Re: [gentoo-user] User no edit crontab

2007-02-04 Thread Greg Bur

On 2/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What else can cause this behavior?
I've looked at permissions on /var/spool/cron, subdir, and files.
They match my other installations where users can access cron.

I use the tried and true vixie-cron.


I had to add users that needed access to cron to the group cron.  I am
also using vixie-cron.
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Re: [gentoo-user] scp login but confine the user to his home directory?

2007-02-02 Thread Greg Bur

On 2/2/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,
   I'm wondering if it is possible and/or advisable to set up an
account where a user can scp files in and out of his home directory
using scp but if he logs into the machine using ssh he cannot go
anywhere outside of his home directory?

   How would I set something like this up?


Mark,

Rebuild openssh with the chroot USE flag enabled and then have a look
at the following HOWTO:

http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian

It's a bit of work to set up but it works well.  We have a similar
setup at work for our shared hosting customers.

Regards,

Greg
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Tutorial for configuring syslog-ng?

2006-11-02 Thread Greg Bur

On 11/2/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there a tutorial or a guide or something for configuring syslog-ng,
preferrably with examples?  I want to alter my default syslog-ng.conf to
filter mail logs to another file, but the man page doesn't make much
sense to me, and I couldn't find anything online that had examples to
show what exactly I needed to do...


http://linux.cudeso.be/linuxdoc/syslog-ng.php
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Re: [gentoo-user] BIG reiserfs problem

2006-10-29 Thread Greg Bur

On 10/29/06, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 20:25 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:14:06 -0500, Joe Menola wrote:

And DON'T use XFS if you can't afford an UPS.
  
   Unless you're using a laptop.
 
  Solar UPS?

 Battery!

actually laptops are worse - on mine laptop-mode doesnt detect when a
battery runs out - so everything goes black!

On one occasion I lost most of an ext3 file system, so I went back to
reiserfs and no more problems.  I have lost small areas of data with
reiserfs (nothing recent though - very stable), but on ext3 Ive lost
whole systems (desktops, and the laptop mentioned above).


I'm a bit late joining the discussion but in my experience I would say
I had problems with reiserfs about 50% of the time spread over the
last six years or so.  Most of the problems were the result of power
failures but I had all sorts of strange things happen like
/etc/X11/X11.conf being replaced with /etc/profile or some such
nonsense.  Data loss happened occasionally as well.  I ended up
creating a cronjob that ran sync every five minutes and that pretty
much put a stop to the problems.. Now I avoid using reiserfs although
I do use reiser4 for a squid cache and there does seem to be a
noticable speed improvement.  Otherwise I'm slowly moving everything
over to jfs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can iptables recognize SSH traffic?

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Bur

On 10/22/06, Nico Schümann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello folks,

I have a web server running on port 80 and a SSH daemon running on
port 22. I don't want to change these ports because it just works this
way.
Can I configure iptables that it just accepts port 80 and if I try to
connect with a ssh client to port 80 to forward this ssh traffic to
port 22? I know how all this accept and forwards stuff works, but I
can't find out an option to recognize ssh traffic.


You might want to take a look at port knocking:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6811

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wow, this is what I call stable! ;-)

2006-09-23 Thread Greg Bur

On 9/23/06, sdoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Solved,

seems there is a replacement for openal, or the package has a new
name, ... or ...

BTW, as I said, I run a stable version (x86 without the '~') and I'm
updating 87 (!!!) packages after a month or so. Is this normal? In this
case I'll return to ~x86.



If you're moving from ~x86 to x86 chances are portage is downgrading
several packages.  Once you have completed the migration to x86 you
should only have a handful of updates a week at most.
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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} 2.4Ghz interference

2006-09-18 Thread Greg Bur
On 9/18/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have an 802.11g network and I'm considering buying a wireless RF  keyboard that uses the 2.4Ghz frequency.Am I setting myself up for  interference problems? Probably not.I use a wireless mouse with my laptop all the time and
 notice no problems.Does it operate on 2.4Ghz RF?- Grant--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listYou might have problems with a 
2.4GHz wireless keyboard. If the keyboard is like most 2.4GHz wireless phones it uses FHSS instead of DHSS like your typical home wireless access point. Basically with FHSS you have 15 non-overlapping channels opposed to 3 for DHSS. Wireless phones use FHSS because it has better frequency rejection capabilities. DHSS provides better throughput with less interference rejection so you can probably guess why WAPs use DHSS. If you run your 
802.11g on channel 11 you might be able to get away with it but I won't guarantee anything. If there is an option for a 5.8GHz wireless keyboard I would opt for that or one of the older 900MHz models. 


