Re: [gentoo-user] Hacked by association?
On 9/19/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night my host sent out a message that their database had been compromised. I contacted them this morning and it turns out that all of their trouble tickets were exposed. I checked my records and (stupidly) I had included my root password in an email to them about a year ago. I (stupidly) hadn't changed the password since. I've changed it now and rebooted the system, but what do you think? Do I need to start this thing over? - Grant I think you should take a look at the programs that are running, and netstat -l, and see if anything is fishy. I recognize everything in 'ps -ef' I think, but I've never really used netstat before. Under Active Internet connections I don't recognize: tcp localhost:10030 tcp *:snpp I don't recognize most of the paths under UNIX domain sockets. Anything particular I should look for? Try using the -p option to netstat to get the PID of those two connections, see if its anything suspicious -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] chage can't open /etc/passwd
On 9/17/07, Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having this problem on one of my machines for a while. As a user or as root I cannot run chage: $ chage -l marduk chage: can't open password file I've looked at /etc/passwd*, /etc/shadow* /etc/group* and /etc/gshadow* and all the permissions look fine. It works on other machines. I even tried re-emerging the shadow package, but still get the same error. I tried running pwck thinking the password file was somehow currupt. pwck only complains about users with invalid home directories/shells. Oddly enough, 'pwck' runs w/o errors, but 'pwck -r' (read-only) gives. pwck: cannot open file /etc/passwd syslog shows: Sep 17 10:07:49 [chage] failed opening /etc/passwd I'm at a loss. Rebooting makes no difference. passwd seems to work fine. I can open /etc/passwd myself (as root and user) just fine. Anyone got any clues? This is just triage, but what are the permissions on /etc/passwd? -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/31/07, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, I like to read people's opinion about genkernel, but no one has tried to answer my question yet. In my first reply, I suggested looking at a diff between your config and genkernel's config. How did that turn out? -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/31/07, Steen Eugen Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann skrev: because I have seen more than one non-booting totally f* up kernel created by genkernel. I won't touch it ever again. If something sucked in the past, the change is great that it sucks again in the future. Plus it doesn't really make things easier, does it? Enough of this religous FUD spreading about Genkernel. Your outright lying. If you don't have anything to say than lies and FUD, maybe it's time to stop saying anything. Ok, let's all just take a deep breath, chill out and get back on-topic. Clearly there are differing opinions/experiences about genkernel. We needn't get into a religious war on either side; I have a certain way I apporach kernel building that makes me avoid genkernel, that's my choice. There are those who like what genkernel does, that's their choice. I've made the argument that a non-genkernel config is less complicated than a genkernel config, and I think that's a supportable position. I've also argued that the OP should think about hand-configuring from scratch, as it reduces the number of variables to troubleshoot. I think Volker's point about genkernel not making things easier is just that it seems to be a source of confusion and complexity in this particular case (Volker please correct me if I'm wrong), which is a valid point. And it isn't FUD or lies to warn about having bad experiences with a tool in the past. If there are issues with my tone, or anyone else's tone, please say just that, rather than adding fuel to the fire. Ultimately, we're talking about whether or not to use a tool, and how to use that tool. No-one's going to live or die here: righteous anger and name-calling isn't appropriate. So again: take a deep breath, and let's try and help out a fellow gentoo-user instead of attacking each other. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/31/07, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:41:19 -0400 Ryan Sims wrote: On 8/31/07, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Really, I like to read people's opinion about genkernel, but no one has tried to answer my question yet. In my first reply, I suggested looking at a diff between your config and genkernel's config. How did that turn out? Mmm... I though I answered that. at conceptual level, I did a gunzip and moved original 2.6.12 genkernel's /proc/config.gz to .config and then, make oldconfig in new 2.6.21 sources dir (/usr/src/linux link dir). So, I should do a diff between my new .config after make oldc onfig, and currently config generated by genkernel... but has it sense? I mean, what differneces could be between them? That's what we're trying to find out. If the diff comes up empty, we'll have to look elsewhere, but it's easy to check. One thing...are you actually going from 2.6.12 to .21? Or is that a typo? While you're rebooting, see if you can get your new kernel to panic again at boot, write down the error, and post it. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/31/07, Steen Eugen Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an idiot using it wrong. so viciously done in this thread is nothing but FUD. change is great that it sucks again in the future. Plus it doesn't really make things easier, does it? All the rest of his hate drivel ... made up FUD you see this hate FUD being spread all Please stop using inflammatory language. Everyone. If you must have an argument, start a new thread or take it off list. It's perfectly fine for someone to criticize genkernel, or portage, or a hammer, or a car, or any other tool. It's also fine if you disagree with their criticisms, that's what's so great about a diverse community like gentoo; so many viewpoints. Daniels reply to your post is well said, and a perfectly valid objection to Volker's crticism, words like hate drivel FUD and such are *not*. The authors deserve intelligent feedback on their creations, which can be negative, but not inflammatory. It *really* isn't worth calling each other names, so PLEASE STOP. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/31/07, Steen Eugen Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Sims skrev: Please stop using inflammatory language. Everyone. If you must have an argument, start a new thread or take it off list. It's perfectly fine for someone to criticize genkernel, or portage, or a hammer, or a car, or any other tool. It's also fine if you disagree with their criticisms, that's what's so great about a diverse community like gentoo; so many viewpoints. Daniels reply to your post is well said, and a perfectly valid objection to Volker's crticism, words like hate drivel FUD and such are *not*. Show me where Volker is actually giving critisim. All he does is make up stories that has nothing to do with what genkernel actually does. My apologies, I didn't mean to be defending anyone. I *would* like *one of you* to admit to your invective, apologize and move one. I won't hold my breath, but it'd be nice. [snip] Ok, I've decided I'm doing more damage than good here. Arnau, if you want to take this off list away from the static (much of it generated by me, apologies), please feel free to email me, I'll help as far as I can. Otherwise, I think it best that I shut the hell up. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11: How To Calibrate Monitor Color?
