Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX responseness (WAS: libGL issues AIGLX slowness)
Be sure DRI is working. use glxinfo if you need to verify if it's active. If you don't have DRI working, then most of the graphics will be done on CPU. Or at least that's how my laptop did it. On 10/29/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/06, Tomáš Bartoň [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 29 October 2006 13:36, Marco Calviani wrote: Hi list, the slowness of AIGLX was due to the fact that i was running xorg-server without enabling the aiglx flag. After having enabled it xorg started running with AIGLX (using compiz or beryl). Although the system is quite usable there is still an issue: i thought the system would have relied completely on video card acceleration. However whenever i run an AIGLX effect such as the cube or just window moving the CPU goes up to 80-90% during all the time the effect is running. This behaviour makes the system A LOT less responsive than it is without AIGLX. Is this a known issue? Thanks a lot, MC I tkink its normal. I run beryl with NVidia driver and when I move a window or something the CPU goes up to 100% ... Hmm, I also have an nvidia GPU, and my system doesn't exhibit this behavior. Of course, I get the black-windows bug due to a memory leak in the drivers, but certainly no excessive CPU usage for any of the beryl effects. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/25/06, Robert Svoboda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-24 11:18]: During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me that it's already running! have you tried ifconfig? that command shows whether your eth0 is up, have IP assigned and other things, post result here if unsure what does dmesg say about your network card? Alright, your original recompile of the kernel fix does work. I just automatically installed the wrong driver. I'm used to hacking my Athlon64 to death, so I installed the forcedeth driver. Wrong! I needed some PCI drivers for 3Com/Linksys PCI cards. My mistake. It works just fine now. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/24/06, Roger Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Weird problem. On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me that it's already running! Have you tried zapping net.eth0 then restarting it? /etc/init.d/net.eth0 zap /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start /etc/init.d/sshd start etc... Well, this is happening all at boot before login, so I want to fix it there so that sshd start at boot so I can hide the server in the garage and administer it remotely. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/24/06, Juan Miguel Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: Weird problem. On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me that it's already running! I tried adding net.eth0 to runlevel boot, boot and default, and then just default, but it still doesn't work. Does anyone know what is going on? This is really confusing me. Hi try to fix in the kernel the module of your net card like * and not like M i think that can be one way I'll go do that once I get home. I hadn't thought of that. Any other possible causes? I mean, if that doesn't work, I may have to take Gentoo off the server and use something else : ( -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
Didn't work. Does anyone know what could be going on? This is really odd... I have this feeling that I'm in way over my head. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
Weird problem. On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me that it's already running! I tried adding net.eth0 to runlevel boot, boot and default, and then just default, but it still doesn't work. Does anyone know what is going on? This is really confusing me. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Scary Paritioning - Need Help
On 10/21/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: · Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm just scared to use it because I don't know how. Read the man page. The easiest usage (and I assume most common) is: I did read the man page. The whole thing. If counfused the heck out of me. I just got so scared I'd start writing over blocks belonging to another partition or something... What I ended up doing was backing up all my data to DVD (something I should do periodically anyways) and then reinstalling the whole OS. Works just fine, and I got rid of a whole mess of junk I installed and then found out that I don't want installed. BTW: One of the most valuable tips already given in this thread was to use EVMS or LVM. With EVMS or LVM, you just don't have problems like this. Next time I'm installing a system I'll look for that. I know LVM is a very powerful tool, but I haven't used it yet. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Scary Paritioning - Need Help
This isn't exactly Gentoo-related, however, you guys tend to be the most command-line savvy group, and this is all about the command line at the moment... I have three partitions on my workstation's hard drive. /dev/sda1 = ntfs (windows) /dev/sda3 = linux-swap /dev/sda4 = ext3 (SuSE 10.1) Where sda2 should be used to be and XFS partition for Kubuntu. My question is thus: how would I tack that free space onto sda4? I don't want to reinstall SuSE if I don't have to. Throwing out an educated guess, do I have to delete sda3, and then make sda4 bigger, leaving enough space for sda5 (linux-swap)? I'm just throwing that idea out there, 'cause I don't know. I'm using a Kubuntu Live-CD, for those who might ask. I considered a Gentoo live-cd, but I couldn't find any copies so I was sort of stuck. Thanks for any help! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Scary Paritioning - Need Help
On 10/19/06, Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Menola wrote: If you delete sda3, sda4 then becomes sda3, Nope. Partitions below 5 are primary partitions. If you delete one of them, nothing changes. Perhaps I undertood OP incorrectly and he wants to move sda4 to sda3. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat /etc/fstab /dev/sda4/ext3 acl,user_xattr1 1 /dev/sda3swap swap defaults 0 0 ### bunch of free space /dev/sda1/media/sda1 ntfs ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 That's what's happening. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 23:04, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:39, Lord Sauron wrote:
$ zgrep IPW2100\\\|IEEE80211 /proc/config.gz
CONFIG_IEEE80211=m
# CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set
CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m
CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m
CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m
# CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC is not set
CONFIG_IPW2100=m
# CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR is not set
# CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set
According to [1] I forgot a few (at least those):
CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m
CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y
CONFIG_CRYPTO=y
CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4=m
CONFIG_CRC32=y
I'll look for those as well.
I tried the first part and it works now. It decided to work as eth1 I
think. No, I need to create the symlink. That's funny, I never
noticed eth0 was a link to net.lo... learn new things every day.
# ln -s /etc/init.d/net.{lo,eth1}
[1] http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/INSTALL
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[gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
They're going to install wireless in my school so I guess I better get this working sometime soon : ) I isolated my problem to this: emerge ipw2100 ties in ieee80211, and that fails to compile because it says that the current kernel cannot have the option IEEE80211 in either module or enabled. It needs it disabled. I tried to use menuconfig and disable it, however, the only way I can do that is by literally disabling ALL networking - drivers and all. Kernel is kernel 2.6.17-gentoo-r8. I'm considering editing the makefile and removing its dependency on that blasted kernel configuration setting! If anyone knows a better/easier way, please help! I read all the docs on ieee80211.sf.net and ipw2100.sf.net but nothing there that I could find helped. Thanks in advance for any help - I really appreciate it! -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpqnQELQjDqd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 21:11, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:00, Lord Sauron wrote: [SNIP] I isolated my problem to this: emerge ipw2100 ties in ieee80211, and that fails to compile because it says that the current kernel cannot have the option IEEE80211 in either module or enabled. It needs it disabled. I tried to use menuconfig and disable it, however, the only way I can do that is by literally disabling ALL networking - drivers and all. Kernel is kernel 2.6.17-gentoo-r8. [SNIP] If anyone knows a better/easier way, please help! [SNIP] As of kernel 2.6.17 ipw2100 has been included in the kernel. Hence you shouldn't install either of net-wireless/ieee80211 or net-wireless/ipw2100. You still need to have net-wireless/ipw2100-firmware emerged though. I believe these are the kernel options you need (it works for me): $ zgrep IPW2100\\\|IEEE80211 /proc/config.gz CONFIG_IEEE80211=m # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC is not set CONFIG_IPW2100=m # CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR is not set # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set The curious thing is that the firmware is installed. I'm trying those exact configuration settings now. I hope that works, otherwise I'm really in for quite a mess! Is it at all possible that the driver is installed and working, and that I don't have whatever it takes to activate and use it? For my wired ethernet card, there's a thing called net.eth0 and all that rot. When I get the wireless driver working, how will I create net.wlan0 or net.eth1 or whatever it is? I've not no experience there, and I've been searching rather diligently for a how-to or instruction set to help me with that. I find it hard to think that something like that will generate itself ex nihlo, to say the least : ) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpd2G9yrGdOW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 21:45, Trenton Adams wrote: You create net.eth0, or whatever, by linking /etc/init.d/net.ethX to /etc/init.d/net.lo The driver will create the actual kernel device name of eth0, ath0, or whatever, and then your link will make it work. Makes sense. How do I do that? I'm a little dense here: how would I do that? Is there some special command? Do I copy the thing and rename it? Do I do the funky Gentoo dance and burn a sacrificial hard drive to the gods of the IBM DeathStar hard drives and hope it'll work in a week? Just kidding about that last one, but I'm know where you're going, just not how to get there ; ) Thanks for your help, by the way - wouldn't have gotten past the funky Gentoo dance w/o you : ) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp6wzeL8py0B.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
Proof: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -nr dhclient ./archival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I have been getting annoyed at dhcpcd, which will take 180 seconds to ping even if there isn't a networking cable in my NIC. I use a laptop, so you can easily speculate how I got so annoyed. I know that Kubuntu had the ability to detect whether there was a cable in my laptop and ping accordingly. I looked at my Kubuntu workstation and found that it's using dhclient. I installed dhcpd on my laptop and tried my best to make it work. I got the following: localhost lsauron # rc-update -s 855resolution | acpid | battery default apache2 | apmd| apmiser| aumix | bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot coldplug | boot consolefont | boot crypto-loop | cupsd | battery default cvsd | dbus| dhcpd|-- I understand this runs a DHCP server, not a client. dhcrelay | distccd| domainname | battery boot default esound | famd| gkrellmd| gpm| hald| default hdapsd|boot default hdparm| hostname|boot hotplug| inetd| keymaps| boot laptop_mode|battery boot default lisa| local|battery default nonetwork localmount|boot modules|boot mysql| net.eth0|battery default net.lo | boot netmount |battery default nscd| numlock| portmap| pwcheck| reslisa| rmologin|boot rsyncd| samba|battery default saslauthd| spamd| splash| sshd| syslog-ng| battery default urandom| boot vixie-cron|battery default xdm | battery default If there's anything wrong there, I'd love to know : ) Also, just as proof that I'm not a total and complete idiot: localhost lsauron # cat /etc/conf.d/net iface_eth0=dhclient iface_eth1=dhclient iface_eth2=dhclient iface_eth3=dhclient iface_eth4=dhclient dhclient_eth0= Once again, if I'm doing anything wrong... please tell me. I did check the gentoo-wiki, and found a most excellent how-to for running dhcpd to make my own dhcp server, however, comcast hates it when people do stuff like that because it compromises their network speed (what's left of it, anyways). I've done my job, and tried my best. I now look to the more wise and experienced to help. Thanks in advance for any insights! (PS: whoever made rc-update, you're a genius! Wish I had it on Kubuntu!) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpofEM5MID8C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Possible new gentoo user
On Sunday 01 October 2006 11:08, Terry Eck wrote: I've been a SuSE user for several years now currently running 10.0. I'm interested in giving gentoo a try with the object of converting from SuSE to gentoo. I've been looking at this list for a couple of weeks and have determined that there may be a steep learning curve on my part converting. Any words of advice on getting up to speed using gentoo before I install it. Thanks for any advice you might be able to give me. Terry Eck -- SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) -- 2.6.13-15.12-default -- Sun 10/01/06 1:00pm up 16:53, 3 users, load average: 0.79, 0.54, 0.37 For your first time I'd highly suggest the graphical installer. It'll save you some time, and while a lot of people correctly point out that it robs you of a great learning experience, it was the only thing that enabled a complete newbie (me) to successfully install gentoo. Once you've got Gentoo installed though... it's almost invulnerable. I've done some really dumb things to my installation, and I've always been able (with a great deal of help from this list) to restore my machine to working order. I also have to say that your memory footprint will get smaller with gentoo. The stuff you compile is much more suited to your setup if you spend the time to tweak your system. It has some excellent tools for administering your system, and I haven't had a stability problem yet (Kubuntu is more error-prone than Gentoo - no joke.) If you're up to the challenge, Gentoo is wonderful. I love it so much I installed it on my server. Also, for a threaded mail client, KMail*, Thunderbird, and even MS Outlook Express have threaded features. If you're interested in GMail, I'd be happy to send you an invite. *Coming from a happy and satisfied (even spoiled) KMail user. Worth a try if nothing else. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpauXUu9SJua.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
