Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: Huh? USE=firmware-loader is optional and enabled by default in sys-fs/udev Futhermore predictable network interface names work as designed, not a

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:17 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 02/08/13 11:01, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: Huh? USE=firmware-loader is optional and enabled by default in sys-fs/udev Futhermore predictable network interface

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 02/08/13 09:06, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:17 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 02/08/13 11:01, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: Huh? USE=firmware-loader is optional and enabled by default in sys-fs/udev

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote: Let's not make this yet another git migration discussion. Sufficient to say, that it is not trivial to implement in Gentoo since we have to migrate history, tools (not just end-user tools, this is also about infra) and a lot of other stuff without breaking

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/08/13 09:06, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:17 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 02/08/13 11:01, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-02 Thread Poncho
On 28.07.2013 10:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping OpenRC from baselayout's post dependencies. Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: hasufell wrote: You can use the command line too. www-client/pybugz I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just another interface og the bugzilla thing. It's

[gentoo-user] Freeze after suspend-to-ram with kernel 3.10

2013-08-02 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Hey list My netbook doesn't freeze so often during operation any more. But now it’s started to not properly wake up from suspend-to-ram. It’s like with my big laptop: when that one runs on nouveau instead of nvidia-drivers, it behaves the very same way, i.e. I switch it on and the screen stays

[gentoo-user] Re: Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Samuli Suominen wrote: Futhermore predictable network interface names work as designed, Unfortunately the design is crap. -- #friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)

[gentoo-user] Re: Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Samuli Suominen wrote: FUD again. The backwards compability is still all there and udev can be built standalone and ran standalone. Sorry I'm going to call bullshit on this one. You know damn well upstream moved udev into systemd, promising everyone it would be possible to continue to build

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-01 5:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: When the version of udev came out that was said to require a init thingy or /usr on /, that is when I switched to eudev. I haven't used the newer versions of udev. I do have this in my kernel config tho: root@fireball / # cat

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 02/08/13, Steven J. Long wrote: Again, I proposed myself to the dev list two times in the past. Nobody cared and I had no answers. Because that has never been the process: anyone can post to the mailing-list, it doesn't mean anything. While I agree it would have been good if

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-01 7:27 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Something like olympus ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.mask =sys-fs/udev-180 ... olympus ~ # olympus ~ # grep udev /etc/portage/package.keywords sys-fs/eudev ~amd64 =virtual/udev-206 ~amd64 olympus ~ # unmerge everything udev

Re: [gentoo-user] Freeze after suspend-to-ram with kernel 3.10

2013-08-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.08.2013 12:47, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Hey list My netbook doesn't freeze so often during operation any more. But now it’s started to not properly wake up from suspend-to-ram. It’s like with my big laptop: when that one runs on nouveau instead of nvidia-drivers, it behaves the very

[gentoo-user] unmerged linux headers

2013-08-02 Thread ciinder
Hello! I got confused and unmerged linux-headers. Now I can't merge anything. Is there any way to recover?

Re: [gentoo-user] unmerged linux headers

2013-08-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/08/2013 13:46, ciin...@lavabit.com wrote: Hello! I got confused and unmerged linux-headers. Now I can't merge anything. Is there any way to recover? Find a backup of linux-headers somewhere[1] and untar it. Then you can emerge again, starting with linux-headers of course [1]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread hasufell
On 08/02/2013 01:16 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: And if you cba to review the basics, stuff most users know, or can find out easily, what makes you think you're cut out to be a developer? Please note I'm not discussing any technical ability you may or may not have with bash, ebuilds or

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Dale
Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/08/13 08:28, Dale wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: Except it isn't because as already explained, eudev makes additional changes on top of udev changes. Which is true. Let's see them. I'll help you:

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/08/2013 14:10, Dale wrote: Here is where we will always differ, I decide on my machine what I use, NOT YOU. Hey Dale, Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back :-) [[ hugz and peace ]] -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-01 5:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: When the version of udev came out that was said to require a init thingy or /usr on /, that is when I switched to eudev. I haven't used the newer versions of udev. I do have this in my kernel config tho:

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 02/08/2013 14:10, Dale wrote: Here is where we will always differ, I decide on my machine what I use, NOT YOU. Hey Dale, Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back :-) [[ hugz and peace ]] This guy is about to enter Lennart territory. I see others have set

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-02 8:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: But what about removing the udev-postmount init script? I guess that is the last question I need answered before jumping down the rabbit hole Sunday... This is what I have for that from rc-update show: udev-postmount |

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-02 8:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: But what about removing the udev-postmount init script? I guess that is the last question I need answered before jumping down the rabbit hole Sunday... This is what I have for that from rc-update show:

Re: [gentoo-user] unmerged linux headers

2013-08-02 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 02/08/2013 13:46, ciin...@lavabit.com wrote: Hello! I got confused and unmerged linux-headers. Now I can't merge anything. Is there any way to recover? Find a backup of linux-headers somewhere[1] and untar it. Then you can emerge again, starting with linux-headers