On 8/30/07, fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using xorg 7.2.0 with open source drivers on an ati card. How would I calibrate my monitor? i.e. what a photographer or graphics person would want to to, do ensure I'm seeing accurate colors on my screen? Well, it sort of depends on how you define accurate colors. Are you trying to match what things look like in daylight? Or match your printer colors? The Pantone colors? There are lots of different things that come into play, such as what kind of light is over your monitor (if it's fluorescent, forget it!), different programs may have subtly different colors, do you have an LCD or a CRT, etc. There's no privileged RED(tm) or BLUE(tm) or PURPLE(tm) (unless you're looking for Pantone accuracy, or talking about pure monochromatic light) Remeber also that emitted light (slides, monitors) is very different from reflected light (pictures, wallpaper, etc). I can tell you that in design for the stage, for instance, we're concerned mainly with how colors look when reflecting the light from tungsten-filament lamps, so scenic paint shops will often be equipped with lighting that matches the color temperature[1] and CRI[2] of tungsten filaments. But we don't usually spend much time calibrating monitors to printers to lights, we just either hand-paint a rendering, or do a trial-and-error printing cycle. A quick google search will turn up a lot of calibration software and tutorials. There are also standards such as sRGB[3], they're known as color spaces, and are designed to make colors the same from input stage to output stage, regardless of what those stages are, or how many there are. The ICC[4] is another place you could look. Some of it comes down to training and experience: if you aren't a pro [photo|video]grapher or graphic designer, you probably wont notice any improvements in accuracy. If you have a specific application that you need color accuracy for (image creation to web, image creation to print, photography to print, scanner to print), color spaces are probably a good start. But don't forget that it can all be torn down in a second if your room lighting is inaccurate (i.e. most of us). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_rendering_index [3] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB [4] http://www.color.org/ -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/30/07, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I used genkernel for compiling kernel in my home server. Yesterday I wanted to compile a new kernel, but this time by hand, so I did: 1.-) moved config.gz to .config in new /usr/src/linux link 2.-) make oldconfig 3.-) make all make modules_install 4.-) mkinitrd initrm.2.6.21 2.6.21-gentoo-r4 5.-) Edited menu.lst (just copied genkernel entry and modified to my new bzimage and initram files) but my new kernel did not start, and gave me a kernel panic... So I wonder what differences could be between my compilation and genkernel one... You could diff the .config with the config that genkernel came up with. I would suggest that it would behoove you to start from a completely fresh kernel config, with the output of things like lspci and lsmod as a guide. I've never used genkernel, so I don't know if a genkernel kernel can live next to a regular one. I'd also venture the suggestion that you don't usually need an initrd for a manual kernel (unless, of course, you do ;) ), genkernel uses one to do some hardware detection and such (someone correct me if I'm wrong here), so a manual kernel can just boot straight up. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/30/07, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 30 August 2007 20:16:02 schrieb Ryan Sims: On 8/30/07, Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I used genkernel for compiling kernel in my home server. Yesterday I wanted to compile a new kernel, but this time by hand, so I did: 1.-) moved config.gz to .config in new /usr/src/linux link 2.-) make oldconfig 3.-) make all make modules_install 4.-) mkinitrd initrm.2.6.21 2.6.21-gentoo-r4 5.-) Edited menu.lst (just copied genkernel entry and modified to my new bzimage and initram files) but my new kernel did not start, and gave me a kernel panic... So I wonder what differences could be between my compilation and genkernel one... You could diff the .config with the config that genkernel came up with. I would suggest that it would behoove you to start from a completely fresh kernel config, with the output of things like lspci and lsmod as a guide. I've never used genkernel, so I don't know if a genkernel kernel can live next to a regular one. I'd also venture the suggestion that you don't usually need an initrd for a manual kernel (unless, of course, you do ;) ), genkernel uses one to do some hardware detection and such (someone correct me if I'm wrong here), so a manual kernel can just boot straight up. Only if the OP made the necessary changes to the kernel config, e.g. compiling filesystems and hard disk controller driver into the kernel instead of using modules. Sorry, I wasn't clear. That's precisely what I meant to recommend, thanks for clarifying that. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation
On 8/30/07, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Freitag, 31. August 2007, Arnau Bria wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:51:44 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 30. August 2007, Arnau Bria wrote: Hi, 2.-) make oldconfig 3.-) make all make modules_install make all modules_install install from make help: [...] Other generic targets: all - Build all targets marked with [*] * vmlinux - Build the bare kernel * modules - Build all modules [...] Execute make or make all to build all targets marked with [*] so make all make modules install should be enough. read again. it is modules_install not modules. modules_install to install the modules, install to copy the kernel, System.map and config to /boot and create the symlinks. and you don't have to do 'make blabla make blub' you can do 'make blabla blub blib'. 4.-) mkinitrd initrm.2.6.21 2.6.21-gentoo-r4 why not compile everything needed for boot into the kernel? you could skip this step?. Cause I tried so, but my kernels did not work... don't really know why, so I'm trying to look for the reason, so I wanted to start step by step, first compiling one using genkernel's ocnfig, and then, start removing options and including things to kernel. well, that obviously has not worked. Google for Greg Kroah Hartmann, go to his site, download his kernel guide. It is a book about building kernels - it should help you a lot. Agreed. Starting with a simpler (even non-working) configuration and fixing the problems will be easier than starting with an (apparently not working) extremely complicated configuration and trying to fix it. Trust me, rolling your own is really not that hard, and you'll know a lot more about what's lurking in the depths of your box when you're done. (I'll also admit to a little bit of prejudice against genkernel...I have no experience with it, but the idea makes my hackles rise. That's just my personal gut feeling, and shouldn't be taken as anything even a little bit like a reasoned criticism) -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] message i don't understand in dmesg
On 8/15/07, Elyahou ITTAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ata1.00: exception Emask 0x2 SAct 0x1c SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen ata1.00: (spurious completions during NCQ issue=0x0 SAct=0x1c FIS=004040a1:0002) ata1.00: cmd 61/08:10:99:7c:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 tag 2 cdb 0x0 data 4096 out res 40/00:24:29:f2:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 Emask 0x2 (HSM violation) ata1.00: cmd 61/08:18:01:be:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 tag 3 cdb 0x0 data 4096 out res 40/00:24:29:f2:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 Emask 0x2 (HSM violation) ata1.00: cmd 61/08:20:29:f2:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 tag 4 cdb 0x0 data 4096 out res 40/00:24:29:f2:b3/00:00:06:00:00/40 Emask 0x2 (HSM violation) ata1: soft resetting port ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300) ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 ata1: EH complete sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 312581808 512-byte hardware sectors (160042 MB) sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA it is repeated often. what that mean ? Google turned up this thread on LKML: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/6/195 You might google around on your drive's model, see if it's NCQ blacklisted. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] message i don't understand in dmesg
On 8/15/07, Elyahou ITTAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that my HD doe's not support ncq... What i have to do ? Use google. http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#ncq http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html Also, please don't top-post. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Overheated, which part is damaged?
On 8/8/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 08 August 2007 02:21, Grant wrote: My power supply's fan died and ended up really elevating the temperature in the case during a qt compile. Now I'm seeing all kinds of strange and colorful artifacts on the screen, even after the system was powered off for several hours with an external fan blowing on it. Is that definitely the video card? Sounds like it. Just in case it has not been totalled you may want to open the case, remove the video card and use a soft brush and vacuum cleaner to clean its cooling fan and heatsink. This may be underneath the card and difficult to reach without taking it out. While you're at it, repeat the exercise on the CPU. I'd be very skeptical about using a vacuum cleaner; they generate metric crap tons of static. Canned air may be better. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to disable stack randomization?
On 8/3/07, Shaochun Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I execute the same program, its stack starts at a different address. After some studying, I know it is caused by stack randomization in kernel. Although stack randomization impedes stack buffer overflow, it introduces some nondeterminism. Does anyone know how to disable it? I'm afraid I can't help, but I'm curious: what are the behaviors that the randomization is causing? Not criticizing, just interested. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] enable musicbrainz on amarok?
On 7/19/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recently recompiled amarok with the musicbrainz USE flag enabled, to allow tagging of mp3 files with musicbrainz. However, when I try to Edit tag information... the Fill-in tags using MusicBrainz button is always disabled. It tells me to install Musicbrainz, but it's installed. What should I do? I am using amarok 1.4.5-r1 and musicbrainz 2.1.4 on an x86 stable system. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140184 libtunepimp (which is the library for musicbrainz tagging) has some security problems, so the flag is disabled There's some discussion here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498213-highlight-tunepimp.html Doesn't seem like there's been much action lately on either of those places, and my gentoo-fu isn't good enough to find where it's masked, someone here probably knows more. OT: incidentally, while I can't speak for the gentoo community regarding crossposting between forums and ml, it's something that you might want to be careful about. /OT -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Linux becomes expensive ;)
On 7/18/07, Hendrik Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:49:21 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: it takes just as much power to spin up the drive as to keep it spinning for a few extra minutes. So ... spin it down after a few more minutes? -- hendrik No, only spin it down when the savings from the down cycle outweigh the power cost of spinup+spindown (I don't know whether spindown uses extra power, to brake the drive or anything). Say you have a drive that uses 1W/m (huge, but I'm being merciful to my math skills) while in usage, and requires 5W to spinup. If you're going to shut it down for 1m, you're looking at saving 1W and using 5, net use of 4, when leaving it spinning would only use 1. However, if it's going to be inactive for 30 min, you're using 5 and saving 30, net savings of 25. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user+unsubscribe
On 6/27/07, Lenny Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list So close... Who's turn is it this time? -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux becomes expensive ;)
On 6/3/07, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag 03 Juni 2007 18:03 schrieb Dan Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:16:33 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Samstag 02 Juni 2007 20:03 schrieb Jeff Horelick: Florian, That's not that big of a difference...Also, Gentoo/Linux does not have powersaving for every device like Windows XP...it's writing to the hard drive more often and it doesn't spin as much down when it's not in use to help performance. Also, if i was you, i'd be worried about your system using that LITTLE energy especially since you have a pretty hefty CPU, video card, motherboard, 2 hardrives and al the rest of your components. On 6/2/07, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys! I've just tested the energy consumption of my PC. Aparently Gentoo consumes a quiet a bit more than Windows XP: 213 W compared to 188 W PowerNow is activated and works on both cores (tested). The same hardware is plugged in and works. I'll attach the output of lspci, lsmod and cpuinfo as well as my world-file just in case it's related to some software. Is there anything I've forgotten? Where does my energy go? A short overview of my hardware: AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ EE Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe (WLAN should be deactivated) 2048 MB DDR2 Corsair SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS ATI Radeon 1950 Pro (fglrx) 2 SATA2 HDDs 1 SATA1 DVD-RAM Floppy USB mouse, keyboard and printer TFT screen (connected via DVI) Well, I've forgotten to mention that I didn't substract all peripheral devices. My new calculations (idle, nothing but the big black box under my desk): Linux 137W, Win 114W (20% or 18EUR / 20$ p.a.). It seems I can't disable my onboard WLAN completely and while Win deactivates it because I don't provide drivers, Linux gives it some power although no software is accessing it. By the way: Maximum output while testing with 3DMark 2006: 219W. I wonder why I had to buy a 400W power supply... Maybe you can power off the wlan with a wireless-utils program, or maybe by unloading the kernel module? Have you set up power management, powersave frequency governors? Have you set up your disk(s) to idle quickly? There is no kernel module. I'll play around with modules, configs and tools later. It's not urgent, it was more like a mystery that I wanted to solve. Yes, powermanagement (aka PowerNow!) is activated. No, my disks do not spin down and should not because of the attrition (I hope that's the right word) that comes with spinning up. [somewhat OT]: Please read this: http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf The damage done to hard drives in spinup/spindown is in the same category of juju as ricer cflags and cloud seeding. Drive activity and such is *not* an indicator of failure, while there may be some mechanical stress on the disk, but it's not going to cause your drive to fail noticeably earlier. Spin them down, save the power, and don't listen to fearmongers.[/OT] -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Test!