On Sunday 01 October 2006 13:48, Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:44:42 -0700 Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proof: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -nr dhclient ./archival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I have been getting annoyed at dhcpcd, which will take 180 seconds to ping even if there isn't a networking cable in my NIC. I use a laptop, so you can easily speculate how I got so annoyed. I know that Kubuntu had the ability to detect whether there was a cable in my laptop and ping accordingly. I looked at my Kubuntu workstation and found that it's using dhclient. I installed dhcpd on my laptop and tried my best to make it work. I got the following: [snip] Well, maybe I just misunderstood you, anyway... You could try pump (the fastest/best dhcp client I know of :-) and ifplug, the latter starts the wired ethernet interfaces when they get a link. Back with DHCPCD, but I haven't unmerged dhclient yet ; ) I'm going to take your word and try ifplug, however, I installed it and it doesn't work. Still pings up /dev/null for all it's doing. I even went to rc-update and had it start at boot, though that didn't work. My guess is that it's trying to use net.lo (the loopback device) and thinks that that's plugged in therefore it tries to ping on everything else. Any suggestions? PPS. The iface_eth interface is completely out of date, take a _very_ good look at `/etc/conf.d/net.example'. I did, I updated it as best I could. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpaqpXJJj26S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:56, Ryan Tandy wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: On Sunday 01 October 2006 13:48, Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: PPS. The iface_eth interface is completely out of date, take a _very_ good look at `/etc/conf.d/net.example'. I did, I updated it as best I could. Well, could we take a look at it? $ grep -v '^#' /etc/conf.d/net modules_eth0=( dhcpcd ) iface_eth0=( dhcpcd ) config_eth0=( dhcp ) Not exactly sure if it's totally right, however, it doesn't give me an error message, though I suspect I'm really close to getting one ; ) Hazarding a guess as to what would get ifplugd to work: modules_eth0=( dhcpcd, ifplug ) # or ifplugd, I don't really know # which Thanks for your time! -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpheBvn69Ofb.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] sys-apps/pam-login blocking sys-apps/shadow
Ultra-quick question: By unmerging pam-login will I be breaking anything? It's preventing a emerge --newuse system (and later a emerge --newuse world) that's I'm preparing to do over the weekend (and to see if I can get distcc working between my server and workstation to support my poor laptop in the task! Wish me luck!) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp1yiWDmNF8z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] sys-apps/pam-login blocking sys-apps/shadow
On Monday 25 September 2006 17:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Tuesday 26 September 2006 02:23, Lord Sauron wrote: Ultra-quick question: By unmerging pam-login will I be breaking anything? you must not log out between unmergin pam-login and emerging shadow. And that has been written douzends of time. Maybe you search the archives next time? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/Archival$ grep -rn pam-login ./cur [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox$ grep -rn pam-login ./cur Hint: you got both the command and the output. Unless I'm doing something wrong, that should be an answer enough for you. (If I am doing something wrong - please tell me! I don't think I'm wrong because the same command for the search the reveals a lot of stuff). And thanks for the tip. I thought that trying to log in after making the switch might be a bad idea, however, I wasn't sure so I asked. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgptp4m7q1SqP.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Custom DNS Servers for DHCPCD
I'm sure this is an easy fix, however, I'm not sure how to do this exactly... Is /var/lib/dhcpc machine generated? I want to set my own custom DNS servers for my server (the ones that the DHCP host gives are wrong and are very slow!) and I have some replacement ones. I think that by setting the DNS servers in the /var/lib/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.info file might change that, however, the file looks machine-generated to me. I looked through the wiki to fix this problem but I didn't find anything that looked like it'd help. Some assistance here would be great. The two DNS servers I need are 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpWSJ7LobdSw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 09:53, Robert Cernansky wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:24:11 -0700 Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth the Lord Sauron: [...] What should I do to fix Emacs? I hear it's a very powerful and [...] Much more confused than before. I get why I'd want to use unicode, but the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup other than mine and they threw me off real quickly. Did you try ran emacs in X also? Is there the same behaviour? In X you can pres Shift + Left mouse click to select fonts. You can also play with locale setting in your system. For example try to start emacs with default/none locale: $ LC_ALL=C emacs To set emacs to use UTF-8 put this into your ~/.emacs file: (setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-clipboard-coding-system 'utf-8) (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) (modify-coding-system-alist 'file 'utf-8) (setq process-coding-system-alist '((.* . utf-8))) (setq x-select-request-type '(UTF8_STRING COMPOUND_TEXT TEXT STRING)) But it should not be necessary if you use some UTF-8 locale in your system (emacs will use UTF-8 by default then). You can also try to change the 'utf-8' string to some other (non utf-8) enconding, for example iso-8859-1. Try to emerge some basic X.Org fonts, for example media-fonts/font-misc-misc. Also emerge media-fonts/intlfonts. I tried that, and emerge --pretend promptly told me that xorg 6.9 or something was blocking virtually everything x-related. It was really weird. It's also blocking xemacs (the package I think will fix this mess). This probably means that I have to go find and fix my package masks. The difficulty there is that there's a ton of junk I'm still using (like Eclipse 3.1) which is masked. I think this is going to end up being a battle between me and portage to sort out my package masks. Is there a untampered copy of packages.mask (or whatever it's called) that I can use to compare with mine to try and fix this mess? -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp35ZssuPswn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT The Real Darkside...
On Saturday 09 September 2006 13:46, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Saturday 9 September 2006 22:12, Daniel Waeber wrote: Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are developed adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data from both OS, she will make an effort to migrate. Let's see . . . hey, that's now Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1] They use the binary Windows drivers for ntfs and simulate the windows kenerl calls. Therefore it is totally save (or at least as save as the m$ driver ;)) I never tried it, becaues I have no ntfs partitions, but it sounds good and its already in the ports-tree. No need for captive anymore, ntfs-g3 is open source, is in portage and works fine. ? I've been using just normal ntfsprogs on my Kubuntu Desktop. That works just fine. It even scans the ntfs drive on boot to clean it (something that is really needed - whoever wrote the ntfs driver for windows needs to be slain with torture for the sloppy job he or she did!) It is a bit annoying to have to wait for it to load as it waits for the scan to finish. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpp8bhXJ3ky5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken
On Saturday 09 September 2006 04:05, darren kirby wrote: quoth the Lord Sauron: snip What should I do to fix Emacs? I hear it's a very powerful and useful editor, and I would like to learn to use it (vi and/or its many variants is next on my list, so no emacs vs. vi wars please) so any assistance would be very helpful. This is but a taste of the pain and suffering you will experience when you use emacs. Just use vim already ;) Seriously though...I am not familiar with emacs but I think your problem may be solved in one of two ways 1. Configure emacs to use us-ascii as the default charset (no idea how). 2. Configure your console to use a unicode charset (see [1]) Just taking a shot in the dark here... Much more confused than before. I get why I'd want to use unicode, but the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup other than mine and they threw me off real quickly. I also spent some time looking through the Gentoo Wiki and found that there's a grand total of one article about emacs. Not much help. I'll keep trying though. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpJTqMG0G1Q9.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken
I can't figure out how to fix this one - NOT for lack of trying, however. I'm slowly trying to become more terminal-friendly and less GUI-dependent. I also keep hearing how Emacs is so cool and powerful and useful and blah. So I decided to try and learn it and see for myself. Installed it on my Kubuntu desktop and it worked fine. On my Gentoo laptop... a whole other story. I have app-editors/emacs v21.4-r4 installed. I don't have xemacs or xemacs-base installed. This is probably applicable, so that's why I'm including it. When I use emacs I see the menus and all things X11, however, the editor shows nothing but those annoying blocks that signify some kind of problem with the font. I tried changing the fontset and stuff, but only succeeded in crashing X twice and then making the boxes smaller or larger and then crashing X. I looked though Portage and by a total miracle found media-fonts/ (was using Kuroo, which organizes things like media/fonts, so I didn't look in media/ for fonts, so I almost missed it). I installed a few fonts that I thought might rectify the situation, however, they didn't. What should I do to fix Emacs? I hear it's a very powerful and useful editor, and I would like to learn to use it (vi and/or its many variants is next on my list, so no emacs vs. vi wars please) so any assistance would be very helpful. Thanks for your time! -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp860nW8wNrs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Why you use Gentoo
On Thursday 07 September 2006 17:31, Chris White wrote: So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you can put community or something if that's all you want. All responses off list please. Thanks. [user] [dev -wannabe] o high level of control o smaller memory footprint (saved my laptop from destruction) o amazingly good community o adequate administrative tools o it just plain old works (unless I do something to it - but that's my own fault) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpbk1uvw4bUW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Nice IDE for development
On Saturday 02 September 2006 07:48, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Remy Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Spagnol Comar wrote: I am changing development from window to linux now, it took a long time but I finally convince my boss to change, what I was holpping to know is if there is any nice development IDE for linux like MS visual studio. I had heard about anjuta, there is something else ? I like Eclipse (use it for Java and Python, I read C/C++ is quite well supported, too), but it's pretty heavy. Ah, if you're looking for an something better than autotools: * http://unitool.metux.de/ * http://treebuild.metux.de/ Not finished yet, still under heavy development ;-) Another nice one that is very C/C++ centric is KDevelop. It's got good KDE integration (if you're using KDE). It also works well with bash, Python, and PHP stuff I'm told. I've only ever used it for C/C++. For PHP I'd use Quanta+ (another KDE thing - guess what I use ;) I can vouch for Eclipse. I use it daily, and though it is very heavy and can be difficult to use, once you start to get good with it... Wow. However, never underestimate the power of vi/emacs/nano/pico/kate/gedit and a good terminal! (I use Kate and nano, please, no vi vs. emacs wars today please!) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpRcYvjgaPUt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] another openoffice build failure
On Saturday 02 September 2006 14:10, Richard Fish wrote: On 9/2/06, Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 137: realloc: Assertion `new == ptr' failed! Well this looks suspiciously like a hardware problem to me, but it could also be simply running out of memory. Can you try: MAKEOPTS=-j1 emerge --oneshot openoffice A cheap way to get more memory: o wipe a USB key clean (back it up though!) o mkspwap /dev/sda1 or whereever your usb memory stick is o swapon all those commands might not be totally right, but they're a start (it's been a while) You might also want to add a fan to blow on your laptop while the build is running... :-) Something I've been known to do is leave it in the fridge. It works, and that's all the matters, right? Just make sure you don't leave it in there too long next to something that spoils easily. I also find it's somehow good for your battery. I left my cell phone in the fridge overnight once and the battery somehow found itself capable of carrying more load than before. If you don't want to risk it, just plug you pc in and remove the battery before you put it in the fridge. You may want to consider bocking off fan openings to prevent condensation if you're fridge has a habit of nasty condensation. DO NOT STICK IT IN THE FREEZER! That has a tendency to shrink the hardware and make it brittle. I also don't want to find out (even vicariously) what it'll do to a screen. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpabBRBoPCqI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail + Email Client = No way
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 12:09, Bruno Lustosa wrote: Of course, I had Gmail set to delete mail already received via POP, I haven't tried without this set. I have. Same behavior. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp6NbxZxlpl3.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Wireless Card On Laptop - Help Setting Up
My laptop has a wireless card. Wow. Don't die of the shock. I never use it. No, really, I don't. I'm never in a location with wireless access, so I just content myself with a good old fashioned Cat5e cable and call it a day. Now my life has changed. There is a wireless access point in my AP Computer Science class (or so they tell me). It might be time to configure my wireless card (right now it's not configured, so I don't know if it's even in /dev, /proc, or /anything). I know this is sort of dumb, but where would I start? I've never added a whole new device to the system before, though I'd like to learn. The card is: Intel PRO/Wireless (the kind they put in the IBM X40 type 2386-1CU - I don't know anything other than that part of the card's name - I'm sorry.) It worked under Kubuntu, so I know there is a linux driver. Thanks for any help. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpoVz8mR9038.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail + Email Client = No way
