14.2b-r1. On 4/25/05, Christoph Gysin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calvin Spealman wrote: !!! Problem with ebuild app-cdr/k3b-5 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. Obviously, neither of these packages actually exist. try: $ emerge -C k3b $ emerge sync $ emerge -avt k3b Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'*'|sed 's. ..'|tr * !#:2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list --* Address:45 Spelman Hall, Princeton University08544 ** Phone:x68958AIM:AngularJerk**E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]From:sep.dynalias.net *First we just solved it using Mr. Stephen Wolfram's brain. Now we're going todo it. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205Sortir en Pantoufles: up 14 days,4:28 --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