Re: [gentoo-user] Stray dependency on virtual/x11-7.0-r2

2006-09-17 Thread Greg Bur
On 9/17/06, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just switched to modular X, and got to the point where the systemcomes up okay.I have a few remaining puzzles and problems.Here's one:When I do emerge -aDvu world, it wants to emerge[ebuildN] virtual/x11-
7.0-r2USE=dri 0 kBThe migration guide says this can happen when there's an outdated package.But equery says there are well over 100 such packages that depend onvirtual/x11.And they're all up to date.I've been running stable so far, with
very few exceptions.Am I really to go unstable with all of these?This seemsextreme in view of the fact that a great many of them are KDE things, butKDE seems to be working just fine.What's a guy to do?Can I get away with just waiting for a while?
emerge -aDvut will show the dependency tree which should tell you which package requires virtual/x11-7.0-r2. Once you have narrowed down which package requires it to be installed you can deal with it from there. Instead of going unstable with your entire system you can add the offending package to /etc/portage/package.keywords for instance. If it's a package you know you don't need you could also remove it. HTH
Regards,Greg


Re: [gentoo-user] beamer

2006-09-17 Thread Greg Bur
On 9/17/06, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I triedemerge --pretend --verbose beamerwhich returned nothing.Does anybody know whether it is in portage - and if so, under what name?Uwe[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ eix beamer* dev-tex/latex-beamer
 Available versions: 3.00-r1 ~3.01-r1 ~3.06 ~3.06-r1 Installed: none Homepage: http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/ Description: LaTeX class for creating presentations using a video projector.
Is this the package you had in mind?


Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/issue information

2006-02-27 Thread Greg Bur
On 2/27/06, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Richard, Those escape characters are recognized only by the getty program, which is used for console logins.You should still be able to use the color setting escape sequences, since those are terminal escapes.But
 the substitution stuff is getty specific, and will not work with ssh.thanks for sharing this info. It comes completely new for me. So, asfar as i understand, there is no way of having this info with ssh
login? Am i right?Look and see if you have an /etc/issue.netAll of my old RedHat boxes used that file to display a logon banner via ssh. 


Re: [gentoo-user] Why does wordpress require xterm?

2006-02-22 Thread Greg Bur
On 2/22/06, Lance Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I already haveUSE=-X -gtk -gnome -qt -kde -alsa -xpm -opengl userprofiles ...in make.conf, so somehow this is ignoring that -xpm.Even addingwww-apps/wordpress -xpm
in /etc/portage/package.use doesn't prevent the original emerge commandfrom trying to pull in xterm and X11.What am I missing now?Is it possible the xpm use flag was set when you built php?



Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-15 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/11/05, Greg Bur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well I tried without hyperthreading and without SMP and the results only
 got worse.  Now I am beginning to look at how I compiled things such as
 glibc and xorg-x11.  I already ran the undo process for prelink and now I
 think I shall recompile glibc without nptl support to see if that makes any
 difference.  I am really treading water here but I have been forced to read
 up on my hardware a lot more.  I really wish I had taken better notes.

Apparently I have fixed the problem now.  I ended up updating to a
newer kernel and used the ~amd64 nvidia drivers and everything is
working as it should.  I am still unsure what the real problem was
assuming there even was a problem.  At any rate, I appreciate the
advice everyone offered.

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Re: [gentoo-user] 32 bit binaries: installing/running on amd64 system

2005-11-13 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/13/05, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Several 32 bit binaries beg to be installed on this gentoo box.  Is there a
 good HOWTO on how to do this?

  Alan Davis



Something like this perhaps?