On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:54, Mick wrote: On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:37, Samuel Baldwin wrote: For last year or so, I've been using Gmail with Firefox, all in browser, and have wanted to move to a local email client (using Thunderbird or Sylpheed-Claws). Unfortunately, the only time I have had any success with this was with the Windows port of Thunderbird. Assuming that the behaviour of Thunderbird is the same on both OS' then it may have something to do with the default settings (ie. format, locale, etc.) for date/month/year on your display manager? Otherwise, it only grabs about a hundred or so emails at a time, and will never get the latest emails. On a weekend I set up KMail with my GMail account. About 6,000 threads. What I did was set up the account and then enabled interval checking for every minute and then went off and did other things while ignoring KMail. I'd suggest leaving the machine on overnight with KMail using interval checking. Now I'm using KMail and it works really really well. Just to prove the case, have you tried Kmail? I've used both Thunderbird and KMail, and I like KMail better. Thunderbird is supported by the Google how-to section, however, it's really easy to set up in KMail. Just look at the how to setup instructions for Outlook and then just use some common sense and it's really quite easy. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpe5EH8i08IP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with Logitech G7 in Xorg 7.0
On 8/15/06, Jules Colding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've just got myself a new G7 to replace my older MX1000. The problem is that I can't get the G7 to work at all. Xorg does seem to recognize the G7 but I can't get any cursor movement at all. I've tried the evdev and mouse protocols, but to no avail. I am currently running with both mice connected in the hope that the G7 suddenly will work... I've create 010_local.rules as the Advanced Mouse HOWTO explained and otherwise followed the HOWTO to the letter. This is my xorg.conf section: snip Any ideas? Thanks, jules I have a wonderful MX700 (which needs replacing b/c the battery charger is past it's peak - 30 seconds of charge!). The MX700 is very similar. When I finally get to reboot into Linux (I dual boot Kubuntu/Windows on my Athlon 64) I'll send you my xorg.conf so you can see how mine works. I was just thinking of getting the G7 to replace my aging MX700, so I'm very interested to know how well the G7 does or doesn't work with Linux. I'll go and reboot now. Catch 'ya on the flip side. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with Logitech G7 in Xorg 7.0
Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection That is for a Logitech MX700 Cordless USB Optical Mouse. Kubuntu Dapper Drake Xorg 7.0 I hope that helps you. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java apps take longer to load than a... I dont know what.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/06, Ian Kabeary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject kind of says it all, really. With the exception of OpenOffice, pretty much every Java app I start can take like 5-7 minutes to LOAD! Once its up it runs totally up to speed, I had a similar situation a while back. Go to your java control panel and increase the memory to it. That fixed mine. I think you'll also notice a boost in running speed as well. HTH. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE4kvbHcNVi48i054RAkufAJ9u7GZmonIkKt2XQ1kvdo2fe6wevACghBuQ uLYEtKlVLKd+eA/20OAxoAM= =mqig -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java apps take longer to load than a... I dont know what.
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 15:44, Ian Kabeary wrote: What is the name of the executable for the Java Control Panel? Thanks! ~Ian Ah, you're gonna make me boot up my laptop and find out, eh? No problem. I should probably try to make a how-to for this on the Gentoo wiki... what do you think? Is Java's broken-by-default memory management worth it? Here we go: /opt/(JRE/JDK/Whatever)/bin/ControlPanel HTH. pgpPa2dJ1edEk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] IP Masquerading hardware, crossover versus hub
On 8/9/06, THUFIR HAWAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want a setup such as at http://www.fs-security.com/docs/pics/complexnat.png and am reading http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html to that end. However, there are just two machines, the gateway and a secondary. There's also a diagram at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ipmasq-background2.5.html. The gateway (?) is arrakis, the other machine is geidi_prime. Arrakis has a wireless connection, so geidi_prime needs to connect via arrakis for the internet. The two computers will probably be 20+feet apart. Would it make more sense to use a hub or crossover cable? Yes, use a hub. Then when Caladan, Ix, Draconus_IV, Salusa_Secundus, and finally Tleiax enter your network, they too can be connected to the Spacing Guild as well. ; ) Then, if you want various transient satellites (wireless laptops, perhaps) to use wireless, then I'd have a cable from the hub to a wireless hub. Try to keep that wireless access point secured though. It might be better to keep a firewall in between the wireless access point and the rest of your network just to keep things secure. A hardware firewall, of course. I don't place much faith in software ones. But that's your decision. I just said how I'd build a network given that objective of setup. Hope you find something that works! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT logitech mouse recommendation (MX1000 vs G7)
On 7/7/06, Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:19:01 +0200 Daniel Waeber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Gottlieb wrote: Now that I have xorg-7.0-r1 installed, I am planning to upgrade my logitech cordless mouseman optical to one of the new toys, either the MX1000 or the G7. I have read the helpful gentoo-wiki entry. I'm currently using a G7 on my laptop and it works great, all 8 buttons and on-the-fly sensitivity just feel good. Moreover having two battaries is super. But i never tested the MX1000, so i just can say that G7 rocks :) Thanks. That is two strong votes for the G7. That is my planned purchase now. Hold it. I'm a Logitech mouse fanatic. The MX1000 is for users. The G7 is for gamers. The G7 can go either way, though it is targeted for more hardcore gamers. If you want something you *know* will work and can accompany you for many long hours in front of the spreadsheet, the MX 1000 is your mouse. If you demand rediculous accuracy and response times, the G7 is for you. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Things that can be improved
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things can be improved in this wonderful distro. I've got a small list of personal pet peeves as well. However, overall Gentoo is beyond excellent. It also gets the honour of being the Distro I've stuck with the longest. The first thing that I'd change is etc-update or dispatch-conf. I'd suggest to create some kind of tool like dpkg-reconfigure in Debian. More intuitive than reading /etc files and writing them by hand that is more probably to be mistaken when writing. Might want to include parts of dpkg in that tool. No sense in re-inventing the wheel, eh? Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that emerge is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone commits portage with a emerge failure in its code (he forgot a comma !!)... if someone updates portage won't be able to update it again because it will fail ever and ever again... So I suggest to have a backuped emerge script that we are sure that worked (like the last emerge tool that was used), and if the new emerge tool is mistaken (so that user doesn't need to know python) only has to run regenemerge for example, and will have the latest emerge working tool. It wouldn't have gotten off of the guy's test box I'd think. My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic. This NEVER happened in Debian. I also am considering trying to adapt aptitude to Gentoo. I think aptitude is the best thing since... anyways, I love aptitude and want to make it portage-friendly. Just having a command-line package browser like aptitude in Gentoo would be awesome. Now is the time to tell me how incredibly stupid I am for imagining something like that. Otherwise I might just fire up KDevelop, grab a copy of aptitude, and start working. I'm known to do things like that. If I have more ideas I'll tell ya. Same here. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT logitech mouse recommendation (MX1000 vs G7)
On 7/7/06, Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:54:25 -0700 Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, how is the mobility for the G7/MX1000? Do they come with bulky cradles that one would have to carry around? I believe both have a cradle. However, I already own a tiny trivial mouse for trips. The G7/MX1000 would stay in one place (with my external monitor and allegedly-hand-and-wrist-friendly keyboard). The MX1000 has a gigantic bulky cradle like my MX 700. The G7 has interchangable batteries and a base docking station, but that is just a USB extension that houses a much more portable USB reciever like a smaller wireless optical mouse. If you plan on moving around a lot, get the G7. If you're staying put, the MX 1000 will do fine. Both are dang good mice, so you really can't make a *wrong* choice, just one is better than the other for certain needs. That's all. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Things that can be improved
On 7/7/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic. This NEVER happened in Debian. Yeah, emerge should probably start caching this info for faster searches. emerge overall though got a pretty solid speedup in 2.1. I have 2.1 and it does have a slight increase in speed, though nothing compared to debian. I also am considering trying to adapt aptitude to Gentoo. I think aptitude is the best thing since... anyways, I love aptitude and want to make it portage-friendly. Just having a command-line package browser like aptitude in Gentoo would be awesome. Now is the time to tell me how incredibly stupid I am for imagining something like that. Otherwise I might just fire up KDevelop, grab a copy of aptitude, and start working. I'm known to do things like that. Might wanna take a look through the stuff in app-portage/ before you start. I'm a fan of porthole. Kuroo is nice, however, portage still lacks the pure brilliance of aptitude. If you don't know what I'm talking about, get debian (or something debain-based) and screw around with aptitude a bit. The think of how cool it'd be that you could use it over ssh without having to use all the memory for remote desktop. Then notice how fast it is once you get savvy and start to really leverage it. It's a far superior piece of software, and I ended up using it rather than graphical things like Adept, Synaptic, KPackage, and others. It kills both porthole and Kuroo, if that's what you're asking. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Things that can be improved
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lord Sauron wrote: My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic. This NEVER happened in Debian. emerge/portage has lots of room for improvement. Lots of the code is quite messy and it has been largely neglected because most people simply refuse to do much work on such a mess. However, since I've joined the project, I've been doing doing lots of work to clean up this code that most people won't touch. It's getting better, slowly but surely. Yes, it does. However, portage aside, it lacks something like aptitude to really fill in the loose ends. There are so many technical issues that remain to be solved in portage that it's difficult to justify spending time on problems that have already been solved in one way or another. There many tools in existence that already do the search part pretty well. Lots of other things still need fixing... Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really just a load of scripts, then I really would HIGHLY suggest that you consider beginning to make smaller helper applications in C and stuff to speed things up. Right now it does have one thing that I have to say is better than Debian... once you get used to it: package masking. That is something that is really quite nifty that debian lacks, but I wouldn't say is a killer app. I'll be on Gentoo for one reason only: I'm obcessed with learning more about Linux, no matter how much trouble that means I have to get myself into ; ) Perhaps if I ever become good enough at Linux and programming I'll feel brave enough to try and help with the Portage problem... It's definitely a idea I'm beginning to entertain. I may just start looking through the sources. Who knows? With what limited skill I have I may be able to cook up some of those helper applications to speed things up! Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that would be a quotable. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Things that can be improved
On 7/7/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/7/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that would be a quotable. I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) that most of portage is actually implemented in python. The actual merge process is shell script, but things like dependency resolution and so forth should be all python. I don't speak much python. And python is actually pretty quick. Not nearly as fast as C, but easily fast enough for this kind of work. I think you would find the biggest gains would be from using more efficient algorithms and data storage, rather than re-implementing parts in another language. Yeah, you're most likely right. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Things that can be improved
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lord Sauron wrote: On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really just a load of scripts, then I really would HIGHLY suggest that you consider beginning to make smaller helper applications in C and stuff to speed things up. Right now it does have one thing that I have to say is better than Debian... once you get used to it: package masking. I understand that users are frustrated by a perceived lack of performance. However, even though portage performance is far from optimal in many cases, I'm quite satisfied with it's performance levels in most of the ways that I use it. Surely there's lots of room for improvement, but it's difficult to justify spending time on some types of performance enhancements when there are already plenty of things that are completely broken and in need of fixing. Yup. I'm not trying to flame the portage people, just point out that it's not working as well as I know it can. For you it might be fine, however, I'm trying to rough it out on a tiny little IBM X40, which is nitorious for being slow. I'm right now trying to find my way into a dual-core turion, and it's looking like I will be able to, but for now I'm stuck, like it or not. Whether or not you/they fix portage isn't my problem, but it won't be because I didn't say that it couldn't use some work. That is something that is really quite nifty that debian lacks, but I wouldn't say is a killer app. I'll be on Gentoo for one reason only: I'm obcessed with learning more about Linux, no matter how much trouble that means I have to get myself into ; ) Perhaps if I ever become good enough at Linux and programming I'll feel brave enough to try and help with the Portage problem... It's definitely a idea I'm beginning to entertain. I may just start looking through the sources. Who knows? With what limited skill I have I may be able to cook up some of those helper applications to speed things up! Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that would be a quotable. Well, I'm not interested in debating whether or not a particular language is suitable for a particular type of application development. If you don't like Python, there is a package manager named Paludis that is implemented in C++ and is compatible with Portage in some ways. It's not unusable bad, and I have nothing *against* Python. I just don't know it as well as I do things like PHP, C, C++, C# (yes, I do have a MSDN Membership) and other things. That's all. I was really referring to things like bash and tcsh. They shouldn't be used for whole applications. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting my server against an individual
