On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:14:38PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote:
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 03:40:51 Stroller wrote:
Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of
quoting, a top-posting is justified.
Every time you find you have a screenful of quoted text you should just trim
out the extraneous crap and return the mail to sanity. As I
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
I don't mind top posting in private emails but not on the list. Who is
it with that signature with the backward questions about top posting?
This one?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
I don't mind top posting in private emails but not on the list. Who is
it with that signature with the backward questions about top posting?
This one?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It
does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped.
On 3/25/09, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
I don't mind top posting in private
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote:
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It
does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped.
It doesn't mater what device is used to send the email, it is the
recipient that is affected by the
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote:
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It
does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped.
It doesn't mater what device is
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote:
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It
does make it hard to follow a thread, but
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote:
Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys
forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile
device.
What?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote:
Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:16:51 Paul Hartman wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote:
Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys
forgive me for the few
On 25 Mar 2009, at 07:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 03:40:51 Stroller wrote:
Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of
quoting, a top-posting is justified.
Every time you find you have a screenful of quoted text you should
just trim
out the
Can you ALL please take this off-topic conversation off list.
This is a general support list used by many users of a wide range of
experience, therefore you can not expect to be able to enforce any
standards, either way.
In addition, please keep language clean on this list.
AllenJB
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:
There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the
Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the
reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies.
This makes it harder to reply to
AllenJB wrote:
Can you ALL please take this off-topic conversation off list.
+1
In addition, please keep language clean on this list.
+1
Well said.
Graham Murray wrote:
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:
There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the
Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the
reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies.
This makes it
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:46:15 -0400, James Skinner wrote:
Man. Is this thread really going to continue??
As long as people have something to say, yes. Now it can be forked into a
no-top-posting discussion too, so you have helped prolong it that much
longer :)
--
Neil Bothwick
If you're not
Dale schrieb:
James Skinner wrote:
Man. Is this thread really going to continue??
If you are not careful, you will get someone on the no top posting
soapbox. LOL This is a educational channel and there are teachers and
learners. I'm the learner. We can however change the
On 24 Mar 2009, at 02:34, Albert Hopkins wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 18:58 -0500, Dale wrote:
Albert Hopkins wrote:
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 22:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
???
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:40:51 +, Stroller wrote:
Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of
quoting, a top-posting is justified.
No it's not, but trimming of the quoted text is.
--
Neil Bothwick
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:40:51 +, Stroller wrote:
Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of
quoting, a top-posting is justified.
No it's not, but trimming of the quoted text is.
+1
I don't mind top posting in private emails
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:09 -0500, Dale wrote:
I'm not real familiar with aliases but know what it is. If you use the
alias method, how would you disable it for a one time run?
If you gave the alias the same name as the command, just use the full
path to the command to call it directly. But
Albert Hopkins wrote:
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 22:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more typing. ;-)
Use an alias
2009/3/23 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com:
Oh, OK. Dale waves hand over head. If it is set up to add that
option, how do you tell it not to use it?
alias ls='/bin/ls --color'
alias l='ls -l'
With these aliases in your .bashrc (or whatever is appropriate in your
environment), you can now use 'ls'
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 18:58 -0500, Dale wrote:
Albert Hopkins wrote:
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 22:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more
Man. Is this thread really going to continue??
On 3/23/09, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 18:58 -0500, Dale wrote:
Albert Hopkins wrote:
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 22:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale
Hilco Wijbenga wrote:
2009/3/23 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com:
Oh, OK. Dale waves hand over head. If it is set up to add that
option, how do you tell it not to use it?
alias ls='/bin/ls --color'
alias l='ls -l'
With these aliases in your .bashrc (or whatever is appropriate in your
Mike Diehl wrote:
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:00:11 Dale wrote:
Mike Kazantsev wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:17:53 -0600
Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
Has Gentoo become such a moving target that it's no longer
suitable for
normal, every day, usage?
If
090321 Mike Diehl wrote:
Ok now, I'm getting fed up with all of the breakage
that I've seen in Gentoo in the last few months.
I haven't experienced any such thing.
I'm trying to upgrade MythTV.
I don't use that, so can't help directly.
Emerge told me to upgrade my profile, which I did.
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I hope you use --oneshot every time or your world file will be a complete
mess by now
On Sunday 22 March 2009 07:50:04 Mike Diehl wrote:
So here is the question: Are these just growing pains, or is this the
trend with Gentoo? If I resolve to update frequently, will these problems
become more rare?
I've been using Gentoo for 4 years now, my main desktop is still running code
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:50:04 -0600, Mike Diehl wrote:
However, lately, Gentoo seems to have been plagued with problems.