On 5/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: dark85x [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:06 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Test! On Monday 28 May 2007 19:04:16 Tobias Heinlein wrote: Hi there! eMails rock! irc email -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Perhaps an IRC bot that would send and receive emails? :P Especially if it would alternate between test and unsubscribe as the message bodies. That'd be great. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?
On 5/29/07, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often do you sync with the current portage tree and compare it your versions in world? Should one do this once a week? Once in two weeks? How often to you update major components, like Xorg, kernel, and system tool chain? As soon as new things become available, or, say, once a month or so? The reason I ask is because I often don't have a lot of time to devote to system administration on a regular basis but do want to keep my box updated as much as possible. How do some of you non-developers balance system administration with your day job? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I have 2 gentoo boxes in our apartment(one's quiet since we just moved and I haven't gotten back to it yet), I sync around once a week, and -uDavN world when I sync. If there are packages that look important (gcc, glibc, baselayout, etc) I do a bit more research. I watch gentoo.org and this list. The only time I put off an update is if I see notes about it on gentoo.org or such; things like the xorg modular ebuilds, the new java system, etc. I have portage email me the elog. It's just me and my wife using the boxes, so I'm not as careful as I would be were it a production server, but I've never really been bitten, either. As for balance with what I'm actually paid to do, if I'm taken up with work, I don't update until I get some free time. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?
On 5/29/07, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/29/07, Tim Allinghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last thing before I hop off each night, emerge --sync followed by a -pv -uDN world, if I'm happy I fire it up and head to bed :) I'm sure that makes for particularly sweet dreams ;-) One thing I've wondered about... When you update X or nvidia drivers, do you need to kill X before running emerge? I've never done it *before* the emerge, but I usually restart after the merge, like any other service. Only time I've ever had a problem with a program running while emerging is with a glibc upgrade a while back screwing with a running Firefox, restarting Firefox solved things. I usually dread kernel updates because then I have to go through kernel menuconfig all over again, and for me, that takes some time. I guess one can reuse the old .config file, but I understand it's not always a safe thing to do. Is it reasonably ok to wait for every major 2.6.x release to update, or is it necessary to update on every minor 2.6.x.y release also? I use 'gunzip -c /proc/config.gz .config make oldconfig' consistently, never had a problem. I always keep a working kernel in grub.conf in case of screwups, and I read the options very carefully before selecting. One caveat: going from 2.4 to 2.6 I reconfigured by hand from scratch. Whenever we get to 2.8 (or whatever the next major release is), I'll do that again. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] which -march flag to pick for Intel Core 2 Duo in make.conf?
On 5/24/07, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these any options in the kernel and in the gcc to optimize for Intel's Core 2 Duo chips? When I set up my gentoo box for the Pentium Processor Extreme Edition (dual core prescott), I just used -march=prescott in make.conf Which -march flag would be the most relevant gcc optimization for Intel Core 2 Duo? And is there explicit support in the latest gentoo kernel for Core 2 Duo, or does it go under Pentium 4 family? Google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?q=core+2+duo+cflags http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Intel_Core_2_Duo.2FQuad_.2F_Xeon_51xx.2F53xx -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] remote ssh session does not reflect my keyboard inputs
On 5/7/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I ssh into a Ubuntu server certain keyboard actions (like pressing the Up or Left arrows) are not translated on the remote box, but give ASCII responses; e.g. pressing Left Arrow, gives $ ^[[D which is annoying as I have to delete part of the command I just typed to be able to correct it. How can I set it up so that my Gentoo keyboard presses and behaviour is reflected on the remote box? Is it a matter of copying over the .bashrc file from the Gentoo box? I *think* this is a termcap/terminfo issue rather than a bash issue. What does 'echo $TERM' say in your ssh session? -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] remote ssh session does not reflect my keyboard inputs
On 5/7/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 May 2007 16:55, Ryan Sims wrote: On 5/7/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I ssh into a Ubuntu server certain keyboard actions (like pressing the Up or Left arrows) are not translated on the remote box, but give ASCII responses; e.g. pressing Left Arrow, gives $ ^[[D which is annoying as I have to delete part of the command I just typed to be able to correct it. How can I set it up so that my Gentoo keyboard presses and behaviour is reflected on the remote box? Is it a matter of copying over the .bashrc file from the Gentoo box? I *think* this is a termcap/terminfo issue rather than a bash issue. What does 'echo $TERM' say in your ssh session? Thanks Ryan, = $ echo $TERM rxvt $ sudo echo $TERM rxvt = which is the same like my Gentoo box. -- Regards, Mick Ok, I may be a little out of my depth here, but we'll muddle through. What does bind -p | grep history on each box tell you? You could also try 'set -o history' on the box that's giving you trouble. (I'm reneging on my idea re. termcap/info) -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing CFLAGS
On 5/3/07, Csányi András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin írta: the howto is: remove the system and start from scratch. uhhh... 3 days before changed I the cpu type in /etc/make.conf file and recompile the system. And it is work without problems... I'm very lucky... From what to what? Were you using march or mcpu? -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On 4/16/07, Thomas Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 16 at 06:46 EDT, Alan McKinnon hastily scribbled: On Friday 13 April 2007, Ryan Sims wrote: On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. I apologize for butting in, but this is actually possible if you are using a Flash memory medium, such as a CompactFlash card or a USB pen drive, for the filesystem containing Portage. It is true, as you said, that syncing often will cause no harm to a normal hard disk. Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. ...and scaring off users who passed it (probably just because they misunderstood or misinterpreted something) by replying like this. Please, be nice. --Thomas Tuttle While perhaps expressed in a harsh way, I think Alan's frustration is understandable. There is a lot of bad information out there, on subjects from CFLAGS to hard drive failure to toolchain rebuilds, based on hearsay and rumor rather than testing and understanding. When there are people posting bad advice based on misunderstanding and users accepting alarmist statements without checking facts or questioning sources, we get a lot of static on b.g.o, this list and the forums. Perhaps a more polite (but less emotionally satisfying ;) ) response is: don't just accept advice because its scary or kewl. If someone's promising performance gains or warning about damage risks, ask for real numbers/research, not just hype or alarmism. My 2cents worth. Hopefully I didn't come across as insulting, but I do think that a little more health skepticism in the gentoo user base (and indeed the world at large) would be A Good Thing (tm). -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On 4/16/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:14:07 -0300 Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deface wrote: If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. I needed to bootstrap on an old box, then swap hard drives. Not very friendly. We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Regards, Norberto As has been said, the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, although it seems worth repeating that it _does_ have to support the same architecture. This isn't usually a big deal unless a chip supports multiple architectures, ie x86_64 can run x86 code. But it can't run both at once unless it has the right libs and - gasp - livecd's don't. Some people on the gentoo forums also updated a disk image a little so that they could boot it on their nice new computers. You should be able to find it without too much difficulty on the forums. http://www.kernel-of-truth.net/downloads_kOT.html I used it to get things up and running amd64 with the new JMicron drivers, worked like a charm (ot: in stark contrast to the windows install, which eventually required a *floppy* to load drivers...slackware flashbacks ;) ). If you're worried about compatibility with a new rig, searching the forums for hardware (Asus P5B in my case) often turns up the poor souls who found bugs the hard way, allowing cowards like me to benefit from their hard work. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. This sounds like juju. Did your source provide numbers in support of this conclusion, or is it just concern about hard drive thrashing? If there is a documented causal relationship between too-often syncs and hard drive failure, I (and probably lots of other people) would be interested to see it. Personally, I would be skeptical that even daily syncs would do significant damage to a drive in good condition (all other things being equal). -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CFLAGS ...-O3 -pipe vs ...O2 no pipe