On 7/5/06, Ryan Tandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Susbauer wrote: On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Ryan Tandy wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: If you can, what I'd do is try and get the guy's MAC Address or something and then totally block that off. That's send him away right quickly. I don't know enough to know if that'd be totally possible, but if the guy isn't terribly intelligent, that'll send him packing. net-analyzer/macchanger ;) What's this? Portage on Windows? More just to mention that there is such a thing out there. And if it exists for us, chances are he has a similar tool available. However, if you block his mac without an error message, then he can't know how you're identifying him to block him. He probably won't know what to do, and just might give up then. Worth a try, if nothing else. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting my server against an individual
On 7/5/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: Sorry to be a bit elementary, but if you're not colocating your box, and you don't often use SSH, you might want to consider disabling remote administrative things. Of course - disable everything, that you don't need. ESPECIALLY, if it is reachable over the network. All your Windoze friend will try to do is exploit MySQL to pop a DOS shell into your system. How do you know? I read a hacker article. It was terribly interesting, but nothing I'd actually want to do. I don't think hacking is a worthwhile use of my time, however, since I do aspire to host my own server and website, I decided it would be good to bone up on attack methods a little bit. If you can't disable SSH for some reason, then limit MySQL access to localhost only. I'd even suggest to make MySQL skip-networking. If that's set in my.cnf, MySQL won't be available via TCP over a network and can only be reached over a Unix socket. Maybe that's what you meant, but I just fealt like adding that :) I'm no pro, but that works. I don't have a lot of experience, so I oftentimes just end up speculating on a bunch of educated guesses. If you can, what I'd do is try and get the guy's MAC Address or something and then totally block that off. How should *THAT* help? In 99.999% of the times, the attacker won't be on the same subnet, and thus the MAC isn't available. Couldn't hurt. You never know what you'll find when you tear apart some networking packets. I was so alarmed at what I found that I quit doing it altogether. Ignorance is bliss, I decided. No, I won't say what I found for reasons of protecting the egos of innocent people. You can try to block me, my MAC will be either 00:12:17:D4:21:D4 or 00:12:17:D4:21:D2. Just tell me, where you blocked me using my MAC and I'll see if I can still access. I'll try it someday when I can figure out enough about linux networking to do something like that. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting my server against an individual
Sorry to be a bit elementary, but if you're not colocating your box, and you don't often use SSH, you might want to consider disabling remote administrative things. All your Windoze friend will try to do is exploit MySQL to pop a DOS shell into your system. It's an older trick, however, it works marvelously. Coax SQL into leaving a DOS shell in your web directory, then you have total control. I haven't personally had any experience with it (never bothered to try and hack - not exciting or rewarding) but I did read a hacker paper which outlined that tactic. If you can't disable SSH for some reason, then limit MySQL access to localhost only. You'd have to use SSH/RDesktop to mess with your database, but I think that would close down a very big part of the Windoze zombie's main attack route. Also watch out for denial-of-service attacks. There's been a lot of those problem in the Silicon Valley Linux Users' Group, which I am a member of. Also, are you sure you're working with a real hacker. I met a real hacker at school once, and even with physical access to my laptop he couldn't crack it. Dumb Windows slave... Nonetheless, if you use PHP, you should also be extra-careful to strip potentially malicious things from web submit forms. If you can, what I'd do is try and get the guy's MAC Address or something and then totally block that off. That's send him away right quickly. I don't know enough to know if that'd be totally possible, but if the guy isn't terribly intelligent, that'll send him packing. Hope I could be of help there! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Null Modem Cables Between Windoze XP and Linux
On 6/25/06, Josh Helmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 24 June 2006 12:49 pm, Lord Sauron wrote: I honestly am harbouring delusions of using the faster null modem stuff to directly sync my laptop with a future Linux CVS/Web server, so that I can have a update of the whole smash in my laptop once a day, rather than waiting for a slow internet connection remotely. It's just an idea I'm playing around with, and playing around is good (99% of the time, anyways). I used to setup linux-based embedded systems running agetty on the serial port. That allowed us to connect to the machine with just a null-modem cable (Windows client using hyperterm usually) and login directly if the network went screwy. The thing I remember most about the whole process was that running over a serial connection was slow as molasses. You need to set a baud rate on the line (the server and client must agree on the rate) and you basically get dial-up speeds. If there is a way to coax 2Mb/s out of the thing I never found it. I have it on extremely good authority that it goes 2MB/sec. If you are looking for a linux client, look for a program called kermit. It's been at least 5 years since I last used it, but I believe that is what we used to use. I'll start looking for Kermit now. Thanks. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Null Modem Cables Between Windoze XP and Linux
I dug out of this ancient computer book (Upgrading and Repairing PCs 12th Ed.) this relic technology of the Null Modem Cable. It's a twisted Parallel Cable that allows 2 PCs to almost literally talk to each other. So, I found in the depths of some old computer hardware box this old Symantec null modem cable, plugged it between my X40 and XP Desktop, and hoped for the best. I was able to configure XP as the host with no difficulties, however, I'm not sure what to do about Linux. I'm looking though Kuroo for things about Null Modems, but I'd imagine there's a more command-line friendly way to do this, since I am very much pro-command line. I know there's always a way to dump commands into LPT1 and pray it doesn't call the NSA, but I think there's a more elegant way to do this. The reason why I decided to play with this relic of computer communications technology was because it said that it had the capacity to run at 2MB/sec, which is faster than my networking... or at least faster than my networking behaves. I want to shell out about $50 and get some gigabit ethernet junk from Frys one of these days, (I can roll my own Cat5e, so it's not a difficult thing) but I just wanted to test out this null modem stuff. I honestly am harbouring delusions of using the faster null modem stuff to directly sync my laptop with a future Linux CVS/Web server, so that I can have a update of the whole smash in my laptop once a day, rather than waiting for a slow internet connection remotely. It's just an idea I'm playing around with, and playing around is good (99% of the time, anyways). Thanks for any suggestions of where to start looking. I'll also be grepping (sorry, googling) through the Gentoo Wiki, however I don't expect I'd find anything in there, at least directly related. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64bit vs 32bit
On 6/16/06, Catalin Trifu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am planning to buy a new machine and lately I was thinking about a AMD64 X2 4800+ 2GB RAM. Is it worth to install 64bit linux or should I go for 32. As I have read there are issues with video stuff, flash player. This machine is for work and entertainment. I don't like the idea of a 32bit chroot if it's too much of a hassle to set it up. Just from the technical side of things, AMD64 architecture is fully compatible with 32-bit applications. You can install a 32-bit app in a 64-bit OS (but not the other way around : ( I'd suggest the amd64 OS, though if you can't decide, I'd just throw in the towel and dual-boot. Also, using a 64-bit app is only going to get you about a ten percent performance increase, according to benchmarking studies of people with more money than I have. It's ultimately up to you, but if I were you, I'd take the adventurous route and go 64-bit - just for the heck of it. However, I don't know enough about your wants and needs to be able to reccommend something like that. Do what you want: that's the entire point. I can only supply information, not make the choice for you (unless you'd like me to, but I can't guarantee that I can help if something goes wrong). -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] distcc on cygwin
Hi, As you may remember, my laptop isn't the fastest lump of silicon around. My desktop (aka my baby) is almost 3x faster, perhaps more. I installed Cygwin on it (it runs Windows XP) so I could leverage distcc to be able to make the upgrade from KDE 3.4 to 3.5 over night instead of over the course of a month, as it would take compiling from only my laptop. That's what led me to accidentally uninstall GCC that time. Now I know about gcc-config, and I'm safely now running gcc-3.4.4 on both Cygwin and Gentoo. I should be set, right? I started distccd with -a 192.168.1.102 or whatever my laptop was at that time, and then let her rip... only to find a compilation error after a little while (maybe ten compiles, perhaps twenty - they went at least 8x faster than on my laptop though!). I just wanted to check and ask if there are any things that anyone thinks I might have missed. I'm not sure the GCC settings were right. localhost lsauron # gcc-config -l [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 * [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopie [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopiessp [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednossp [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-vanilla [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 [7] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardened [8] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednopie [9] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednopiessp [10] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednossp The asterisk denotes the config that is active. However, I'm not sure which config I need to be using to be compatible with Cygwin. There isn't (to my knowledge) a gcc-config tool on Cygwin, so I can't even check by myself. I thought I'd ask before diving through the Gentoo-Wiki, then Google, then despair ; ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: distcc on cygwin
Oh dear! I just found http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Distcc_server_on_Windows, and that's a long list of things to do. I had no clue it was so... involving. Expect to hear from me *much* later on this problem. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge broken - libstdc++.so.5
On 6/5/06, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/5/06, leszek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many things in life this pain seems to be somewhat self inflicted, I suppose. More into. After emerging gcc-3.4.6 I had troubles with the gcc-config stuff so I removed gcc-3.3.6. However it appears that removing 3.3.6 removed libstdc++ also. I updated slocate's database and saw that the only libraries with that name are gone now: the solution to your problem is here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Recover_from_%22emerge_--unmerge_gcc%22 and you can add yourself to the wall of shame too ;) I found a friend? Hi, For a few moments I thought this might be the problem, and I though I might end up on the Wall of Shame (tm) but in fact this doesn't solve my problem since it doesn't install libstdc++.so.5 dragonfly ~ # gcc-config -l [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 * [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardened [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopie [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopiessp [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednossp [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 [7] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardened [8] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednopie [9] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednopiessp [10] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6-hardenednossp dragonfly ~ # source /etc/profile dragonfly ~ # updatedb dragonfly ~ # slocate libstdc++.so.5 dragonfly ~ # dragonfly ~ # eix libstd eix: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory dragonfly ~ # Do I need to do the same tar install of libstdc++ from the website listed in the Gentoo Wiki you pointed me at? On my AMD64 machine I can see where this comes from: lightning ~ # equery belongs /usr/lib64/libstdc++-v3/libstdc++.so.5 [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib64/libstdc++-v3/libstdc++.so.5 in *... ] sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4 (/usr/lib64/libstdc++-v3/libstdc++.so.5 - libstdc++.so.5.0.6) lightning ~ # But python won't run any of this stuff on this machine since it cannot get this library. What am I not understanding? Seems like maybe I need to go back to an install CD and get something but not sure what. On 5/31/06, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I keep binaries for all major/critical packages of my system - gcc,glibc But their usage depends on processor family, USE flags for gcc etc. Will put a binary tarball of gcc-3.4.6-r1 (gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2)-25MB. CFLAGS=-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1 USE=boundschecking fortran gcj gtk nls objc -bootstrap -build -doc -hardened -ip28 -multislot -nocxx -nopie -nossp -vanilla Place: ftp.qrypto.org PS: to install put it in / (root dir), tar xjvf gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2 (ignore last massages). Then if lucky remerge any GCC you want. HTH.Rumen That's the file you need in order to save yourself. Then follow the instructions on http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Recover_from_%22emerge_--unmerge_gcc%22 -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox 1.5 CPU usage - is it normal?