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1chap=3

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Re: [gentoo-user] 32 bit binaries: installing/running on amd64 system

2005-11-13 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/13/05, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank you, Greg:

Glad to help

  I think this is a step in the right direction.  However, does this apply to
 32 bit binaries one might wish to install from an RPM, for example, or a DEB
 file, from a 32 bit dist?  Note the following:


Since you are basically building a 32-bit system in an environment
similar to what you used to build your original system you would
simply need to install the appropriate software into the 32-bit chroot
environment.  Once you have rpm and the Debian utilities installed you
should be able to install packages from RPM or DEB although you will
probably have to force the installations.  I should mention that I
myself am still quite new to using a 32-bit chroot environment on a
64-bit system so I may not have all of my facts correct but hopefully
this is enough to get you on your way.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-10 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/8/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Greg Bur wrote: Dual 3.0Ghz Xeon 2GB RAM 128MB GeForce 6600GT Audigy 2 soundcard free -t -o -m output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ free -t -o -m
 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2009 1505 503 0 440 584 Swap: 1953 2 1950 Total: 3962 1508 2454According to the output of free it looks like despite having 2Gb of RAM,
your machine is swapping to disk. That will slow down your machine too.
It definitely is not an issue with swapping to disk. For some
reason X is causing a high CPU load and it acts like its only using one
processor. If I switch back to the open source driver the load
seems to be balanced across all 4 processors. To make things
even more interesting if I open glxgears while using the Nvidia driver
the problem can be temporarily alleviated. The CPU load drops
back to normal and the system is much more responsive. The open
source driver is working fine for now but I sure would like to know
what it is that I'm doing to cause the Nvidia driver to perform so
poorly.



Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-10 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/10/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Greg Bur wrote: It definitely is not an issue with swapping to disk. For some reason X is causing a high CPU load and it acts like its only using one processor. If I switch back to the open source driver the load seems to be balanced across
 all 4 processors. To make things even more interesting if I open glxgears while using the Nvidia driver the problem can be temporarily alleviated. The CPU load drops back to normal and the system is much more responsive. The
 open source driver is working fine for now but I sure would like to know what it is that I'm doing to cause the Nvidia driver to perform so poorly.Maybe the Nvidia drivers dont play well with threading and/or SMP?

That's my guess that this point. If I get the inspiration tonight
I'll try disabling hyperthreading in the BIOS and also recompiling the
kernel without SMP support. What has me beating my head against
the wall so much is not the poor performance but the fact that one out
of every 10 or 15 attempts the driver works as expected. I
suppose if something positive is to be made of this it is that I will
be more reluctant to play any games because I will have to reboot into
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Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-10 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/10/05, Greg Bur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the Nvidia drivers dont play well with threading and/or SMP?

That's my guess that this point. If I get the inspiration tonight
I'll try disabling hyperthreading in the BIOS and also recompiling the
kernel without SMP support. What has me beating my head against
the wall so much is not the poor performance but the fact that one out
of every 10 or 15 attempts the driver works as expected. I
suppose if something positive is to be made of this it is that I will
be more reluctant to play any games because I will have to reboot into
Windows. 

Well I tried without hyperthreading and without SMP and the results
only got worse. Now I am beginning to look at how I compiled
things such as glibc and xorg-x11. I already ran the undo process
for prelink and now I think I shall recompile glibc without nptl
support to see if that makes any difference. I am really treading
water here but I have been forced to read up on my hardware a lot
more. I really wish I had taken better notes.


Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-07 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/7/05, brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However, after about 10 minutes the system load on one processor sharply increases to 100% when performing a simple task such as clicking on a button in Firefox, launching a new gnome-terminal window or clicking on the Applications menu at the
 top of the screen.I have not understood if the system load increases to 100% during theaction of clicking and only during the action or if it goes up andremains stable.
My apologies for not making this more clear. The system load
spike begins with the click and it hovers at or near 100% until the new
task (opening a program, displaying a menu, etc) has completed.
Even moving a window causes this to happen and the load only jumps on
one processor, the other is idle or nearly so. When the nvidia
driver is working correctly (assuming the driver is to blame) the load
seems to be balanced evenly across both processors.
In the second case you should launch top from a shell and see what
process chews up your processor.m.
top is telling me that X is the guilty party. I can renice X to a
lower priority and get some responsiveness back but again, there are
times when everything performs as expected. The problem is
intermittant although it happens more often than not.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-07 Thread Greg Bur
On 11/7/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Greg Bur wrote: My apologies for not making this more clear. The system load spike begins with the click and it hovers at or near 100% until the new task (opening a program, displaying a menu, etc) has completed. Even moving a window causes
 this to happen and the load only jumps on one processor, the other is idle or nearly so. When the nvidia driver is working correctly (assuming the driver is to blame) the load seems to be balanced evenly across both
 processors.What are the specs of the machine? How much RAM when running X? (free -t-o -m in an xterm will tell you). How much free disk space? Dualprocessor machine? If so, SMP is enabled in your kernel? Is X using
software rendering?
Dual 3.0Ghz Xeon
2GB RAM
128MB GeForce 6600GT
Audigy 2 soundcard

free -t -o -m output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ free -t -o -m

total
used free
shared buffers cached
Mem:
2009
1505
503
0
440 584
Swap:
1953
2 1950
Total:
3962
1508 2454