On 4/10/07, Davi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Terça 10 Abril 2007 17:15, Jesús Guerrero escreveu: El Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:08:40 -0300 Davi [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Em Terça 10 Abril 2007 16:56, Jesús Guerrero escreveu: ** Thinking: rebuild all = all packages = kde + Xorg + glibc + OOo + ... Humm... ** Well... I'm _very_ fine with -O3 flag... u.u' I would like use the -O3 flag until format my HD instead recompile my entire system... =P Well, you don't need to do so. Just change the flag. Eventually, with the time, all the packages will be recompiled now or later... There is no problem with that. Sure! But I don't want to wait 8~9 hours to compile OOo right _now_... =P What Jesús means is that if you change the flag now, over the course of usual updates eventually everything will be recompiled. There shouldn't be any harm in having some -03 and some -02 binaries on your system, so change your make.conf and let it happen incrementally with your normal updates. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heliodor?
On 4/4/07, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:57:01 +0200, Francesco Talamona wrote: echo 'x11-wm/heliodor' /etc/portage/package.keywords emerge -av heliodor Do the following, instead :) echo 'x11-wm/heliodor ~amd64' /etc/portage/package.keywords Either will work. If no arch is given in package.keywords, it defaults to ~yourcurrentarch. Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I think it's worth making clear that Alan's version will clobber /etc/portage/package.keywords, excepting noclobber-type options. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the deal with no gnome 2.18 in portage?
On 3/21/07, purple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well,if you want it do it for your self.. If who wants to do what for themselves? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the deal with no gnome 2.18 in portage?
On 3/21/07, purple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i talk to guy started this list.. Sorry, that's what I get for getting too clever. Please quote context when you reply. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your emerge --info ? If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16. [emerge --info snipped] Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's setup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ evolution (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load vfolders: Unable to load system rules '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo Component Browser ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Grasping at straws, but I found this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2006-September/001441.html Try running evolution with the --sm-disable option? It's not a fix, I know, but it might help. An evolution --help might shed some light on what --sm-disable does, if it works. (I'd check myself, but I'm not in front of a linux box right now.) -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA_CARDS Variable in-kernel drivers?
On 2/27/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:59:21 +0100 Jakob Buchgraber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b.n. wrote: Jakob Buchgraber ha scritto: Hi! I just read about the required ALSA_CARDS variable when using in-kernel drivers in the Gentoo Newsletter. Since I am using in-kernel ALSA drivers I would like to know what changed and why this is required? Is this explained somewhere? I am using vanilla-sources (not gentoo-sources). So do I need to set ALSA_CARDS when using vanilla-sources too? The GWN seems clear: for users using the in-kernel drivers, they should now properly set that variable I think that the other alsa packages must be aware of it. Anyway I think setting it shouldn't harm. Context from the GWN in question: In the past days there were a few changes to two ALSA packages, media-sound/alsa-firmware-1.0.14_rc2-r1 and media-sound/alsa-tools-1.0.14_rc1-r1. These two ebuilds now make use of the ALSA_CARDS variable to decide which firmwares to install and which tools to build. So it looks to me like it has nothing to do with the kernel. I can't check the ebuilds right now, but my guess is that they would explain what those two packages need the variable for, and what has changed. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating gentoo to a new machine
On 2/3/07, Michal 'vorner' Vaner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 04:08:41PM +0800, Seo Boon, NG wrote: Throught the years I've build-up a good collection of gentoo packages that I'm currently running on my notebook. Now that I need to move to a new notebook, I build another gentoo system where everything were smooth and I did a emerge world/systems to get everything update. Now the question is - how do get gentoo to emerge the exact same number of package like my old notebook? I've attempted to move /var/lib/portage/world(which contain all the packages that I need) to the new notebook and start a emerge world. I got an error and ask me to emaint -c that I follow diligently which didn't quite help. I follow up with a emaint -f and somehow it just get rid of all the packages that I need :( I would try (since the file looks quite friendly) emerge -va `cat /var/lib/portage/world` Perhaps emerge -va `cat /var/lib/portage/world | xargs`? I have found that bash worries about newlines in the middle of arguments -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how do I keep package from being updated?
On 1/11/07, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I have two versions on the systems, how would apache and the cli pick what version they are going to use? I think there was just a thread on top-posting, btw. IIRC, you pass -DPHP5 or -DPHP4 to apache in /etc/conf.d/apache (or possibly /etc/conf.d/apache2). As for cli, I'm not sure, I haven't used it much. on Thursday 01/11/2007 Hans-Werner Hilse([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Hi, On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:38:38 -0500 John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I did put my php version in the /etc/portage/package.mask, but it still wants to install a new major version -- curiously it says ebuild -ns rather than just -n or -u. I put the following line in there =dev-lang/php-4.4.4-r8 you don't want to mask the currently installed version (=), but rather the versions greater () than it. which is my current version of php and emerge said [ebuild NS ] dev-lang/php-5.1.6-r6 USE=berkdb cli crypt gdbm [...] interesting. Yes, that NS is for a New, Slotted version. I.e., PHP4 will still be on your system, so you might already stop worrying at this point. In fact, I don't really know how to mask a version in a different slot. I would have even expected my suggestion to do that anyway. But this makes much more sense, because there should be a seperate masking for each of the slots -- and it resembles the behaviour from the profile's masks. So you might add another line to your package.mask, following Boyd Stephen's suggestion to mask with =: =dev-lang/php-5.0.0 -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
On 1/10/07, Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Gentoo fits like a glove,even to a newbie such as myself, but I can't get AbiWord to display mathematical formulas in my documents. Is there a package I am missing (searches yielded nothing of interest thus far) or another piece of software I can use? I use wxmaxima, which can output latex, and openoffice-math has an ok formula editor. I think it also does latex. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Native 64-bit Intel Core Duo 2 system?