On 6/5/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try with a new profile ? $ firefox -ProfileManager Yes. Same issues. I also reinstalled Flash plugin and I noticed that flash playback is horribly slow and also eats CPU. Do you have smooth scrolling turned on? When I had that on it just tore through whatever remaining CPU I had left like oil refinery on fire because it was re-rendering everything so darn often. On my machine, that was such excrutiating torture... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge broken - libstdc++.so.5
On 6/5/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys !! The only way to understand and learn is TO BREAK IT sometime xD. I wanna say that about half my knowledge I get from fixing things that have gone wrong... okay, things that have gone wrong because of a misintended command from me. So, do I get a friend on the wall of shame? Or are we in denial? ; ) Great to hear you got it working. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
Just to close this all up on a funny note, look at this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Recover_from_%22emerge_--unmerge_gcc%22#.22I_Did_This.22_Wall_of_Shame -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
I fixed it. Thank God that's over... it was good to go back to the command line a bit for me. Keeps me sharp... even despite the huge allergies I'm experiencing right now. I've also added a note in my notes files to NEVER run anything like emerge --unmerge gcc ever again. That was a huge mistake. Rather, I've found through this experience gcc-config. Never knew that was there... much to my misfortune. Thanks a lot for your help - Without you I'd have to reinstall, since I'm not skilled enough to brave the world of a live-cd and chroot (I think) into my drive to then install gcc. At least, that's what I think my next best option was... I'm not at all familiar with chroot though, so all I can do is speculate. I think I'll go read its man page now in celebration of the restoration of my system. Also, right before I killed my system, I made something, a very very elementary bash script (my first bash script - yay!) to toggle distcc on and off. It's NOT terribly advanced, but it's a start... here it is: localhost ~ # cat /bin/ch_distcc #!/bin/bash # alternates between using make.conf and make.conf.other # in other words, toggles between using distcc or not # this should be where your make.conf lives. MAKE_DIR=/etc/; mv $MAKE_DIRmake.conf $MAKE_DIRbuffer mv $MAKE_DIRmake.conf.other $MAKE_DIRmake.conf mv $MAKE_DIRbuffer $MAKE_DIRmake.conf.other I know it's not terribly good, it assumes that make.conf and make.conf.other are exactly the same - except for the distcc part in FEATURES=. But hey, it's something I can work on while chipping my way through a excellent reference on bash I found and downloaded. Thanks again for your help! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 6/1/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently changed mine to this: # FEATURES are settings that affect the functionality of portage. Most of # these settings are for developer use, but some are available to non- # developers as well. 'buildpkg' is an always-on setting for the emerge # flag of the same name. It causes binary packages to be created of all # packages that are merged. FEATURES=buildpkg ccache sandbox It sort of helps me in case I screw up. It happens sometimes, usually when we least expect it too. I'll have to look into that. It's options like those that mean I really need to work more on my distcc toggle command. It's not used to much other than what I already built into it. I would have made it more complex, however, I don't know enough bash yet to do that. Glad you got it working. So am I. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
This is - for me - an emergency. No pun intended. I had to get rid of all gcc versions 3.4.5 and greater to work with gcc in Cygwin on my desktop to speed up the emerge of KDE 3.5 such that I wouldn't finish when KDE 4.0 was released. I gave it some pretty explicit instructions AFTER emerging gcc-3.4.4-r1. emerge --unmerge gcc-3.4.5 gcc-3.4.5-r1 (the only two greater that 3.4.4 that I had installed). For reasons that I can't fathom, gcc, is now gone. Totally. Completely. Not there. I know some of you are going to be laughing your heads off at what can only be a gigantic error in syntaxing my command to emerge, however, I don't find it at all funny. I can't start KDE, I can't emerge gcc to fix the problem, I can't eix gcc to see what versions of gcc are still there, and other things. To me it looks like Python is totally broken. It keeps asking for libstdc++.so.6, which apparently no longer exists. I'm totally and completely devoid of all ideas to fix this problem. My best idea has been to try and distcc with my desktop a version of gcc, however, if even emerge --search won't work, I'm willing to bet that adding FEATURES=distcc to my make.conf won't do much more than make a minor footnote in the list of problems I face. I'm pretty much scared of having to either 1) reinstall Gentoo or 2) go back to Kubuntu, so help here would be beyond excellent. I'm not sure how violate an idea this is, but I think it might (some gigantic emphasis on the might part) be possible to take another generic i386/i686 copy of libstdc++.so.6 and paste it into where it's needed. I think this might fix the problem so that I can the get emerge to work enough to distcc my way into patching up my critically wounded system. Before anyone makes me confess, YES! I KILLED MY SYSTEM! However, I have to defend my pride in saying it wasn't something dumb like blindly following some rm -r command from some website. Any help here would be just great. Thanks for any help you can give in advance. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 04:28:45PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: This is - for me - an emergency. No pun intended. I had to get rid of all gcc versions 3.4.5 and greater to work with gcc in Cygwin on my desktop to speed up the emerge of KDE 3.5 such that I wouldn't finish when KDE 4.0 was released. I gave it some pretty explicit instructions AFTER emerging gcc-3.4.4-r1. emerge --unmerge gcc-3.4.5 gcc-3.4.5-r1 (the only two greater that 3.4.4 that I had installed). For reasons that I can't fathom, gcc, is now gone. Totally. Completely. Not there. Couple of things first. Does 'gcc-config -l' show anything (ie: a list of compilers still installed). Secondly, you can relatively easily No, I must miserably admit that it does not list anything. restore a gcc by creating a binary package from another gentoo server (I forget the exact steps for this, basically you can dump all the files provided by an ebuild into a binary that you can install by simply untarring it in your /) or use the binary package that is on one of the install/complete CDs. Is there a manual? This wouldn't have anything to do with GRP, would it? I'm just throwing that out there as a guess since I think it was GRP that installed Gentoo without compiling, something that saved me s much time when installing. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I keep binaries for all major/critical packages of my system - gcc,glibc But their usage depends on processor family, USE flags for gcc etc. Will put a binary tarball of gcc-3.4.6-r1 (gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2)-25MB. CFLAGS=-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1 USE=boundschecking fortran gcj gtk nls objc -bootstrap -build -doc -hardened -ip28 -multislot -nocxx -nopie -nossp -vanilla Place: ftp.qrypto.org PS: to install put it in / (root dir), tar xjvf gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2 (ignore last massages). Then if lucky remerge any GCC you want. HTH.Rumen So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? That's significantly less painful than I was expecting this to be. I'm working on that now. I'm downloading it, and then I'll be putting it to a USB drive to then migrate to the afflicted machine (I'm not pro enough to know how to download something without the crux of a GUI - sorry, it's the horrible truth.) Thanks a million for the help. I was really making some great progress as far as learning more and more about Gentoo and linux in general, and it'd be a shame to waste time on reinstalling because I was a dork and did something stupid like killing gcc. I should be able to say whether your steps worked within an hour or so. Thanks again. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Justin R Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:23:48PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? No. [EMAIL PROTECTED] # cp gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages [EMAIL PROTECTED] # emerge -k =gcc-3.4.5-r1 Oh. Not /usr/portage/distfiles or whatever? Oh, yeah, distfiles is for the sources, right... My download is still at 4%, so this could take a while ; ) Not anywhere near as long as compiling without a compiler though. And make sure PKGDIR is set to /usr/portage/packages in your /etc/make.conf. I'll check that out. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/06, Justin R Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:23:48PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? No. [EMAIL PROTECTED] # cp gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages [EMAIL PROTECTED] # emerge -k =gcc-3.4.5-r1 Oh. Not /usr/portage/distfiles or whatever? Oh, yeah, distfiles is for the sources, right... My download is still at 4%, so this could take a while ; ) Not anywhere near as long as compiling without a compiler though. And make sure PKGDIR is set to /usr/portage/packages in your /etc/make.conf. I'll check that out. A little bit more help here is needed. You know you're in trouble when man make.conf gives an error code. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lcd console fonts
On 5/30/06, maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi group, The console fonts in my new LCD monitor are H-U-G-E. Attempts to shrink them by adding vga=xxx at the grub prompt after the kernel line has no effect. Here's the entire grub session: I'm not exactly sure, however, I'm making my best educated guess at this. grub root (hd0,1) grub kernel /vmlinuz vga=794 #1280x1024(so I'm told) Mine looks like video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED], and so on. I'd think that vga=794:1280x1024 or something might work. However, I wouldn't know for sure. I'm interested to learn what is the correct solution though - It'll be neat to see more of how grub behaves. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lcd console fonts
On 5/30/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/30/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/30/06, maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi group, The console fonts in my new LCD monitor are H-U-G-E. Attempts to shrink them by adding vga=xxx at the grub prompt after the kernel line has no effect. Here's the entire grub session: I'm not exactly sure, however, I'm making my best educated guess at this. grub root (hd0,1) grub kernel /vmlinuz vga=794 #1280x1024(so I'm told) Mine looks like video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED], and so on. I'd think that vga=794:1280x1024 or something might work. However, I wouldn't know for sure. I'm interested to learn what is the correct solution though - It'll be neat to see more of how grub behaves. If you compiled your kernel with framebuffer support, either using vesafb or vesa-tng, you'll have to tell the bootloader to instruct the kernel on dealing with your display. Check: I was closer than I was far, right? Just that I'm getting better is a good sign. Four months ago I would have no clue whatsoever, so as far as I'm concerned improvement is good. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#What_is_a_Frame_Buffer_Device.3F for a complete guide. I'll be looking at that. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/28/06, Thomas Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On May 27 11:29, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you. I've been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good. I have a feeling that, given people who extensively discuss the merits of esearch vs. eix, you're not going to convince them to use a portage frontend ;) Just trying to change the subject before the debate becomes a flame war. (PS - eix all the way - it also has customizable formatting and more powerful expressions) I don't care, so long as it works. Right now for small jobs eix seems to work, and so be it! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/28/06, Thomas Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On May 25 21:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: I'm learning Gentoo as fast and as much as I can! Cool! I hope you like it as much as the others here - it's a great system for a lot of uses. It's really nice. I like it a lot, however, I still think I need to find a way to use distcc with my faster windows box - compiling stuff on a pentium-m is excrutiatingly painful! Yeah, Gentoo's worderful, just a little difficult to use at times if you're not a seasoned Linux guru. I've fixed many problems by myself that you haven't heard about because I managed to fix them myself. I'm not as idiotic as some, but I'm not at all familiar with portage and that's why I'm asking: I'm a hardened apt-get veteran, but with portage I'm still learning, which is why I ask. I wasn't trying to be rude, and you're certainly not idiotic - I just think it's to everyone's benefit to read the docs. Gentoo has very good documentation. I just seem to find them hard to find! Look carefully for a link on the Gentoo home page to the (excellent) Gentoo Wiki. Not there - at least that I can find. Gentoo's got some great docs... just a little hard to find 'em. That's all. And trust me, I read many man pages before firing off this email. I did my homework ; ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
To clear this up, I will send the .tar.gz file to anyone who asks for it. Just beware: it's over 20 megs, so I'm going to have to slice it into many files so that you can re-assemble it. My email won't send over ten megs. But if you're having trouble, I'll send it. Just contact me (preferably off-list - we don't need to clog up everyone's inbox all at the same time, I don't think). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/27/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday 27 May 2006 13:42 skrev Iain Buchanan: I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me... It's not the esearch binary versus the eix binary where there is a big difference. It's eupdatedb which takes a very long time compared to update-eix. Is this getting to the point of ferocity of the legendary emacs vs. vi wars I've heard so much about? At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you. I've been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good. http://kuroo.org/ app-portage/kuroo -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/25/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 18:20 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: Anyway, the OP is using genkernel (wether it likes/knows it or not)... This doesn't look like genkernel: It doesn't have to look, he used the Gentoo installer, and so, it IS GENKERNEL. It's not genkernel. I don't use genkernel. I do *not* like genkernel. I loaded the configuration file from my old kernel and then just make make install to use genkernel, you have to call genkernel. If he's typing make make install, then he's just using the plain old kernel makefile. That if you do a manual install, the installer use it, or better, if you choose it will use the same kernel as the livecd, that is, voilá, genkernel. Try it, its pretty cool. Most settings from the original install are gone because I'm pretty nuts about customizing things. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/26/06, leszek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but what is RSYNC? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync basically, portage use rsync to update the information on packages (ebuilds) in /usr/portage (with emerge --sync) If anything, this is a indicator that I need to try and contribute to the portage project... at least contribute as much as I'm able. you should try the ~x86 version of portage which has many improvements: $ echo sys-apps/portage ~x86 /etc/portage/package.use $ emerge portage Just a question, but there's got to be a reason why it's still in ~x86. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
