Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:13:41 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. Nor should it - you either let baselayout manage the networking interfaces or another program. Letting two systems fight over control over the interface is asking for problems. -- Neil Bothwick Joystick: (n.) a device essential for performing business tasks and training exercises esp. favored by pilots, tank commanders, riverboat gamblers, and medieval warlords. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
Hello all, Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and switching between several different networks both wired and wireless. I thought the thing to do would be to install a slick gui to take care of this. To that end I installed NetworkManager, and KNetworkManager as a front-end as I use a KDE desktop. As far as I can tell Network Manager is working fine, I followed the instructions for setup from the wiki here[0] and here[1], and it does seem to setup a wired connection on eth0 just fine. However, I am getting an error upon trying to start Knetworkmanager: KNetworkManager can not start because the installation is misconfigured. System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings. contact your system administrator or distribution. KNetworkManager will not start automatically in future. Not sure why, as per the wiki I added: policy group=plugdev allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ /policy to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, and added my user to plugdev group. Is there something else I'm missing? I'm unsure how to further troubleshoot. I also tried the NetworkManager plasmoid for kde, but that is just bombing with a bunch off error messages I can't read in the 'connections' window. I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the whole works and use Wicd? At this point I'd be happy with pretty much any solution that just works, I've wasted the better half of the day on this and I'm starting to think I should just stick to using the CLI...this frustration just isn't worth it. Do any of you folks out there have an easy, simple solution to configuring wireless that you like? I'm open to any ideas. [0] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/NetworkManager [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KNetworkManager -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files back and restart services. Allows a profile based approach based on site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running, external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all able to be scripted. Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site. I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :) So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own. BillK On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 18:37 -0600, Darren Kirby wrote: Hello all, Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and switching between several different networks both wired and wireless. I thought the thing to do would be to install a slick gui to take care of this. To that end I installed NetworkManager, and KNetworkManager as a front-end as I use a KDE desktop. As far as I can tell Network Manager is working fine, I followed the instructions for setup from the wiki here[0] and here[1], and it does seem to setup a wired connection on eth0 just fine. However, I am getting an error upon trying to start Knetworkmanager: KNetworkManager can not start because the installation is misconfigured. System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings. contact your system administrator or distribution. KNetworkManager will not start automatically in future. Not sure why, as per the wiki I added: policy group=plugdev allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ /policy to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, and added my user to plugdev group. Is there something else I'm missing? I'm unsure how to further troubleshoot. I also tried the NetworkManager plasmoid for kde, but that is just bombing with a bunch off error messages I can't read in the 'connections' window. I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the whole works and use Wicd? At this point I'd be happy with pretty much any solution that just works, I've wasted the better half of the day on this and I'm starting to think I should just stick to using the CLI...this frustration just isn't worth it. Do any of you folks out there have an easy, simple solution to configuring wireless that you like? I'm open to any ideas. [0] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/NetworkManager [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KNetworkManager -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
Hey Bill, On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files back and restart services. Allows a profile based approach based on site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running, external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all able to be scripted. So are you saying you are writing configs in the normal gentoo /etc/conf.d/net format? Not sure I'm following you here... Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site. I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :) So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own. BillK Yeah...starting to think that myself. I think conf.d/net allows you to write separate configs based on essid, so perhaps I'll just go with that. I'm sure I'll be using the same core group of APs a good 80% or so of the time, it will just be annoying to have to scan and configure manually the other 20%... Perhaps I'll give Wicd a shot, if if no joy there just stick to what I know and do it on the CLI... Thanks, D -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby bulli...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
whole works and use Wicd?
I don't know about KNetworkManager, but nm-applet under GNOME works
flawless and without need of any configuration. You just need to
disable the Gentoo network scripts (with RC_PLUG_SERVICES=!net.* in
/etc/conf.d/rc) and off you go. No need to change any other
configuration file.
As I understand, nm-applet uses the Freedesktop standar for
notification areas, so it should work with KDE. It will pull part of
the GNOME stack, obviously, but is really minimal:
RDEPEND==dev-libs/glib-2.16
=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.74
=sys-apps/dbus-1.2
=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14
=gnome-base/gconf-2.20
=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.92
=x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.3
=gnome-base/libglade-2
=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.20
=dev-libs/libnl-1.1
=net-misc/networkmanager-${PV}
=net-wireless/wireless-tools-28_pre9
=net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-0.5.7
net-misc/mobile-broadband-provider-info
bluetooth? ( =net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-2.27.6 )
And probably you already have most of those packages.
