Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:25:11PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:43:17 PM Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote: (This mail is to keep the guys un -user in the loop about -devel).

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:31:31 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: There are two principle things I dislike about D-Bus. 1) It doesn't support live upgrading of the daemon. We discussed the reasons behind this several weeks ago, as I recall. Transparent session control handoff is, of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what is already there. Although, one thing which I find very annoying is that the things that depend on it

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 12:03, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: And what is your problem with dbus anyway? I bet you can't even measure a difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or responsiveness of your gui. Not my specific case(s) but a quick google gave this:

Re: OT: Merchant bankers (Was: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-18 Thread Arttu V.
On 9/17/11, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2011 the SP 500 was within about .1% of where it was on 9/10/2001. The 'Lost Decade'... You lucky and prosperous bastards! Take a look at some major European indexes over the same time span. DAX for example. :D -- Arttu V.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 12:44:04 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-18 12:03, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: And what is your problem with dbus anyway? I bet you can't even measure a difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or responsiveness of your gui. Not my specific

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for us, it doesn't obsolete anything else,

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that all the time there isn't much software left. You said: I bet you can't even measure a difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or responsiveness of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:19 AM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that all the time there isn't much software left. You said: I bet you can't even measure a difference between

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 09:15:25 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: Other systems may start to use it if

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 15:19:29 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that all the time there isn't much software left. You said: I bet you can't even measure a difference between dbus running

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 15:19:29 schrieb pk: again, if it you say 'it must be bad because there is a bug in it' you can disregard all software ever written. This is why, when designing systems, you

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés

[gentoo-user] Re: kde login file ?

2011-09-18 Thread james
Alex Schuster wonko at wonkology.org writes: When you run kde-4 on gentoo and use the kde-login-manager app are the login sessions recorded into a permanent or temporary file? If you want to know, who is logged in and when someone logged in, check the man page for utmp / wtmp. These files

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Ah.  I see now.  So, it mounts proc and sys but that is in the init then it mounts the real root outside the init.  Then it umounts the proc and sys under the init and then switches to the real root and starts init

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 18, 2011 9:50 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: As I keep saying: code talks. Yes, but the developers are quiet with regards to that patch. I can understand if it takes some time to analyse a patch,

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine: post_src_unpack() { epatch_user } Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe to call epatch_user multiple times, so I support no breakages should be expected with

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 14:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: And he's using Audacious - a fork of a gigantic bug nest (mms) . According to his earlier post, it forces dbus to run. Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Indi
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with Audacious), for me. Now, when I upgraded to 2.4.x dbus was forced on me (well, that and Xfce4)... I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 15:31, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Hey, that's really cool. I agree. Just don't expect everybody to run our systems without the modern parts of the stack just because a Commodore 64 cannot run it. I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of modern parts of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread pk
On 2011-09-18 19:41, Indi wrote: Install mpd, mpc, and ncmpc. Read the man pages, live happily ever after. Ok, I'll look into it. Thanks! Best regards Peter K

[gentoo-user] Question about Chromium

2011-09-18 Thread András Csányi
Dear All! I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience. If I open more than 2-3 URL fast way the loading tabs and other already opened pages

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Chromium

2011-09-18 Thread Dale
András Csányi wrote: Dear All! I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience. If I open more than 2-3 URL fast way the loading tabs and other

[gentoo-user] how to install from ISO without burning it

2011-09-18 Thread Harry Putnam
I've been looking around for a way to install gentoo just by plopping an ISO into a known partition,. I'm not getting much from google on this search string: install gentoo directly from iso. Or I should say: I've found a couple of how toos but they involve quite a lot of mumbo jumbo like

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: And he's using Audacious - a fork of a gigantic bug nest (mms) . According to his earlier post, it forces dbus to run. Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a while (I've actually have never

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:13:36 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: ORBit was the GNOME implementation of ORB; I don't remember what KDE used, but I believe it was also ORB based. KDE 2/3 used DCOP, their own IPC as there was no decent standard system at the time. DBus was heavily influenced by