On 5/26/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is official. http://picasa.google.com/linux/ It installs and runs well with Gentoo. Yay! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol Milky Way galaxy, Orion arm, c. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
On 5/26/06, Ptitjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JimD a gentiment tapote: It is official. http://picasa.google.com/linux/ It installs and runs well with Gentoo. Jim Hi, 404 Error Not found ! Worked just fine for me... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
I think I may have made a break through here! I've always noticed that everything portage is very slow. It's like it's having to un-tar and un-bzip everything all the time... lo and behold, it is. I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 This has - to the best of my knowledge - all the ebuild headers or whatever for everything. I know I can un-tar this and all, however, I want portage to use it in its uncompressed state, just to speed things up. I'm not burning for hard drive space, so a little more speed would be great. However, I have no idea where to start to try and configure portage to reflect a change like this. I've read the man pages for ebuild and emerge several times over without finding any hints, so I was thinking someone on this list would know. I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as well. I think this is the cause of a slow portage because everything takes a long time to start going, then it's just fine. It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my old kernel and then just make make install and it worked! I didn't even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Dang... I got done and said that was easy. I think I'm really getting the hang of all this! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On May 25 11:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 This is just a remnant from when you installed Gentoo. You can delete that file. Portage is already using uncompressed files under /usr/portage - that tarball is just a starter tarball that portage bootstraps itself with during the initial Gentoo installation. That's curious. So I can delete this tarball then? I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as well. I've never seen a metadata tarball. metadata.xml is something portage keeps uncompressed in /usr/portage for every package. I've got one on my hard drive. You can have it if you want ; ) It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! I think so ;) If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less time to work with. I don't think it should be this slow. I'm not even talking about compile-times - I know and expect those to be slow, but just raw package searching and stuff is not that fast. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
sorry for my sin. I didn't know about eix. On 5/25/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday 26 May 2006 01:00 skrev Lord Sauron: If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less time to work with. I don't think it should be this slow. I'm not even talking about compile-times - I know and expect those to be slow, but just raw package searching and stuff is not that fast. Do like the rest of us. emerge eix and use that for searching. Make sure to run update-eix everytime you have sync'ed portage or better yet, use eix-sync to sync portage. -- Bo Andresen -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:00 -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! I think so ;) If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less time to work with. In defence of portage, I estimate there are 11229 packages that portage has to search through descriptions, dependencies, masks, etc: apt-get (as of Debian 3.1 Sarge) searches 33,333 seperate packages or so. $ cd /usr/portage; find . -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 1 -type d | wc -l 11229 does apt-get really search this many packages? It does more. I don't think it should be this slow. And I don't think I should have this little money :) But seriously, I think you trade off speed when searching, vs speed when syncing, vs keeping a database up to date. As already mentioned, there are other tools to help speed it up. Yeah, well... apt-get was faster on the sync and on the search. It's not fair to compare installation times, but it was also faster on calculating the dependencies. If anything, this is a indicator that I need to try and contribute to the portage project... at least contribute as much as I'm able. Also, On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 11:45 -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my old kernel and then just make make install and it worked! I didn't even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Are you sure you're running it if you didn't have to edit grub? Does `uname -r` agree with the new version you just installed? I went through dmesg and stuff and I'm totally positive. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/25/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 Simply a portage snapshot, maybe the one you used to install Gentoo in the first place? Take a look at the date and tell me I'm wrong. Okay, the date is when I installed Gentoo. You're right. This has - to the best of my knowledge - all the ebuild headers or whatever for everything. I know I can un-tar this and all, however, I want portage to use it in its uncompressed state, just to speed things up. I'm not burning for hard drive space, so a little more speed would be great. Of course, it is a portage snapshot, it has a whole compressed portage tree, used to install, or update portage when using alternative methods for those (like me) that lack the capacity to use remote RSYNC. Forgive my ignorance, but what is RSYNC? However, I have no idea where to start to try and configure portage to reflect a change like this. I've read the man pages for ebuild and emerge several times over without finding any hints, so I was thinking someone on this list would know. There's no change and there's no such feature. If you take a look at /usr/portage, you'll notice that is has all portage related stuff there, a snapshot is decompressed there when you install (correct me if I'm wrong, but you installed using the Gentoo Installer, didn't you? if you had a complete experience of Gentoo install, you would know that by now, that's why I strongly advice new users to AVOID THE INSTALLER). If you sync once in a while, it is updated. Portage is not kept compressed. Yeah, well this new Gentoo user wouldn't have gotten past partitioning my hard drive without the installer. I know it does let less experience people - like myself - into the community of vastly more experienced Gentoo users, however, I also think it's been a great tool for learning more about Linux. I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as well. Oh, this one was a good choice, metadata is used by portage, but if you take a look at /usr/portage/metadata, it is uncompressed there too, and that is what portage uses. So any portage slowness now is just because... yeah, I really should look into this, because I see no reason why portage should be running as slow as it is. I think this is the cause of a slow portage because everything takes a long time to start going, then it's just fine. It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! But it is. That's because of caching, not because it uncompress everything every time and compress it again later, that would be stupid (forgive my language). I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my old kernel and then just make make install and it worked! I didn't even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Dang... I got done and said that was easy. I think I'm really getting the hang of all this! You have run an emerge -u world and it got the kernel sources, you have no special needs and so the default configuration fit your need, compiling kernels is EASY, making them work, that's a hard one. It booted, so I'm perfectly happy. It's spitting out coldplug errors right now, so I'm going to be hammering out some more settings, but it still boots and runs just fine, so I can't complain. You sincerely must be booting from your old kernel and your /usr/src/linux link must be pointing at your old sources, else you would have some problems and probably would have to recompile, reconfigure some stuff, because after make and all, you should copy the image to /boot and, if necessary, change the grub.conf (menu.lst) to point at the right file. I ran make make install. I'm absolutely positive I'm running the new kernel because I've looked in /boot and it's there, and I've looked to check which kernel is actually running and it's the new one. The symlink in /usr/src is still pointing to the old kernel because I haven't bothered to change that yet, but I'll do it very soon. Especially since I gave in and unmasked YaKuake. I love Yakuake! See the Kernel upgrade guide at Gentoo.org for more info. I think I got it right the first time, which is ample reason for celebration as far as I'm concerned. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On May 25 16:44, Daniel da Veiga (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: (correct me if I'm wrong, but you installed using the Gentoo Installer, didn't you? if you had a complete experience of Gentoo install, you would know that by now, that's why I strongly advice new users to AVOID THE INSTALLER) Good point, Daniel. I totally forgot about the installer because I've never even looked at it, but you're right - the only way someone could miss that is if they used the installer or if someone else installed Gentoo for them. That said, I must reiterate the sentiment - avoid the installer like the plague. (Sorry, installer project folks. I just don't agree with it.) To the original poster, and to anyone else who has used the installer, please do the list and yourselves a favor - read the guides, learn your system. I don't mean this to be rude in any way, but you'll get much more benefit out of Gentoo that way. I'm learning Gentoo as fast and as much as I can! I've fixed many problems by myself that you haven't heard about because I managed to fix them myself. I'm not as idiotic as some, but I'm not at all familiar with portage and that's why I'm asking: I'm a hardened apt-get veteran, but with portage I'm still learning, which is why I ask. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CD-ROM Isn't In fstab - don't know how to add it
On 5/22/06, Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A line in /etc/fstab like this: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,ro0 0 Should let access the cd/dvd: (root) # mount /mnt/cdrom (root) # ls /mnt/cdrom If you want users other than root to be able to mount it change 'noauto,ro' to 'noauto,user,ro'. Thanks! That's all the information I needed. I could have guessed about the /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom parts, however, I'd have never figured out the auto noauto,user,ro part. Thanks! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] CD-ROM Isn't In fstab - don't know how to add it
I decided I needed major help with this one - in other words, a walk-through. I was working and shoved a CD into my laptop as I do every once in a while (not that often - I'm happy to use the network 99.999% of the time). Well, I stuck it in, and there wasn't any automounter action that I could see, so I wisely (for me, at least) went to fstab to find this: localhost ~ # cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda1/boot ext2defaults1 2 /dev/hda2noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda3/ ext3defaults0 1 none/proc procdefaults 0 0 none/dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfatnoauto,async,user,exec 0 0 My CD drive wasn't listed. Big surprise. To be more specific about the hardware I'm using, I'm using a CD RW/DVD-ROM drive in the docking station to my X40. Here's all the relevant entries from /dev that could help. Oops... tried cat /dev/dvd... didn't work too well. Started reading the *whole* contents of the CD. Gotta remember that next time... Well, now it complains that no medium is found. However, it looks like it's listed as /dev/hdc in addition to what I assume are aliases as /dev/dvd, /dev/cdrom, and /dev/cdrw. Sorry I can't be more precise, but I'd like some help with sticking this in fstab so that I can mount the disk and then use it. I'm so darn inexperienced with this. There isn't anything from /etc/mtab that could help, either: localhost etc # cat mtab /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw,nosuid 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 cachedir /lib/splash/cache tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,devmode=0664,devgid=85 0 0 I'm flummoxed. I don't even know where to begin, since anything I can try and Google will most likely not be for my system. Any help or pointers? -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 16 May 2006 15:25:58 -0500, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I love YaKuake. It's better than Kuake in that it's just Konsole on a miniblinds widget. It's superior because of its ultra-accessibility. Anywhere you can just hit your key combination and *pop* there's trusty old YaKuake. It supports multiple console tabs, which is almost a total necessity in my point of view. Just a little info you might like if you are a keycombo fan. Get xbindkeys and call any app with your own keycombos. Its on portage. However, the cool thing with yakuake is that it hides. It's not in the system tray, it's persistent, and out of the way. I've been able to type commands and stuff from internet sites into YaKuake without having to mess with windows sizes. It's really quite nice. You'll need to start it with X in whatever way your x allows one to do that. One problem can be setting combos that kde or whatever wants. Yah, I'm trying to beat KDE into letting Kompose handle alt+tab commands, but it's not going so well. I may have to hack, which will be fun, but I'm hoping I won't have to. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/16/06, Daniel Waeber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:56:46PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: I also looked for a drop-down term. Couldn't find one that I really liked, so just made a wrapper myself for aterm in fvwm using a borderless window, key binding for focus and shading, and EdgeCommand. It is quite convenient. What do you guys mean by `drop-down'? Do you play FPS? Think how in many of those games you can hit ~ to bring down a console that convers half the screen... The basic idea (for me, at least) is a terminal window that is sticky (so persists between desktops) and, normally, is shaded. It should be able to react to a keyboard trigger so it unrolls from the top of the screen and stays always on top and doesn't lose focus when it is unrolled. HTH, W Sounds nice. But i don't want kdelibs on my system. I use wmii-3. It is highly configurable, so hopefully i am able to make a script that can do this job with any x terminal. And if you use xcompmgr and transset-df you can make the terminal transparent. A twenty line bash script is a bit faster as kdelibs. Yup. You go man! I just use YaKuake 'cause KDELibs is already on my system and in memory whenever I'm using my laptop. If you're a KDE fan it's really nice, though I'm all for other WMs. I always try out new WMs whenever I get the chance. I'm particularly fond of fvwm, though it didn't work on Gentoo. I can't say I have the patience, drive or motive to make it work yet, but I am, for the record, a very pro-variety person. I'm also for M$ making a WM for linux and calling that Windows. If you start thinking it through, and minding that M$ engineers aren't evil bug-making machines, and rather overworked underpaid programmers trying to make an artificial corporate deadline, the advantages for both M$ and the Linux community are very great. We'd have to murder Steve Ballmer though - he's wy to proud to ever do something like that. And why am I not signing my messages anymore? I'm using the GMail webface right now, and... I killed .kde3.4 and .kde in my ~/ folder. KDE was running so darn slow and now its running much much faster. I didn't know that'd kill my KMail inbox... now I know. I haven't had the time to set KMail back up yet, so for now I'm using GMail's wonderful web interface again. It's not that bad... invites for whoever wants 'em it you just ask me. Anyways... just to keep this on-topic... perhaps the best way to work with the CLI is without a WM. That is, after all, what the WM is doing... at least to my meagre knowledge of Unix architecture. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