I used to have my own scripts and utilities, and back in the day I
knew wpa_supplicant like the palm of my hand. Now not so much; it's
not worth it. The GUI utilities (or at least those from GNOME, which
is my preferred desktop) never really fail any more.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Instituto de Matemáticas
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
No I am saying create a unique /etc/conf./net, hosts file, bind files, firewall files (shorewall in my case), /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and anything else that has a unique setup per site and put them together in another directory. I have tried putting everything in the net file in the past but its just too complex once you get beyond a few sites, and many things wont fit anyway. Ive learnt that its best to simplify - let each part of the process do one thing only. You have less failures when you go into a lecture/demo/site when all eyes are on you :) - and easier to fix quickly, especially when the local IT services decides to change the topology/settings without telling you! Its a lot more complex in my case because of the number and complexity of sites - VPN's at some, local routing, non-local routing, private/public addressing, and in one case a site required cisco VPN over wifi with an OpenVPN running through it to my office connecting across a private addressed WAN to a asterisk VoIP. You can do almost anything ... BillK On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 20:17 -0600, Darren Kirby wrote: Hey Bill, On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files back and restart services. Allows a profile based approach based on site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running, external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all able to be scripted. So are you saying you are writing configs in the normal gentoo /etc/conf.d/net format? Not sure I'm following you here... Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site. I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :) So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own. BillK Yeah...starting to think that myself. I think conf.d/net allows you to write separate configs based on essid, so perhaps I'll just go with that. I'm sure I'll be using the same core group of APs a good 80% or so of the time, it will just be annoying to have to scan and configure manually the other 20%... Perhaps I'll give Wicd a shot, if if no joy there just stick to what I know and do it on the CLI... Thanks, D -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby bulli...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
whole works and use Wicd?
I don't know about KNetworkManager, but nm-applet under GNOME works
flawless and without need of any configuration. You just need to
disable the Gentoo network scripts (with RC_PLUG_SERVICES=!net.* in
/etc/conf.d/rc) and off you go. No need to change any other
configuration file.
I did already edit RC_PLUG_SERVICES to override udev...
I guess it works fine without configuration for everyone but me...I get this:
** (nm-applet:24816): WARNING **: WARN request_name(): Could not
acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service.
Error: (9) Connection :1.35 is not allowed to own the service
org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings due to security policies
in the configuration file
So then I add this:
policy group=plugdev
allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/
allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager
send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/
/policy
to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-applet.conf but it still doesn't work. I
don't even know if that's right, I know nothing of writing dbus policy
rules. You say you didn't have to configure anything? I don't know,
it says 'WARNING' rather than error, but 'ps' shows no nm-applet
running. Is it just supposed to show up on the panel or what?
As I understand, nm-applet uses the Freedesktop standar for
notification areas, so it should work with KDE. It will pull part of
the GNOME stack, obviously, but is really minimal:
RDEPEND==dev-libs/glib-2.16
=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.74
=sys-apps/dbus-1.2
=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14
=gnome-base/gconf-2.20
=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.92
=x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.3
=gnome-base/libglade-2
=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.20
=dev-libs/libnl-1.1
=net-misc/networkmanager-${PV}
=net-wireless/wireless-tools-28_pre9
=net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-0.5.7
net-misc/mobile-broadband-provider-info
bluetooth? ( =net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-2.27.6 )
And probably you already have most of those packages.
Yes, I only had to install 8 new ones.
I used to have my own scripts and utilities, and back in the day I
knew wpa_supplicant like the palm of my hand. Now not so much; it's
not worth it. The GUI utilities (or at least those from GNOME, which
is my preferred desktop) never really fail any more.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Instituto de Matemáticas
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Still frustrated that not a damn thing seems to work,
D
--
--
Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
Dump NetworkManager. Use wicd. All these issues just GoAway(tm) with wicd Hello all, Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and switching between several different networks both wired and wireless. I thought the thing to do would be to install a slick gui to take care of this. To that end I installed NetworkManager, and KNetworkManager as a front-end as I use a KDE desktop. As far as I can tell Network Manager is working fine, I followed the instructions for setup from the wiki here[0] and here[1], and it does seem to setup a wired connection on eth0 just fine. However, I am getting an error upon trying to start Knetworkmanager: KNetworkManager can not start because the installation is misconfigured. System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings. contact your system administrator or distribution. KNetworkManager will not start automatically in future. Not sure why, as per the wiki I added: policy group=plugdev allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ allow send_destination=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager/ /policy to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, and added my user to plugdev group. Is there something else I'm missing? I'm unsure how to further troubleshoot. I also tried the NetworkManager plasmoid for kde, but that is just bombing with a bunch off error messages I can't read in the 'connections' window. I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the whole works and use Wicd? At this point I'd be happy with pretty much any solution that just works, I've wasted the better half of the day on this and I'm starting to think I should just stick to using the CLI...this frustration just isn't worth it. Do any of you folks out there have an easy, simple solution to configuring wireless that you like? I'm open to any ideas. [0] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/NetworkManager [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KNetworkManager -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Dump NetworkManager. Use wicd. All these issues just GoAway(tm) with wicd Thanks Alan, I've just realized that. Wish I could get the last 10 hours back though :) D -- -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