On 1/8/07, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any documentation on setting up a native system on my 64-bit Intel Core Duo 2 system (E6600)? I note there was mention of new compiler options to build for core 2 duo, but I haven't seen anything specific for a new install. I used the amd64 install guide, worked perfectly. I did have to use kernelOfTruth's small gentoo liveCD because of the JMicron compatibility issue, but that's a little OT Re. CFLAGS: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20061211-newsletter.xml essentially, it's -march=nocona, like David said. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Found eth0, what's depreciated
On 1/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good call Karl; I had been thinking of an older system when I modprobed what I thought was my card. It still didn't work after a modprobing, but I compiled it straight in, and it worked just fine. Thank you, Karl. Just out of curiosity (to the list in general), to undepreciate my eth0, is that just making the net.eth0 file, or am I missing something? -Eric I don't mean to be pedantic, but you mean deprecate, I assume, unless you're worried your network card isn't worth what it once was. Could you post more info? I.e. specific error messages, so on. IIRC, you need to link net.eth0 to net.lo, configure /etc/conf.d/net (as explained in /etc/conf.d/net.example) and /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start. If you get error messages, please post those, along with the relevant part of /etc/conf.d/net -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Error when trying to emerge --update --deep --newuse world
On 1/5/07, Shawn Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] [blocks B ] sys-apps/coldplug (is blocking sys-fs/udev-103) I can't emerge: sys-fs/udev-103 or udev-103 b/c that's not a valid package atom ... The correct way to specify a particular version is =sys-fs/udev-103 (or = or = or ~, etc). sys-fs/udev is also fine, but putting the version in the command requires one of those operators. That's what portage means when it complains about an invalid atom. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Several arches installed, flag kernel automatically
On 1/3/07, Matthias Fechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have here two gentoo systems one 32-bit and one 64-bit. To save space on my harddisk the mounts /home and /boot are used from both systems. Now I have the problem with the kernel version. Both systems running kernel 2.6.18-gentoo-r6. If I install now the kernel from the 64-bit system it overwrites the kernel from the 32-bit system. I assume you're using make install after building your kernel? I usually do a cp arch/[insert your arch here]/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-[version string] (and then one for the System.map) Would that do what you want? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot mount volume on Gnome 2.16 when inserting CD?
On 10/2/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I've got a /media directory. When I try to manually mount the CD using hal and gnome-mount, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ gnome-mount --hal-udi=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW --text --verbose gnome-mount 0.4 ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW with mount_point='NEW', fstype='', num_options=1 ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: option='uid=1000' ** (gnome-mount:26113): WARNING **: Mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied : A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume member Mount error name (unset) destination org.freedesktop.Hal) When I run the gnome-mount command as roót, the CD gets mounted just fine. Exact same problem here, also a new install, but it's amd64 and I don't have much keyworded. I checked to be sure, I'm in the plugdev group. I found a few posts around the web (not gentoo) by googling, nothing helpful, and apparently nothing in the gentoo forums. I see this is a couple months old, is there a solution out there? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot mount volume on Gnome 2.16 when inserting CD? [SOLVED]
On 12/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I've got a /media directory. When I try to manually mount the CD using hal and gnome-mount, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ gnome-mount --hal-udi=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW --text --verbose gnome-mount 0.4 ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW with mount_point='NEW', fstype='', num_options=1 ** (gnome-mount:26113): DEBUG: option='uid=1000' ** (gnome-mount:26113): WARNING **: Mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_NEW org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied : A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume member Mount error name (unset) destination org.freedesktop.Hal) When I run the gnome-mount command as roót, the CD gets mounted just fine. Exact same problem here, also a new install, but it's amd64 and I don't have much keyworded. I checked to be sure, I'm in the plugdev group. I found a few posts around the web (not gentoo) by googling, nothing helpful, and apparently nothing in the gentoo forums. I see this is a couple months old, is there a solution out there? Hate to reply to myself, but here's the solution I found: In /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf, I had this: policy group=plugdev allow send_interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement/ allow send_interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel/ allow send_interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume/ allow send_interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Crypto/ /policy Seems fine. Well, I tried changing plugdev to 1003 (the gid of plugdev on my system), restarted hal, and now things are just ducky. Is this a bug, or is there still some configuration weirdness going on? This is with hal-0.5.7-r3 dbus-0.62-r2 and gnome-volume-manager-2.15.0-r1 -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?
#en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 #ja_JP.EUC-JP EUC-JP #ja_JP.UTF-8 UTF-8 #ja_JP EUC-JP #en_HK ISO-8859-1 #en_PH ISO-8859-1 #de_DE ISO-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 #es_MX ISO-8859-1 #fa_IR UTF-8 #fr_FR ISO-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 #it_IT ISO-8859-1 The file says this, tho: # Whenever glibc is emerged, the locales listed here will be automatically # rebuilt for you. After updating this file, you can simply run `locale-gen` # yourself instead of re-emerging glibc. which leads me to believe that it only applies to glibc. I've remerged everything with -nls, and things are well. uim failed with an error about mygettext not declared in this scope, so I set it to +nls in package.use, and it's happy again. On 12/16/06, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 09:57:51AM -0500, Ryan Sims wrote Thanks. I do have my LINGUAS variable set to en, but as I understand it[1], the LINGUAS variable is expanded to use flags, so ebuilds that don't use those flags wont respect LINGUAS, is that correct? [1]http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/linguas/index.html What do your /etc/locale.gen and /etc/locales.build files look like? I've commented out a whole slew of languages in them. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://techsec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?
On 12/17/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Sims wrote: #en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 #ja_JP.EUC-JP EUC-JP #ja_JP.UTF-8 UTF-8 #ja_JP EUC-JP #en_HK ISO-8859-1 #en_PH ISO-8859-1 #de_DE ISO-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 #es_MX ISO-8859-1 #fa_IR UTF-8 #fr_FR ISO-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 #it_IT ISO-8859-1 The file says this, tho: # Whenever glibc is emerged, the locales listed here will be automatically # rebuilt for you. After updating this file, you can simply run `locale-gen` # yourself instead of re-emerging glibc. which leads me to believe that it only applies to glibc. I've remerged everything with -nls, and things are well. uim failed with an error about mygettext not declared in this scope, so I set it to +nls in package.use, and it's happy again. On 12/16/06, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 09:57:51AM -0500, Ryan Sims wrote Thanks. I do have my LINGUAS variable set to en, but as I understand it[1], the LINGUAS variable is expanded to use flags, so ebuilds that don't use those flags wont respect LINGUAS, is that correct? [1]http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/linguas/index.html What do your /etc/locale.gen and /etc/locales.build files look like? I've commented out a whole slew of languages in them. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://techsec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I don't have uim installed so I didn't have that problem. So it seems to be working OK for you then? Dale Yep, everything's fine, thanks. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] rhythmbox plays music too fast (oss problem?)
I recently emerged Rhythmbox to give it a shot, and I've found that it plays all my music noticably fast, so that the pitch is altered noticably. Audacious did this for a while, and I fixed it by changing its output plugin from oss to alsa; my guess is that's the problem with rhythmbox, but I can't seem to change that setting. Here's what I've done: gnome System Menu - Preferences - Multimedia Systems selector, changed everything to Alsa from Autodetect gconf-editor: /system/gstreamer/[0.10|0.8]/default/(keys that reference OSS changed to alsa equivalents) Added -oss to use flags, ran emerge -uDavN world, which did pick up several gstreamer packages. However, gst-plugins-oss remains, and gst-plugins-base still wants the oss plugin. Any thoughts? None of the other media players I have do this (i.e. mplayer, Totem, Audacious) except for what I mentioned above re. Audacious. So it's hardly a major problem, but I just can't leave something un-fixed :) -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?
On 12/13/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Sims wrote: I noticed while updating to Gnome 2.16 today that gnome2-user-docs took a long time (38 min +), and most of that time was spend on versions of the documents in languages I don't speak. After trying a few things, I found that disabling the nls use flag in scrollkeeper reduced the gnome2-user-docs compile down to under a minute. It got me thinking...I speak only English, my fiancee speaks English (well, and some French, but she doesn't need our computer to), so I thought, hm, is nls support needed *anywhere?* So I disabled the use flag globally to test, and discovered probably 30 packages that want to be rebuilt, from glibc to vim to coreutils to audacious. If I only need a monoglot computer, would I break anything by disabling nls support? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml This is the part that matters: There is also additional localisation variable called LINGUAS, which affects to localisation files that get installed in gettext-based programs, and decides used localisation for some specific software packages, such as kde-base/kde-i18n and app-office/openoffice. The variable takes in space-separated list of language codes, and suggested place to set it is /etc/make.conf: Code Listing 3.5: Setting LINGUAS in make.conf # nano -w /etc/make.conf(Add in the LINGUAS variable. For instance, for German, Finnish and English:) LINGUAS=de fi en I think that will help you. I have -nls in mine too. So both should not hurt anything. Hope that helps. Thanks. I do have my LINGUAS variable set to en, but as I understand it[1], the LINGUAS variable is expanded to use flags, so ebuilds that don't use those flags wont respect LINGUAS, is that correct? [1]http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/linguas/index.html -- Ryan W Sims
[gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?