SMP is enabled in the kernel as well as hyperthreading in the
BIOS. As for X using software rendering, to be completely honest
I'm not sure and my guts are telling me that is what is happening
here. I believe I have enabled all of the appropriate options in
the kernel as well as /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Many variables here.

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[gentoo-user] Abysmally slow 2D performance using proprietary Nvidia driver on dual Xeon system (EMT64)

2005-11-06 Thread Greg Bur
Greetings,

I have been trying to fix a somewhat puzzling and annoying problem over
the last couple of months that has me absolutely stumped. I have
been unable to isolate the cause of the problem and it appears to be
intermittant at best. The issue rears its ugly head as follows:

This is on a dual boot workstation with a Supermicro X6DAL-XTG
motherboard, dual 3.0GHz Xeon processors and a GeForce 6600GT video
card. The system has worked splendidly since I purchased it back
in June with one exception: occasionally when rebooting the
system to return to Linux from Windows the 2D performance in Gnome is
terrible. The problem does not appear immediately nor does it
happen every time. Initially gdmgreeter appears as it should and
I enter my login credentials. The Gnome desktop loads quickly and
as I start to work applications load normally. However, after
about 10 minutes the system load on one processor sharply increases to
100% when performing a simple task such as clicking on a button in
Firefox, launching a new gnome-terminal window or clicking on the
Applications menu at the top of the screen. The response time
between clicking and the menu appearing for instance is anywhere from
2-5 seconds. There does not seem to be any quick fix for this
which is what has me puzzled. If I close all of my applications,
log out and log back in the problem resets. Rebooting the
system proves ineffective as well. I have tried various driver
revisions, currently using 1.0.6629-r4, and several different kernels
to no avail. I have tried both enabling and disabling the
RenderAccel option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and that does not appear to
make any difference. Adjusting the NvAGP option does nothing nor
does enabling the Composite option however the system seems more
responsive when the Composite option is enabled. Switching to the
nv driver resolves the problem and the system remains snappy with no
immediate problems. Occasionally I will begin to get artifacts on
the display with the nv driver and then the screen goes entirely white
but switching to the console using ctrl + alt + F1 usually resolves
this problem. I would appreciate any insight anyone could provide
as to what I am overlooking. I have walked through the Gentoo
Nvidia documentation numerous times and I have consulted the README
document included with the nvidia driver. I am completely
stumped. 

Currently I am using 2.6.9-gentoo-r9 for a kernel with the 1.0.6629-r4
version of the nvidia driver. As I said before I have tried
several kernel and driver revisions to no avail. As a sidebar, 3D
performance seems to be as it should be which puzzles me further.
Again, I appreciate any advice anyone may offer.

Please see the following links for the last xorg.conf I tried as well as my kernel config and make.conf

http://pizon.org/xorg.conf
http://pizon.org/kernel-config
http://pizon.org/make.conf


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Any booby-traps with AMD64?

2005-08-27 Thread Greg Bur
On 8/27/05, Alvin A ONeal Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As regarding the partitioning, I would recommend using LVM2. Then no
 matter how you might mess up your partitioning in the beginning you can
 change it to suit your needs by resizing it on the fly - live - without
 rebooting or even unmounting.
 
 Check the official guide as well as gentoo-wiki.com for more about LVM2.

I'll second using LVM2.  I had to read the documentation a couple
times before I got it but it beats the old way of partitioning.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Bur
On 7/23/05, Ian K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,
 I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
 (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
 would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
 really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
 Thanks!

I've always had good luck with cards that use the Orinoco chipset and
the only time I've had to tinder with drivers was when I wanted to get
Kismet working with the card.  You should be able to pick one up for
under $50.  Check out http://www.proxim.com or
http://www.buffalotech.com for more details.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Bur
 
 Just remember, if the laptop isn't going too far, a good length of Ye
 Olde Cat5e is a much cheaper solution.  That being said...