Re: [gentoo-user] how to install from ISO without burning it

2011-09-18 Thread Poncho
On 18.09.2011 21:01, Harry Putnam wrote: I've been looking around for a way to install gentoo just by plopping an ISO into a known partition,. I'm not getting much from google on this search string: install gentoo directly from iso. Or I should say: I've found a couple of how toos

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of modern parts of the stack (as you call it); it's just focused on the things that matters (for an embedded system). It is the mindset that I'm after; it seems even

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:49:21 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: A word of advice when starting from scratch, give your VG(s) unique names. I've seen what happens when someone takes a drive from one Fedora system and puts it in another, so there are two VGs called vg01. It ain't nice (only one

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Chromium

2011-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All! I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience. If I open

[gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread walt
I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the obsolete library. That's what I did. I confess I wasn't watching, so I may have missed

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread walt
On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine: post_src_unpack() { epatch_user } Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe to call epatch_user multiple

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote: On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine: post_src_unpack() { epatch_user } Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:10 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the obsolete library.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread Alex Schuster
Nikos Chantziaras writes: On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote: On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I came across some ebuilds that result in: * QA Notice: command not found: * * /etc/portage/bashrc: line 3: epatch_user: command not found How do I solve

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread Thanasis
on 09/18/2011 11:10 PM walt wrote the following: I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the obsolete library. snip This fixed the

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/18/2011 11:50 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: Nikos Chantziaras writes: On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote: On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I came across some ebuilds that result in: * QA Notice: command not found: * * /etc/portage/bashrc: line 3:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-18 Thread Alex Schuster
Nikos Chantziaras writes: On 09/18/2011 11:50 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: Do these ebuilds also need to apply the patches, or do you just want to get rid of the error message? It's just the error message. Which means this isn't an issue for now. It will become one if one of them will

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread Mick
On Sunday 18 Sep 2011 21:57:29 Thanasis wrote: on 09/18/2011 11:10 PM walt wrote the following: I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Sun, Sep 18 2011, walt wrote: I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the obsolete library. After that I ran plain

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-18 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 17 September 2011 13:44:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: [GUIDs] are not the best thing to work with admittedly, but they are guaranteed to be unique for all reasonable human needs. In a world when we plug things out of anything and plug them back into anything, a guaranteed unique ID is a

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-18 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 17 September 2011 12:34:54 Dale wrote: Does LVM make the heads move around more or anything like that? I'm just thinking it would depending on what lv are on what drives. I dunno, just curious. I haven't thought about that, but my first impression is that LVM won't make any

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:25:44 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: Now I can finally print normally, and removed foo2zjs completely from my computer. Wooohoo. :) What printer do you have. I use foo2zjs with a LaserJet 1022 and thought it was the only way, not that it causes me any problems. -- Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?

2011-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:58:14 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Sep 18 2011, walt wrote: I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run revdep-rebuild --library

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:02:45 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Saturday 17 September 2011 13:44:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: [GUIDs] are not the best thing to work with admittedly, but they are guaranteed to be unique for all reasonable human needs. In a world when we

[gentoo-user] Re: how to install from ISO without burning it

2011-09-18 Thread James
Harry Putnam reader at newsguy.com writes: http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2011/06/boot-livecd-iso-image-from-hdd/305 I can follow that alright but first wanted to make sure there is not a well established mainstream way of doing it. Curious. I was going to attempt an installation directly from a

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 06:59:44PM +0100, Mick wrote The only drawback is the 2 minutes it will take a user the first time this change is introduced to build the initramfs and change the kernel line in grub.conf. I am warming up to this proposal because it seems to me that it will end up

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-18 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 September 2011 12:34:54 Dale wrote: Does LVM make the heads move around more or anything like that? I'm just thinking it would depending on what lv are on what drives. I dunno, just curious. I haven't thought about that, but my first impression is

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:25:44 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: Now I can finally print normally, and removed foo2zjs completely from my computer. Wooohoo. :) What printer do you have. I use foo2zjs with a LaserJet 1022 and