Circular blockers. 32/64 bit libraries. Package re-organization.
Others.
That's inevitable with a versionless distro like Gentoo. With the other
distros you have mentions,
Hi,
you also have the chance of running emerge -DuavN system. That way you
can be sure that your system is stable without updating every program
you might only need once in a blue moon or you are allready seticfied with.
I would allways have an eye on the GLSA. You can do this in the forum,
with
Philip Webb schrieb am 22.03.2009 07:58:
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I also have a list of all the pkgs I have installed with dates + deps,
which I keep upto-date by hand as I emerge items.
I've never
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I hope you use --oneshot every time
or your world file will
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:17:53 -0600
Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
It seems that as
long as I keep rebuilding machines from a current live CD, all is
well. But if I try to upgrade anything else, I end up having to
reformat. I've been using Gentoo long enough to have actually met
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:37:50 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote:
I hope you use --oneshot every time
or your world file will be a complete mess by now :(
Yes, there's always someone who says that (grin).
I wouldn't want to disappoint you :)
Of course, it's 2nd nature
Am Sonntag, 22. März 2009 02:17:53 schrieb Mike Diehl:
Ok now, I'm getting fed up with all of the breakage that I've seen in
Gentoo in the last few months.
I'm trying to upgrade MythTV. Emerge told me to upgrade my profile, which
I did.
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
But before I
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 12:44 +0100, Peter Alfredsen wrote:
I would say that if you do a complete world update at least every six
months, followed by revdep-rebuild, keeping Gentoo up-to-date should
be
relatively painless, excluding all the blockers you have to resolve.
ie.:
emerge -uDNav
-Original Message-
From: Philip Webb [mailto:purs...@ca.inter.net]
Sent: March 22, 2009 7:38 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
Now I'm doing an emerge -u
Philip Webb wrote:
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I hope you
Philip Webb wrote:
090322 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:57 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
Now I'm doing an emerge -u world.
I never do that: I always do 'emerge -Dup world',
then decide which packages to update emerge them individually.
I hope you
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
Ok now, I'm getting fed up with all of the breakage that I've seen in Gentoo
in the last few months.
Understood and personally felt.
SNIP
emerge -C mktemp
Generally a *very* bad move unless you are *absolutely* sure
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
2) emerge -DuN world building lots of packages that are already on the
system but the LoG has apparently changed flags so emerge wants to
rebuild them.
Don't use --newuse, use --reinstall changed-use.
--
Neil Bothwick
Most software is
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 13:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
Personally I think we're in one of those
unfortunate periods of time where there is a relatively high number of
issues. I'm seeing it on all my machines. It's taking far more of my
time to deal with this than I wish it would.
1)
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
2) emerge -DuN world building lots of packages that are already on the
system but the LoG has apparently changed flags so emerge wants to
rebuild them.
Don't use
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote:
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 13:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
Personally I think we're in one of those
unfortunate periods of time where there is a relatively high number of
issues. I'm seeing it on all my machines. It's
On 22 Mar 2009, at 22:07, Mark Knecht wrote:
...
1) ntp-update problems at boot time.
Hmm, I'm not having any ntp-update problems on my machines. Have
you
submitted a bug report or searched the bug database? Obviously this
isn't happening for everyone so if the right people don't know
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:02:12 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
Also, it seems that there's no shortcut for that command so instead
of
emerge -pvDuN @world
if I understand then I might try
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more typing.
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more typing. ;-)
Use an alias and it's less typing.
Or add it to make.conf. I think that would work too.
It would work, every time you called emerge, whether you wanted
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more typing. ;-)
Use an alias and it's less typing.
Or add it to make.conf. I think that would work too.
It would
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 22:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:26:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
emerge -pvDu --reinstall changed-use @world
??? Certainly a lot more typing. ;-)
Use an alias and it's less typing.
Or add it to
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:17:53 -0600
Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
Has Gentoo become such a moving target that it's no longer suitable for
normal, every day, usage?
If you're prepared to update you system at least once a week and
have up-to-date knowledge of all the installed stuff, so
Mike Kazantsev wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:17:53 -0600
Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
Has Gentoo become such a moving target that it's no longer suitable for
normal, every day, usage?
If you're prepared to update you system at least once a week and
have up-to-date
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:00:11 Dale wrote:
Mike Kazantsev wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:17:53 -0600
Mike Diehl mdi...@diehlnet.com wrote:
Has Gentoo become such a moving target that it's no longer suitable for
normal, every day, usage?
If you're prepared to update you system at
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