I noticed while updating to Gnome 2.16 today that gnome2-user-docs took a long time (38 min +), and most of that time was spend on versions of the documents in languages I don't speak. After trying a few things, I found that disabling the nls use flag in scrollkeeper reduced the gnome2-user-docs compile down to under a minute. It got me thinking...I speak only English, my fiancee speaks English (well, and some French, but she doesn't need our computer to), so I thought, hm, is nls support needed *anywhere?* So I disabled the use flag globally to test, and discovered probably 30 packages that want to be rebuilt, from glibc to vim to coreutils to audacious. If I only need a monoglot computer, would I break anything by disabling nls support? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] almost completely OT: mouses
On 12/12/06, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 December 2006 18:24, Neil Bothwick wrote: I have never seen anyone (except non-native speakers by mistake) use mouses as the plural for a computer mouse. Are the people of the Oxford dictionary nuts, or is this really correct and mice wrong in this case? 1) You have waaay too much time on your hands :) Well, I had to look up the other thing. ;-) 2) My OED (2002 edition) says of the computer device (pl also mouses) so they consider both mice and mouses to be correct. Might this also be related to the use of mouse as a verb? I.e. mouse over the image to see it change, I mouse You mouse He mouses? We all.mice? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Traffic Visualizer
On 12/12/06, Timothy A. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago I saw a (unfortunatly windows) program that when pluggined into a network, would allow the user to visualize traffic across the network. In that particular program, the network (or segment) was represented as a circle with hosts around the perimeter and lines representing traffic, the thicker the line, the more traffic. Im not hooked on that particular layout, but im looking for something similar that will allow me to get a grasp of which hosts are generating traffic and how much (we are seeing some slowdown problems that I need to try to locate) Programs in portage are preferable, but if it will run on gentoo without too much gymnastics, im interested. Thanks TIM I've seen references to Etherape, which does pretty much what you describe. I can't speak for its usefulness in a production environment, being the merest dilletante ;) -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] almost completely OT: mouses
On 12/12/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:20:43 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: In Argentina we do not say raton (spanish translation for mouse) As a cordless mouse has no tail, should we call it a hamster? ;-) I like it. What about trackballs? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] eix double naming with colon?
On 12/8/06, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been meaning to ask - what's with the new double name thing in eix? Why is a package now shown as ~2.6.19-r1:2.6.19-r1 instead of just ~2.6.19-r1 How does this help me, or what isit trying to accomplish? As a user type it sure seems less readable now. I'm pretty sure that's showing you slots, but I speak under correction. Looks to me like each kernel version has it's own slot, so they wont unmerge older kernels. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] eix double naming with colon?
On 12/8/06, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 08 December 2006 17:21, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I've been meaning to ask - what's with the new double name thing in eix? Why is a package now shown as ~2.6.19-r1:2.6.19-r1 instead of just ~2.6.19-r1 The second one is the SLOT for that package. Run eix on an unslotted package and you don't get it, such as: [I] dev-libs/eet Available versions: (~)0.9.10.030 !0.9.10.030[1] (*) ![1] Installed versions: (15:14:01 12/08/06)(doc -nls) Homepage:http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/eet.html Description: E file chunk reading/writing library With a SLOTted package, it's useful to know which SLOT the package is in, I also see that your's shows them after a colon, but mine is within parenthesis: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ eix gentoo-sources [I] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources Available versions: (2.4.32-r7) 2.4.32-r7 (2.6.15-r1) 2.6.15-r1 [snip] That's interesting. Are you running a ~ version of eix, or is that a format you set up? My systems uses the colon as well. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best method for automounting...
On 12/1/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:19:44 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: That's probably because you're running two automounters, which are conflicting. You don't need autofs, and probably should not run it, when using KDE's system. Why should autofs not be running when KDE is used? Because you'll get exactly the problem the OP mentioned, with two systems trying to control the same device. The KDE system is also more flexible How do you make use of media:/ files with normal (ie. non-KDE) applications? They're mounted under /media. If I'm thread hijacking, let me know, but it seems related to me: what is it that mounts things under /media? I seem to have a couple things fighting for devices, none of which obey my udev or fstab rules, seemingly. I *think* the contenders are udev (which doesn't mount anything, but it's not creating the symlinks I want), gnome-volume-manager, hal and pmount (not sure about that last, I'm not at my system now.) -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best method for automounting...
On 12/1/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:50:29 -0500, Ryan Sims wrote: If I'm thread hijacking, let me know, but it seems related to me: what is it that mounts things under /media? I seem to have a couple things fighting for devices, none of which obey my udev or fstab rules, You don't need fstab entries for automounting with pmount. seemingly. I *think* the contenders are udev (which doesn't mount anything, but it's not creating the symlinks I want), You're right, udev doesn't mount anything, it only creates the device nodes. gnome-volume-manager, hal and pmount (not sure about that last, I'm not at my system now.) Those three, along with d-bus, are responsible for your automounting. Ok, then I think I have an automounting cage fight. I think it has to do with having KDE and gnome on the same system (don't ask, I'm in the middle of a wm transition). First, I need to learn more about the different systems, and I'll stop commandeering this thread. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What to do if packages are old?
On 11/30/06, Hans de Hartog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm currently evaluating some exotic packages in the portage tree and found out that they're almost 2 years old, don't compile or crash immediately. When I go to their home page or forums, I see that lots of new versions have been released. What to do about this? I'm not going back to the early 90's to play around with tarballs, ./configure, make make install and after a few months end up in the hell of shared library dependencies and systems being polluted beyond repair. After all, that's why I've choosen Gentoo in the first place. Should I - kindly ask somebody to do something about it? - try to make an ebuild from a tarball? - something else? Thanks for your advice! Hans. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list The s.o.p., I believe, is to check for bugs asking for new ebuilds, failing that, file one yourself, failing that, create an ebuild (probably using the old one as a guide), and submit it. If you get all the way to step 3, email me off list, I might be willing to help with some ebuild writing. You could also check and see if newer versions are keyword-masked or hard-masked, or see if they're in an overlay somewhere. Please correct if I'm wrong. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What to do if packages are old?
On 11/30/06, Hans de Hartog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Webb wrote: It would help if you listed the packages in question. Also thanks to Ryan and Steve to illustrate the situation in the not_so_common_packages scene. (BTW, how do I check for an overlay somewhere?) [snip] The gentoo wiki I know has a semi-complete list, the forums discuss them, etc. Google is, as always, your friend. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] amd64 install from x86 livecd?
There are a couple liveCDs in the forums for booting boards with the tricky JMicron goodness, but the one that seems to have the best shot at booting correctly is an x86-based livecd. If I boot from that, use it to setup my partitions and so on, but use an amd64 stage from the internet, will I be able to complete an amd64 install? Or will things get too confused to compile? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] amd64 install from x86 livecd?
