[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:51:29 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: In prose: I have kde-i18n-3.5.8 installed. In tree, there's an update available (kde-i18n-3.5.9). Why was that updatedable package not picked up, when I ran emerge -DuvatN world? I also tried emerge -Duvat world - same effect. Is kde-i18n in your world file? No, it's not. If emerge --depclean -p suggests removing it, it's not. Add it with emerge -n kde-i18n. Hm - why should I want to add kde-i18n to the world file? I ran emerge -D (--deep). From man emerge: --deep (-D) This flag forces emerge to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly listed in the dependencies of a package. Also see --with-bdeps for behavior with respect to build time dependencies that are not strictly required. kde-i18n got installed as a dependency of some KDE package. Hmm... I suppose I got it, because I used to have kde-meta installed. And that package got lost, somehow. And as it's no longer installed, there's nothing installed on my system which has kde-i18n as a dependency. And it's not in the world file. As that's so, emerge lost track of this package, so to say. Does that sound like a correct summary? Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). emerge --depclean -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael emerge -p depclean will give you a list of all of those packages, and you can then add to your world file, or uninstall as you see fit Be *extremely* careful with this command though... Anthony signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael Ahhh, I see. You can check the Gentoo docs page and there is a page that tells you how NOT to use kde-meta. It's not a big deal and I think most people do it that way. It's like a lot of things, it's a matter of preference. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other option is to use the kde*meta ebuilds, which do directly depend on the sub-ordinate packages. This is what I do and I don't get the effect you observed. Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -1d /var/portage/kde-base/*meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeaccessibility-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeaddons-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeadmin-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeartwork-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdebase-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdebindings-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeedu-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdegames-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdegraphics-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kde-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdepim-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdesdk-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdetoys-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeutils-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdewebdev-meta Use these instead of kde-meta. If you want only some stuff in one of those and not everything, omit the -meta, look inside it's ebuild and install the DEPENDS you do want. Same result as what you asked for, different means of achieving it. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: SNIP Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael First things first. Use caution with this. A LOT of caution. Always do a --pretend first, no exception. I would strongly recommend you to never let it just remove packages, always remove them by hand. That's how I do it anyway. emerge -p --depclean That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. If you have a problem with things being removed from your world file, someone may can give you the command to rebuild it. I'd backup the current one first, just in case. I'm pretty sure there is a way to do that but can't recall at the moment. I have never had to do that before. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other option is to use the kde*meta ebuilds, which do directly depend on the sub-ordinate packages. This is what I do and I don't get the effect you observed. Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Anthony Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello. snip How do I make emerge update all the installed packages, if there's an update available? Thanks, Michael Hi, First question, was it installed directly, or as a dependency for something else? I'm pretty sure, it was a dependency. (/var/lib/portage/world) If it is a dependency, is the package that depends on it, shown in the world file? I think it was a dependency of kde-meta. kde-meta is no longer installed. If the answer to the second question above is no then try adding it into the world file, then emerge -DuvatN world again. Yes. Thanks a lot! Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:30:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. But that's exactly what it's for merge this to pull in all non-developer, split kde-base/* packages. If you want to pick and choose, emerge the packages you want, there's no need to add extra USE flags and another layer of complexity when the current system handles both all-in-one and selective installs just fine. -- Neil Bothwick Dolly Parton-- silicone based life signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Hello. Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: emerge --depclean thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a lot. If you've removed kde-meta, I'm not surprised. It's not (mainly) kde packages that show up there. It's: I'm surprised these show up from --depclean: app-admin/logrotate app-arch/sharutils app-crypt/hashalot app-crypt/mhash app-text/psutils dev-libs/glib dev-libs/lzo dev-libs/pcre++ dev-util/yacc Well - that's the way it is :) After last week's entertainment, why are these not in your world? Why should they be in world? I prefer to only have in world, what I really want. For example, I don't think that gst-plugins-alsa belongs into world, if I have gst-plugins-meta installed. [...] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd media-plugins/gst-plugins-flac media-plugins/gst-plugins-theora That's interesting - why did those packages show up? media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa is a dependency of media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta, and -meta is in world: $ grep meta /var/lib/portage/world dev-java/metadata-extractor media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta x11-themes/metacity-themes Strange. Ah! Multiple versions again. gst-plugins-alsa was there in versions 0.8.12 and 0.10.17. Hmm, more stuff that should be in world if you want it. net-wireless/wireless-tools sys-apps/acl sys-apps/iproute2 sys-devel/automake sys-devel/bin86 sys-devel/dev86 Ouch!! What did you do to this box that this one shows up? gcc is not in world, it's in system, and the only way to get it out of there is to edit the profile I haven't edited profile. --($:~/Desktop)-- emerge --info Portage 2.1.5_rc2 (default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop, gcc-4.2.3, glibc-2.7-r2, 2.6.24-tuxonice-r3.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686) = [...] sys-devel/gcc I think you need to fix your world before before doing any --depclean steps. Seems like :) Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... New friend for life I suspect. That would be a doozy for sure. I haven't done that yet. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... New friend for life I suspect. That would be a doozy for sure. I haven't done that yet. I have :-) I've also removed (forcibly) all versions of gcc, portage, and glibc individually and all together. quickpkg is a nice thing to know about :-) Once I even merged busybox to the root filesystem. It overwrites all the Unix tools with symlinks to busybox. Cool, you get a tiny install that can go on an embedded device. BUT, busybox give you tar, it does not give you tar -o Guess which gentoo-specific app requires tar -o? Do I hear the word portage? Anyone?? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: I think you need to fix your world before before doing any --depclean steps. Seems like :) Probably not now that we have the full picture though -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: I have :-) I've also removed (forcibly) all versions of gcc, portage, and glibc individually and all together. quickpkg is a nice thing to know about :-) I got that covered. I found this little tid bit of info. OP may want to make a note of this too. Pst, you see this? FEATURES=buildsyspkg sandbox fixpackages parallel-fetch I like the buildsyspkg part. At least I will have the system packages and can boot up. Once I even merged busybox to the root filesystem. It overwrites all the Unix tools with symlinks to busybox. Cool, you get a tiny install that can go on an embedded device. Sounds cool, for the right equipment. ;-) Maybe not a desktop or a fancy server, on second thought. :-p BUT, busybox give you tar, it does not give you tar -o Guess which gentoo-specific app requires tar -o? Do I hear the word portage? Anyone?? Naturally. What else could use that? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