Changes the possible security implications too...

 
 
 Yeah, I picked up a great Orinoco (branded as Enterasys) at
 Rokland.com last month for roughly $50.  Atheros chipset, 802.11a/
 SuperA/b/b+/g/SuperG... very nice.  It works in Windows (with the
 driver CD), Mac OS X (with the shareware OrangeWare driver--totally
 worth the $15 shareware fee) and, naturally, Linux (with MADWIFI).
 It picks up Channels 1 through 14, and can put out up to 100 mW of
 power (40 mW on A networks).

I forgot about Enterasys and Atheros.  The Orinoco-based cards have
power output of around 24mW and the sensitivity is right around -83dB
which I've found works well in most situations.  I usually see about
3.5mbps of throughput when connected at 11mbps.  Could be better but
it gets the job done.  Btw, I think YDI (Terabeam) still sells an
Orinoco-based card.  They've got really good support should you need
it.

 There's no antenna jack, though, but I hear most PCMCIA Orinocoes can
 be modded to include some kind of external jack;  I'm not that
 desperate for power, but with dial-up at home, I might do that mod
 and build a yagi antenna, get in my car, and... well, you get the
 idea. :-)

I've got three or four of the cards back from the days when they were
still made by Lucent and with the proper pigtail you can connect an
external antenna.  In fact I used to use Orinoco PC cards with a PCI
adapter to deliver high-speed access to folks around here and they
worked quite well, then the telco showed up with DSL but that's
another story.  As for the newer cards, I believe the Proxim cards can
be modded by opening the antenna housing on the card to get to the
antenna connector.  If you want to go to an external antenna check
with YDI, I think they still make PC cards with external antenna
connectors.


 Still haven't had any luck with KisMAC (the OS X port of Kismet),
 though.  It finds my card but doesn't detect my wireless network...
 I'll figure it out eventually.

Maybe the drivers don't support monitor mode?  That's what I ran into
with Linux but that was only a kernel patch away and my experience
with KisMAC is exactly zero...



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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Bur
On 7/23/05, Ian K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to set
 up. I dont know what
 chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
 and brand? I really
 just want to be able to goto futureshop and pick one up.. :)
 Thank you for understanding my dumbness. :)
 Ian
 

http://tinyurl.com/9l9wl

That should work well for you ;)  I noticed on a previous page that
they offer an 802.11g card for $30 but I'm not sure about driver
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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Bur
 Unfortunately, neither does anybody else on this list.  This is because
 manufacturers have a habit of changing chipsets without changing model
 numbers.  So lot #1234 can be atheros, while #1235 can be intersil,
 #1236 can be, well you get the picture.
 
 The best is to buy from a store with a liberal return/exchange
 policy...of course it always helps if it says supports linux on the box!
 
 -Richard

This is exactly why I stick with Proxim or Buffalotech, they aren't
the usual moving targets like some other vendors.  It's also nice to
have the ability to pick up the phone and talk to someone about the
product.  They are usually quite willing to help.  Speaking of
companies who are willing to help check out http://www.demarctech.com.
 They post right on their website whether or not a particular card has
Linux drivers available and they cater primarily to small, independent
WISPs.  Good bunch of people to work with.  I hope all of this
information has helped rather than furthered your confusion.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Bur
On 7/24/05, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:44 am, Greg Bur wrote:
 

 The Macintosh-compatible 802.11g card uses the same Broadcom chipset as
 Apple's Airport Extreme products - I know, because I sold three of
 these cards to another Mac-reseller last week. I believe that there are
 no open-source drivers for this chipset, and have seen NDISwrapper
 referred to in many forums articles relating to it.

That answers my question of compatibility. 
 
 This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link points
 to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported Prism
 chipset.

I'm pretty sure it uses a supported chipset but I can't help but
wonder if maybe Buffalo changed horses somewhere along the line and is
now using Broadcom chipsets in all of their PC Cards.

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Re: [gentoo-user] photo management

2005-06-05 Thread Greg Bur
On 6/5/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What do you guys use to manage your digital photos?
 
 - Grant
 
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I use Eye of Gnome most of the time but I also like gThumb and earlier
tonight I found an interesting app called Pornview which seems very
full featured.  All three of these apps integrate well with Gnome
although I'm not sure if Pornview is in portage as I installed it on a
Ubuntu system.

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