On 10/1/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 October 2006 00:07, Ryan Sims wrote: There are a couple liveCDs in the forums for booting boards with the tricky JMicron goodness, but the one that seems to have the best shot at booting correctly is an x86-based livecd. If I boot from that, use it to setup my partitions and so on, but use an amd64 stage from the internet, will I be able to complete an amd64 install? Or will things get too confused to compile? A 32 bit kernel cannot run 64 bit code. Use an amd64-based livecd instead. -- Bo Andresen [forehead smack] Bloody hell. And if I'd've been thinking straight, that would've occured to me. Mea culpa. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] JMicron confusion
On 9/30/06, Duane Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/09/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. I'm running gentoo on exactly this setup. There was some trouble with support for the controller prior to 2.6.18, however it all works just fine if you use the all-generic-ide irqpoll boot parameters. Doesn't the all-generic-ide line prevent you from using DMA and such? The two objections I've seen to that is that it restricts the speed, and also renames the drives to hd* instead of sd*, so things would get switched around if I ever got to drop that parameter. Another issue you might run into is getting the onboard RTL8168 ethernet controller working. There is no in-kernel driver for this thing. I managed to get the vendor-supplied driver compiling, but isn't working correctly for me (it seems to be transmitting packets fine but not receiving anything). I've not looked into it much since there seems to be in-kernel support coming soon and I've got another ethernet controller card to use in the meantime. There are also lots of reports from people getting it working successfully, so it may just be something stupid I'm doing. Cheers, Duane. Yes, I'm seeing that, too. I think at this point I'm looking into other motherboards. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] JMicron confusion
On 9/30/06, Duane Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/09/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. I'm running gentoo on exactly this setup. There was some trouble with support for the controller prior to 2.6.18, however it all works just fine if you use the all-generic-ide irqpoll boot parameters. Did you pass those parameters to the amd64 installcd? Or did you use kernelOfTruth's livecd? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] JMicron confusion
On 9/30/06, Duane Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/09/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. I'm running gentoo on exactly this setup. There was some trouble with support for the controller prior to 2.6.18, however it all works just fine if you use the all-generic-ide irqpoll boot parameters. Another issue you might run into is getting the onboard RTL8168 ethernet controller working. There is no in-kernel driver for this thing. I managed to get the vendor-supplied driver compiling, but isn't working correctly for me (it seems to be transmitting packets fine but not receiving anything). I've not looked into it much since there seems to be in-kernel support coming soon and I've got another ethernet controller card to use in the meantime. There are also lots of reports from people getting it working successfully, so it may just be something stupid I'm doing. People on the forums claim they're using the in-kernel Realtek 8169 drivers, have you tried that? (sorry for all the noise, but the thought of upgrading my system and the thought of not being able to intsall Gentoo fills my heart with dread. ;) -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] JMicron confusion
I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at upgrading to a Core 2 Duo system, and looking at the Asus P5B series of motherboards. I've found a couple forum posts (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494387-highlight-p965.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-498160-highlight-p965.html) that seem to indicate troubles with JMicron support in kernels. Is this something I should be concerned about? The forum discussions seem to indicate that the problem is unresolved, indicating to me that I should look elsewhere for motherboards. Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Or am I wrong? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Southbridge - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (from http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1178l1=3l2=11l3=307) That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge (P965, typo earlier, sorry) -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Sims wrote: On 9/29/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Southbridge - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (from http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1178l1=3l2=11l3=307) That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge (P965, typo earlier, sorry) Yeah - looks like it is for that board - as it uses ICH8 for plain old SATA and JMicron for RAID, other similar boards seem to use ICH8R for RAID and JMicron for plain old SATA... just to add to the confusion :-) Confusion indeed ;) So how well is the ICH8 southbride supported? RAID isn't on my list of things to worry about, so if I try just straight-up SATA drives, will things work off of 2006.1, you think? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JMicron confusion
On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/06, Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Sims wrote: On 9/29/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/06, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me rephrase my question: If I only use SATA drives, non RAID, they only run through the P975 southbridge, and I should be ok, right? Well I don't own one of these things, but it looks like the SATA stuff goes through the JMicron chip, while the RAID is provided by the 975. I thought it was the other way around? Southbridge - 4 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports JMicron(r) JMB363 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices - 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go) - Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (from http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1178l1=3l2=11l3=307) That seems to say that 4 SATA drives can go through the Southbridge (P965, typo earlier, sorry) Yeah - looks like it is for that board - as it uses ICH8 for plain old SATA and JMicron for RAID, other similar boards seem to use ICH8R for RAID and JMicron for plain old SATA... just to add to the confusion :-) Confusion indeed ;) So how well is the ICH8 southbride supported? RAID isn't on my list of things to worry about, so if I try just straight-up SATA drives, will things work off of 2006.1, you think? Nuts, ignore that. Just realized the optical drives will be PATA, which goes through the JMicron. Shoot. Looks like I'll have to give either kernelOfTruth's LiveCD a shot, or possibly roll my own. Or find a LiveCD for another distro that has 2.6.18 or so. Hmm. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: upgrading question
On 9/20/06, james [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Ausmus james.ausmus at gmail.com writes: [snip] OK it's underway the system is headless right now (in the server room) so I just opted for a straight upgrade of all This may sound like a stupid question, but why bother with the nvidia binaries with a headless server? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Guidance on encrypting my /home
On 8/13/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:32:49 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: [snip] What apps and/or combination of apps do you use, and why? dm-crypt with cryptsetup using the LUKS format. Same here, but only for /home and my backup directory. I really should encrypt swap too. This thread piqued my interest; I found this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS/loopback_devices Is that how you do your home dir? Where do you put the open/close commands? Is fstab smart enough to do this natively? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] question about slotting
Recently finished getting CJK support for KDE done, via a howto in the wiki. One of the requirements was to compile qt with the immqt-bc useflag enabled. I discovered that I have two versions of qt installed, one in slot 3 and one in slot 4, all well and good. Version 3.3.6 of qt uses the immqt useflag, while version 4.1.2 doesn't. When I called emerge --newuse world to get things up to scratch with my new use flags, qt wasn't there; I had to explicitly run emerge ~qt-3.3.6 to get it to recompile. Am I missing something? I think I get why things get slotted, but it seems like emerge --newuse ignored the lower slotted version. I poked through emerge/ebuild/portage man pages, as well as the developer handbook, couldn't find anything particularly enlightening. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] xextproto download madness
This is odd: Emerging (1 of 199) x11-proto/xextproto-7.0.2 to / Resuming download... Downloading http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 --15:50:32-- http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2' Resolving xorg.freedesktop.org... 131.252.208.36 Connecting to xorg.freedesktop.org|131.252.208.36|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. !!! Couldn't download xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2. Aborting. Error in sys.exitfunc: I find it strange that emerge can say fully retrieved, nothing to do and Couldn't download in the same breath. I've tried a few things like cleaning out distfiles and downloading the file manually, I can't seem to make portage happy. Also tried turning off parallel-fetching, but that only got rid of the sys.exitfunc error. Help? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xextproto download madness [solved]
On 6/30/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 21:54, Ryan Sims wrote: I find it strange that emerge can say fully retrieved, nothing to do and Couldn't download in the same breath. I've tried a few things like cleaning out distfiles and downloading the file manually, I can't seem to make portage happy. Delete the file from $DISTDIR (/usr/portage/distfiles) if it is there, emerge --sync and try again. Well, that worked. Any thoughts about what happened? Or is it just one of the great ineffables. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] program to create buttons and graphic text
On 3/1/06, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff, 2006/3/1, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://gimp.org/ thanks for this. In fact i've used it and it is very nice. However i'm searching for something easier and quicker to use. [pretty darn OT] If it's text you're after, many would suggest you use text and CSS for styling, rather than images. Graphic text is something of a contradiction in terms. [/OT] -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good program for ogg?