On 4/12/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 12 April 2006 01:45, Lord Sauron wrote: Hello, This happened once before in Kubuntu, though this time I was more alert and know what I did right before this happened. So what did transpire? I sent my laptop into sleep mode via the popup menu on the battery monitor in KDE. It did this, however, when the machine came out of sleep mode, there was no monitor. It wasn't on. I tried my basic set of tricks: try and change the screen brightness; try and switch monitors via the key combo on the laptop; close the lid and re-open it; press the key combo to turn the monitor off; press the key combo to go back to sleep mode (didn't work). Eventually I picked a button that did work: POWER. The system shut down normally! After X11 died, it went back the the framebuffer and acted like nothing had happened. However, right after this, KDE has been acting *really* slow. Much slower than it should. # top revealed that artsd, xorg, and kded were eating cpu time. This is the same behaviour as on Kubuntu before. I suspect the cause was the same, however, I don't remember exactly so I won't point fingers. Do any of you know what this is? Do you think if I recompiled xorg, kde, and arts if it'd fix the problem? Or, even better, is there a way to axe all the configuration settings and see if that fixes the problem? Please help, I think it's affecting Gnome as well (scary!) recompiling will fix NOTHING. If the filesystem got corrupted it might do something... though in retrospect not likely. There are a lot of temporary files in /tmp and ~ / remove them and see if the problem is still there. Actually, I did # top and took a closer look... my pagefile wasn't mounted. I fixed that... I think a hibernate command axed the swap partition. mkswap and swapon then fixed that problem. Oh well... it's what you get for toying with the (highly-experimental) ACPI stuff. All KDE related configs are in ~/.kde3.5 (.kde3.4), so (re)moving that sets KDE back to its 'fresh' state. Luckily I won't have to do that yet! Back when I was using Kubuntu I didn't know about mkswap and swapon, so I was rather mystified. However, I'm really happy I was able to find the problem. Shows I'm learning something : ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
On 4/12/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martins Steinbergs wrote: read ~/.xsession-errors maybe some hint there, once i had that file fill free space on /home with few GB 'cause busy filling errors Yeah, I'll be looking in there shortly to see if there's any residual problems. before start KDE also try remove previous session saves, maybe there some sassion saved in bad state rm ~/.kde/share/config/session/* I'll be doing that too. You might also want to use top to see what, if anything, is using up your CPU time. Also keep in mind that if the CPU is fairly idle that the hard drive may be busy as well. I ran into this once before on a really slow system and it was the updatedb program. It was nice'd correctly but that doesn't apply to the hard drive. I read earlier that they are working on that too though. On my laptop, it used to be (under the tyranny of the 350meg windows pagefile) that if the hard drive lit up the system was busy. Under linux if the cpu lights up it's busy. It's a nice change. The hard drive for the X40 is so darn slow... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
Hello, This happened once before in Kubuntu, though this time I was more alert and know what I did right before this happened. So what did transpire? I sent my laptop into sleep mode via the popup menu on the battery monitor in KDE. It did this, however, when the machine came out of sleep mode, there was no monitor. It wasn't on. I tried my basic set of tricks: try and change the screen brightness; try and switch monitors via the key combo on the laptop; close the lid and re-open it; press the key combo to turn the monitor off; press the key combo to go back to sleep mode (didn't work). Eventually I picked a button that did work: POWER. The system shut down normally! After X11 died, it went back the the framebuffer and acted like nothing had happened. However, right after this, KDE has been acting *really* slow. Much slower than it should. # top revealed that artsd, xorg, and kded were eating cpu time. This is the same behaviour as on Kubuntu before. I suspect the cause was the same, however, I don't remember exactly so I won't point fingers. Do any of you know what this is? Do you think if I recompiled xorg, kde, and arts if it'd fix the problem? Or, even better, is there a way to axe all the configuration settings and see if that fixes the problem? Please help, I think it's affecting Gnome as well (scary!) Thanks for any input you can give! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 4/7/06, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 09:35 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available) Now, that is one _*#$*#_ of a laptop. Engadget just ran one of these. http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/07/dell-xps-mobile-concept-pc-to-shipping-this-May-as-xps-m2010/ 20.1 inch 1680x1050 w/ 4GB RAM. I know something's wrong here 'cause that's bigger than my CRT at home... I hope to get one of those gorgeous Apple Cinema HD Displays one of these days, but I can only hope and save my pennies : ) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/5/06, Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:31:20 -0700 Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * dev-util/eclipse-sdk Latest version available: 3.0.1-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 54,314 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Eclipse Tools Platform License: CPL-1.0 This one is not masked. I know, however, I want the whole she-bang, the whole IDE. A toolkit doesn't help me too much... : ( that is, unless I'm misunderstanding this. Under Debian Eclipse was just apt-get install eclipse and that was it. I don't know how I need to do it all in Gentoo. I've got time though. I only need this up by the start of school. School hasn't even ended yet. I'm just getting a head-start, so don't feel like you'll never hear from Lord Sauron again if we don't find a solution. I think that this means I have to change from -x86 to ~x86, however, I'm not entirely sure, and I'm not certain of the ramifications of doing this. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/6/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/6/06, Rafael Bugajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So eclipse sdk is what you WANT. :-) I think the ebuild names let people misunderstand some things... Yeah, oftentimes I miss the presence of a nice graphical package browser like Synaptic. Even if I can't install stuff using it, it's still nice to just go shopping : ) It also included a more detailed description of the software. There'd be 3 or so levels of descriptors: the very short one, the medium one, and the very long one. It was very effective. Actually, it is the eclipse project itself that has made this so damn confusing. Take a look at their About Us page, and try to find anywhere that it mentions an IDE. It is actually a development platform for building IDEs, or other applications built on top of a bunch of smaller tools. I just hear about it used a lot for making Java programs. If it gets too confusing, I'll just stick with KDevelop! I just hear that Eclipse is a Java-optimised IDE, and I'd like to use that instead of ultra-compatible KDevelop (which I perfer for C/C++, and am planning for use with bash as well). On their downloads pagethe main download is Eclipse SDK 3.1.2. You won't find anywhere on their downloads pages to download the Java IDE, because it is all part of the SDK! So the IDE is in the SDK? That's... strange. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/5/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:49, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash': You sent two copies of your message, one signed, the other not. You also didn't publish your public key on any keyserver that my kmail polls for keys (I think I poll 6 servers, though at least 3 of other shares keys among themselves, too). So that's what people are talking about whenever they say there's gonna be a public key signing! I've been idly wondering what that could be. Okay... that makes sense now. No, a public key signing is when you verify that the key(s) provided by the keyserver match the person they are supposed to. The keyserver provides a key to you based on it's ID, and the key itself contains what emails address it can be attached to, but that's don't tell you that *I* signed it. You'd have to talk face-to-face with me (or some other pre-secured method) to know that *I* uploaded that key. Anyone can upload a key purporting to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then send a message signed with that key. (Keys are essentially random, and anyone can send a mail with the From header saying [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In the most paranoid case, mail TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] [assuming it isn't a send-only email address] can be intercepted by anyone with physical or root access to the computer pointed to by the MX record of volumehost.net. Yeah, no system is foolproof. This message is validly singed, although probably by a key you don't trust (nor should you until to verify the key actually belongs to the person it claims to). Most key servers use hardened linux or SE Linux, right? Since that is what they're supposed to be for? I think I could scrape together another cheap-o server to make into my own key server... that'd be cool. If nothing else it'd be nice to play with it a bit : ) Most keyservers were up and running before hardened or SE Linux was available, but may have been upgraded. They are supposed to be difficult to break into and/or spoof, just like any public server, but they are *NOT* a source of trust. They accept and provide keys without any tests. They are a convenient publishing method, they are *NOT* part of the trust equation. Yeah, I was just thinking Hardened Linux would be a good choice b/c it's more resistant to some cracker breaking in and screwing stuff up all over the place. Good data in, good data out; bad data in, bad data out is the keyserver, but I don't want cracker pinhead to take the data and make it bad. If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh I honestly hope you're just joking. Really, the world gets much scarier when that is true... Check the Gmane archives if you don't believe me. Ciaran said it and has yet to even take notice of my signature quoting him. Hell, sometimes I almost believe it. In my most cynical moments, I think we should stop helping people install Gentoo, just so we have some minimum competency requirement for users. Yeah, there is a significant advantage to having competent users, however, when you make that distinction you narrow your target audience to so few people... Then, I realize that I probably wouldn't have the wonderful Gentoo system I have now without the support of the other Gentoo users; I'd probably be running Debian. :/ I was a good person and learned all I could on Debian before trying Gentoo. That's why you don't see me asking questions like what's bash and where's the start menu? Luckily for you, that's where I picked up what few mailing-list manners I have ; ) You should have seen my posts before... scary. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/6/06, Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 April 2006 16:13, Richard Fish wrote: On 4/6/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it is the eclipse project itself that has made this so damn confusing. Take a look at their About Us page, and try to find anywhere that it mentions an IDE. It is actually a development platform for building IDEs, or other applications built on top of a bunch of smaller tools. I just hear about it used a lot for making Java programs. If it gets too confusing, I'll just stick with KDevelop! Well, I think the IDE is very nice and easy to use. It is just the description of the project this is a bit difficult to understand. -Richard He said, easy to use... I'm impressed. Well... maybe I'm too old. Well, I think we can all agree that the easiest to use [editor] is nano[1]. However, I do appreciate the tools and automation offered by a IDE. 1. IMHO, if you can't use nano, then you have some major issues. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
Just a follow up: Installed the SDK Package. I have Eclipse now. That's really weird... calling your IDE a SDK... I'm sure there's some non-logic behind it... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/4/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 April 2006 19:33, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash': PS: I'm playing with this GPG stuff... I want to see if any of you can use [verify] this. I'm just curious... I had some nut case ghosting off of my domain and email and then emailing some friends. I was not happy. Someone suggested signing my messages. So, I'm trying. Tell me if I'm doing it right if it's conveinient. You sent two copies of your message, one signed, the other not. You also didn't publish your public key on any keyserver that my kmail polls for keys (I think I poll 6 servers, though at least 3 of other shares keys among themselves, too). So that's what people are talking about whenever they say there's gonna be a public key signing! I've been idly wondering what that could be. Okay... that makes sense now. Don't laugh - it was my very first try and encryption. This message is validly singed, although probably by a key you don't trust (nor should you until to verify the key actually belongs to the person it claims to). Most key servers use hardened linux or SE Linux, right? Since that is what they're supposed to be for? I think I could scrape together another cheap-o server to make into my own key server... that'd be cool. If nothing else it'd be nice to play with it a bit : ) -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh I honestly hope you're just joking. Really, the world gets much scarier when that is true... withdraws into own little programmer world where everything is written in C and MS doens't exsist -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/4/06, Bo Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 02:33, Lord Sauron wrote:
[SNIP]
So I now use the theme livecd-2006.0 Just my $0.02, but it's sorta
difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try
to make a script to change themes in a easier manner
(lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme], perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a
programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change
themes:
/etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file
/boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line
args are nice and happy
[SNIP]
I guarantee nothing... ;) :
#!/bin/bash
RES=1400x1050
THEME=${1}
splash_geninitramfs ${THEME} -r ${RES} -g /boot/fbsplash -v
sed -i -e 's/theme:[a-z0-9.-]*/theme:'${THEME}'/' /boot/grub/menu.lst
Hmm... I'll have to play around with that in KDevelop and see if I
can make it guaranteeable... that'd be a good project for a nut like
me...