On 2/13/06, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all. Want to make ogg's out of my CD's, but don't want to have to download a zillion GUI's/libraries ala KDE or GNOME. I love fluxbox, so something that works in console would even be great! What's your fave? abcde ( a better cd encoder ) is a great console app that supports lots of different formats, very simple app. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT?] ram question
I just bought a 512M stick of Crucial ram to complement another 512M stick...suddenly I'm getting tons of crashes, reboots, failed compiles, etc. I removed the new stick, and all is well, now I'm trying just the new stick alone, see if perhaps it was the both together... Something odd I've noticed, however: the new stick takes longer during the BIOS memory check...i.e. the old stick (infineon, I believe) the numbers go by essentially instantaneously. The new stick, however, I watch them tick past for a good second (unless I hit ESC, of course) This is true if the two sticks are in together, or if only the new stick is in. Is this indicative of something? I'm already pretty convinced that it's a bad stick, but I wondered if anyone could shed further light for me. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT?] ram question
On 1/14/06, Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you got the Crucial stick from them, not second hand, it's very unlikely it's bad- they test them at the factory- I've never gotten a bad stick from them in many years of building computers. Does the Crucial stick by itself cause the problems? I just finished testing that out, and no, it doesn't seem to. Have you tried changing which stick is in ram slot 1- that's the slot that will control the memory HZ and timings. If they aren't compatible, you may have problems. For example, if a faster pc3200 stick is in slot 1, and a slower pc2700 stick in slot 2, you can have problems, as it will be forced to try and run are a higher speed that it can handle. They're both pc3200, but I just rebooted with them in but reversed, so we'll see. I assume you have reset the sticks in the slots. What about overheating? What about checking the ram timings in the bios. My bios will let me change the FSB frequency (100, 133, 166 and 200MHz), and then sets the ram by that number. What about the power supply? There's a lot of things that could cause this, but if your box boots and runs normally for a short while, them problems start occurring, I'd suspect overheating- maybe the second stick blocks airflow to the first stick- it's unlikely, but who knows? Maybe you moved some ribbon cables around in the case when you added the new stick, and disrupted air flow that way. Power supply's ok, and heat doesn't seem to be an issue. Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are all ram timings on auto? If there is a 'ram flexibility' or 'compatibilty' option, is it activated? Are you overclocking? I'm not overclocking anything, unless setting the FSB freq to 200MHz counts, but I can't find any other ram-related settings in my bios (compatibility/flexibility or such as was mentioned earlier.) I ran memtest86, it found errors in test #5 (Block move, 64 moves, 52 of them), but I've read that tests 5 and 8 are sometimes squirrelly on Athlon systems. Is there a way to tell in which stick the error is happening? Or should I just test them each individually? I will look for other test programs, as well. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] gnome/gdm logout problem
Having an odd problem with gnome (or perhaps gdm). Whenever a user logs out, instead of going back to the greeter, I get an (unresponsive) grey screen with a white rectangle where the username input box goes. It seems to be only the themed greeter that has this problem. The box is still responsive as a whole, so I've poked through logs via an ssh session, and things seem ok...except for this from Xorg.0.log: drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card1 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card2 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed which goes on through /dev/dri/card14 with failures and then back to 0 again for a couple times. I'm skeptical that it's a drm thing, since the GTK+ greeter is quite happy. Like I said, that's the only log output that seems odd, if there's other information that would apropos, let me know. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3
I installed gentoo on a dual Opteron box this weekend, I've always done stage1 installs, but this time decided to try the recommeded stage3 method. I understand the concept of doing an emerge -e world in order to get the optimization of a stage1 install, and I've done this ( one time ) on the install I just completed. Can sombody explain why it's necessary/desirable to do this *twice*? What real difference does the second execution really make? As I understand it, the first time you recompile new toolchain with your old toolchain, and then the 2nd time you're recompiling the toolchain with the new toolchain, with the idea that the new toolchain will compile/assemble/link/etc everything in a different way than the old toolchain. Please correct if I'm wrong. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati -- dreaded xf86-ENOMEM error
On 8/23/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Maxim, An AGP support issue probably. Which kernel are you using? I found that running with a 2.6.12 kernel gave me this error; downgrading to 2.6.11 fixed it. here's a relevant forum topic: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-353295-highlight-xf86enomem.html Seems that the problem might be resolved with latest ati-drivers* and latest gentoo-sources, YMMV, I haven't had the chance to play with it much lately. *I notice that ati-drivers-8.14.13-r2 has fglrx-8.14.13-alt-2.6.12-agp.patch added, might be apropos: http://gentoo-portage.com/media-video/ati-drivers/ChangeLog -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] thunderbird/firefox conflict
Seems that someone filed the bug report this morning while I was at work: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100048 To fix it for now, I'm switching to the source-based version, which is still compiling, but I assume it will be fine. Sorry to have touched off a conflict, but thanks for the responses. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] thunderbird/firefox conflict
I just upgraded to mozilla-thunderbird-bin-1.0.6-r1 and
mozilla-firefox-bin-1.0.6-r1, and they seem to be conflicting with
each other, i.e. when I install firefox, running thunderbird gives me
a /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: can't find the browser :-( error,
so I remerge thunderbird and it runs, but I find that then firefox
gives me the same error. I've done this a couple of times, and
resynced.
Well, I looked at the ebuilds, because I noticed that the thunderbird
merge was installing a lot of stuff in /opt/firefox which seemed
wrong, and sure enough I found this in the thunderbird-bin-1.0.6-r1:
(line 36) src_install () {
declare MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/firefox
The thunderbird-bin-1.0.5-r1 ebuild seems to use /opt/thunderbird as its home...
Changelog doesn't seem to mention anythingwas thinking about
opening a bug report?
-=-
Ryan W Sims
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[gentoo-user] xdm problems
I'm trying to finish up a fresh install of gentoo, and I've run into the following problem: when trying to start xdm, the screen turns black, flickers once, and the system freezes. According to the xdm log (attached) I get errors regarding AGP, sometimes xf86_EINVAL and sometimes xf86_ENODEV. I tried setting the permissions mask in my udev rules to 777, and now xdm starts up, but freezes on exit. Running startx both as root and as a normal user works fine, but xdm has problems. I've had this working before on the same hardware, using the same config. A different kernel; the working kernel was 2.6.11 whereas this is 2.6.12, but all the relevant kernel options (framebuffer, drm, etc) are the same. So far the forums and googling have yielded unhelpful results, except for the suggestion of changing the permissions, so I'm assuming I've done something boneheaded that perhaps the list will catch. Thanks in advance. X Window System Version 6.8.2 Release Date: 9 February 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 i686 [ELF] Current Operating System: Linux loki 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 #1 Thu Jul 14 19:39:16 EDT 2005 i686 Build Date: 14 July 2005 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Thu Jul 14 22:01:30 2005 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf Using vt 7 (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error xf86_ENODEV (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP xdm error (pid 6914): fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) X Window System Version 6.8.2 Release Date: 9 February 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 i686 [ELF] Current Operating System: Linux loki 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 #1 Thu Jul 14 19:39:16 EDT 2005 i686 Build Date: 14 July 2005 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Thu Jul 14 22:01:42 2005 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf Using vt 7 (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found xdm error (pid 6911): nable to acquire AGP, error xf86_EINVAL Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection Section Module Loaddbe # Double buffer extension SubSection extmod Option omit xfree86-dga EndSubSection Loadtype1 Loadfreetype Loadglx # libglx.a Loaddri # libdri.a #Load Xrandr EndSection Section Files RgbPath /usr/lib/X11/rgb #FontPath /usr/share/fonts/local/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/ #FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Speedo/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ EndSection Section ServerFlags Option RandR On Option Xinerama Off EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard1 Driver kbd Option AutoRepeat 500 30 Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel microsoftinet Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 HorizSync 31-97 VertRefresh 50-180 Option DPMS #Modeline 1280x1024 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync #ModeLine 1280xi1024 167.61 1280 1336 1616 1728 960 962 974 1000 #97Hz #ModeLine 1280x1024 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync #Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 300.92 1600 1632 2768 2800 1200 1222 1239 1261 EndSection Section Device Identifier Standard VGA VendorName Unknown BoardName Unknown Driver vga EndSection Section Device Identifier ATI Graphics Adapter Driver fglrx Option NoDDC #Option KernelModuleParm agplock=0 # AGP locked user pages: disabled Option no_accel no Option no_dri no Option mtrr off # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own code for mtrr Option DesktopSetup
[gentoo-user] Re: xdm problems {SOLVED}
On 7/14/05, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far the forums and googling have yielded unhelpful results, except for the suggestion of changing the permissions, so I'm assuming I've done something boneheaded that perhaps the list will catch. Thanks in advance. Yes, boneheaded indeed. Misspelt my search terms. Bloody hell. The solution was, as usual, in the forums. Seems that ati doesn't play nicely with the 2.6.12 kernel, so I downgraded to 2.6.11-gentoo-r8 and, voila! Sorry for the static. -=- Ryan W -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