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[gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
Hi, once again... I'm taking a Computer Science class in school, and they use Java for this class. I decided to try using Eclipse, a popular Java IDE, however, Eclipse appears to be masked (see # emerge --search eclipse output below). I don't know what to do. Does anyone have any suggestions? localhost ~ # emerge --search eclipse Searching... [ Results for search key : eclipse ] [ Applications found : 13 ] * dev-java/eclipse-core [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 21,691 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-java/eclipse-ecj [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.1-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 530 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Eclipse Compiler for Java License: EPL-1.0 * dev-java/eclipse-jface [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 21,691 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-java/eclipse-osgi [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 65,074 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-util/eclipse-cbg-editor [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.3.7 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 239 kB Homepage:http://gstaff.org/colorEditor/ Description: Syntax color highlighting editor for Eclipse, using jEdit syntax files License: grindstaff * dev-util/eclipse-cdt [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.0-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,608 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/cdt Description: Eclipse C/C++ Development Tools License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-cdt-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 1.2.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,597 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/cdt Description: C/C++ Development Tools for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-emf-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.0.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 2,794 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/emf/ Description: EMF is a modeling framework and code generation facility for building tools and other applications based on a structured data model. License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-gef-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.0.1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,194 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/gef/ Description: The Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) allows developers to take an existing application model and easily create a rich graphical editor. License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-pydev-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.8.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,386 kB Homepage:http://pydev.sourceforge.net Description: Python Development Tools for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-sdk Latest version available: 3.0.1-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 54,314 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Eclipse Tools Platform License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-subclipse-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.9.31 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,842 kB Homepage:http://subclipse.tigris.org/ Description: Subversion Integration for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-ve-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 1.0.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,120 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/vep/ Description: The Eclipse Visual Editor provides GUI builders for Eclipse. License: CPL-1.0 -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
I was a good cookie and went and tried my best. I did see some signs of success, however, they're not all complete... no pictures. The one sign of success was that the resolution was at [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a good sign. However, I think that was more attributable to my recompile of the kernel, which I'm happy to say I'm reletively expert at now. I can make menuconfig and make make install my way around now, so that's good news. On 4/2/06, Bo Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash I followed these instructions, however, something didn't work, because there were no pretty pictures : ( I did appreciate the increased resolution, however. The instructions I took were pretty simple: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#Non-genkernel_users Then I: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#Non-genkernel_users and then I modified /boot/grub/menu.lst: localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst default 0 timeout 7 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Current Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 initrd /fbsplash there is the change title Old Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda3 title Failsafe root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3 initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 However, there are no graphics. To correct this, I'm going to try and run through the list another time, however, if anyone sees something wrong, please tell me. Oh, and I know there's a descrepency between the names made by splash_geninitramfs... and what menu.lst points to. I created a more generically named file to facilitate easy switching between themes by just generating a new initramfs of the same name whenever I want. I thought I was being rather clever, personally... I couldn't do neat tricks like that in windows, so I'm really having fun! Thanks for any help! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
Yeah, I read you. I found that during lunch. It works now : ) On 4/4/06, Bo Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 April 2006 20:48, Lord Sauron wrote: [SNIP] and then I modified /boot/grub/menu.lst: localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst default 0 timeout 7 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Current Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 initrd /fbsplash there is the [SNIP] So now you have told it where to find the theme files. Now you just need to alter your kernel line to specify what theme to use and in which mode. An example is given in [1]. But to view full documentation of kernel parameters for splash type in a terminal (this assumes that you have splashutils installed): # zcat -c /usr/share/doc/splashutils*/kernel_parameters.gz | less Also I have just added two sections to the howto i.e. [2] and [3]. [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#GRUB_Example [2] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#View_contents_of_initramfs [3] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#Choosing_a_theme -- Bo Andresen -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
To be a bit more verbose... I downloaded the web page to disk so I could toy with it during lunch, when I'm not connected to the internet. After about ten reboots I finally had it nailed down. My Windoze friends are gonna hate this... they've always regarded Window's bootup graphics as making windows superior in some way or another. I think they've just let their minds be harmed by all the years of windows ; ) So I now use the theme livecd-2006.0 Just my $0.02, but it's sorta difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try to make a script to change themes in a easier manner (lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme], perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change themes: /etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file /boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line args are nice and happy but otherwise it was rather painless. The initial install was painful... when you have to do a manual rc-update add or whatever it is, that's a sign that you need to make a script of some kind... my personal feelings, of course. So thanks for the help - Probably wouldn't have gotten this far by myself (I have a habit of bouncing off the same walls until someone explains to me why my thinking isn't right, even though it is quite logical). PS: I'm playing with this GPG stuff... I want to see if any of you can use [verify] this. I'm just curious... I had some nut case ghosting off of my domain and email and then emailing some friends. I was not happy. Someone suggested signing my messages. So, I'm trying. Tell me if I'm doing it right if it's conveinient. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To be a bit more verbose... I downloaded the web page to disk so I could toy with it during lunch, when I'm not connected to the internet. After about ten reboots I finally had it nailed down. My Windoze friends are gonna hate this... they've always regarded Window's bootup graphics as making windows superior in some way or another. I think they've just let their minds be harmed by all the years of windows ; ) So I now use the theme livecd-2006.0 Just my $0.02, but it's sorta difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try to make a script to change themes in a easier manner (lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme], perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change themes: /etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file /boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line args are nice and happy but otherwise it was rather painless. The initial install was painful... when you have to do a manual rc-update add or whatever it is, that's a sign that you need to make a script of some kind... my personal feelings, of course. So thanks for the help - Probably wouldn't have gotten this far by myself (I have a habit of bouncing off the same walls until someone explains to me why my thinking isn't right, even though it is quite logical). - -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEMw9zHcNVi48i054RAi3sAJ0cV7/YUJVybJiPjGBtL2T5SsFINwCfeDEu fFpF1fK9A/3ocaiuN3J6tus= =g3tf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
Hello once more. I was good this time and did look through the documentation. In order to get the beautification on Gentoo I wanted (the nice graphics during the install and stuff) I researched it and installed splashutils. However, installation wasn't enough. There's a way to activate it. I found how to choose which theme I wanted - it was rather straightforward, a symlink to a folder. However, I don't know how to really activate the darn thing such that it'll work. I went to the software's homepage and found a installation document which basically said that it differs from distro to distro. If there were instructions for me, I didn't see them. Anyways, I hope you can help me here. I hope I'm not all that annoying, either. I know I am rather elementary, however, I was a good Dark Lord this time and I did do my homework and tried my best to work the problem by myself before asking for help - I really did! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc question
On 4/2/06, Leigh Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks richard. is it safe to have compiled half a system with gcc 3.3 ubt to be compiling new packages with 3.4? From what I read, if you have half a package using gcc3.3 and the other half 3.4 or something, that won't work. However, I don't see a reason why not... YMMV, if nothing else. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 4/1/06, Mait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/4/1, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/31/06, Mait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! don,t hurry relax ~ : ) Relax? Sounds like something that unemployed people do : \ Sorry for my poor english : ) It means sorry, too many docs to read Yeah... I end up bookmarking most of 'em and then never reading 'em anyways... I admit to being a bad person. oh.. english drive me crazy Not a long trip, eh? ; ) English is one of the most un-intuitive languages there is, with possible exception to Spanish... Yeah, Latin is probably the source of all linguistic evil. Anglo-Saxon/West Germanic was just fine until those darn Roman pinheads came along... ~:( -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 4/1/06, maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know if it relates to your case but I had a similar problem until I realized the device was formatted FAT16. Once I added proper support to my kernel config it was smooth sailing. No, mine's a vfat. Here's a sample of what my /etc/fstab reads now: localhost bin # cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda1/boot ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda2noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda3/ ext3 defaults 0 1 none/procproc defaults 0 0 none/dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1/mnt/sda1 vfat noauto,async,user,exec 0 0 (note: I edited the output to get it to line up - before hand it was rather ugly. Yeah, that slow of a Saturday...) If I ever meet the guy who made the cat command, I'm gonna kiss him. If I ever find the guy who made the less command, I'll do the same. One of my new favourite toys is cat file | less. You've probably noticed I use it a lot. I only discovered it about 2 weeks ago, so there comes my excitement. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+ P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