[gentoo-user] *.h files in gnome applications

2013-08-02 Thread András Csányi
Hi All, I would like to ask some help. I would like to emerge Unity to my system and nautilus is part of it, but the emerge fails with this error message: libtool: compile: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\Eel\ -I.. -I.. -pthread -I/usr/include/gtk-3.0

Re: [gentoo-user] Freeze after suspend-to-ram with kernel 3.10

2013-08-02 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 02.08.2013 12:47, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Hey list My netbook doesn't freeze so often during operation any more. But now it’s started to not properly wake up from suspend-to-ram. It’s like with my

[gentoo-user] Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Maybe a poorly worded question but I seem to recall some advances where framebuffering is being handled differently than my old way. It could be typified by the kernel line used in grub.conf like this one: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb3 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap Or is that still a

[gentoo-user] Re: *.h files in gnome applications

2013-08-02 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 3/08/2013 00:29, András Csányi wrote: I'm in that situation when I don't understand what happens. Where this libgnome-desktop/gnome-desktop-utils.h comes from? It is looking for this file, but it cannot be found. It appears gnome-base/gnome-desktop provides this file, do you have that

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Maybe a poorly worded question but I seem to recall some advances where framebuffering is being handled differently than my old way. It could be typified by the kernel line used in grub.conf like this one: kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 11:45:55AM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Maybe a poorly worded question but I seem to recall some advances where framebuffering is being handled differently than my old way. It could be typified by the kernel line used in grub.conf like this one: kernel /vmlinuz

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: It could be typified by the kernel line used in grub.conf like this one: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb3 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I should have included this information: Kernel is v. 3.8.13, and it is a gentoo install as guest on a windows7

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: *.h files in gnome applications

2013-08-02 Thread András Csányi
On 2 August 2013 17:48, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 3/08/2013 00:29, András Csányi wrote: I'm in that situation when I don't understand what happens. Where this libgnome-desktop/gnome-desktop-utils.h comes from? It is looking for this file, but it cannot be found. It

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes: First: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/uvesafb.txt Second: what card do you use? I haven't taken care of 'First' yet but here is the answer to 'second': Its a virtual box install of gentoo as guest on win7. Apparently this is what the vm

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 01:58:35PM +0200, hasufell wrote: So we are pretty open to new contributors. Nice conclusion! -- Nicolas Sebrecht

[gentoo-user] emerge world output seems a bit short on info

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Working on a new install of gentoo as vm (vbox) guest on win7. Just checking if my partial install is out of date already with. And if a USE change was complicating things. That change was to add -selinux. I added that to make.conf after seeing a selinux pkg flash by when I installed ... I

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world output seems a bit short on info

2013-08-02 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Working on a new install of gentoo as vm (vbox) guest on win7. Just checking if my partial install is out of date already with. And if a USE change was complicating things. That change was to add -selinux. I added that

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Again, I proposed myself to the dev list two times in the past. Nobody cared and I had no answers. Because that has never been the process: anyone can post to the mailing-list, it doesn't mean anything. While I agree it would have been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread hasufell
On 08/02/2013 07:36 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 01:58:35PM +0200, hasufell wrote: So we are pretty open to new contributors. Nice conclusion! Yes. We offer manys way to collaborate and the only real requirement is that people are able to read documentation and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread mehdi chemloul
Le 2 août 2013 13:59, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org a écrit : On 08/02/2013 01:16 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: And if you cba to review the basics, stuff most users know, or can find out easily, what makes you think you're cut out to be a developer? Please note I'm not discussing any

[gentoo-user] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-02 Thread William Hubbs
All, This message is an announcement and a reminder. OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in the next few days. If you are using ~arch OpenRc, the standard disclaimer applies: remember that you might be subject to breakage. I do not know of any breakage personally. It does work

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Any .config for vbox gentoo guest

2013-08-02 Thread Kerin Millar
On 02/08/2013 01:13, walt wrote: On 08/01/2013 03:08 PM, Kerin Millar wrote: On 30/07/2013 22:04, walt wrote: On 07/29/2013 06:29 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone post a .config for a 3.8.13 kernel that is known to work on a vbox install of gentoo as guest. Working on a fresh install but

Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] Re: nvidia-drivers segfault when starting X

2013-08-02 Thread Alexander Puchmayr
On Friday 02 August 2013 02:38:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 01/08/13 23:02, Alexander Puchmayr wrote: Hi there, When I start X (or start kdm), I get a segmentation fault and no X. [...] Kernel 3.8.18, nvidia-drivers 304.88 (Last to support the GeForce7600, newer drivers do not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia-drivers segfault when starting X

2013-08-02 Thread Alexander Puchmayr
On Friday 02 August 2013 02:38:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 01/08/13 23:02, Alexander Puchmayr wrote: Hi there, When I start X (or start kdm), I get a segmentation fault and no X. [...] Kernel 3.8.18, nvidia-drivers 304.88 (Last to support the GeForce7600, newer drivers do not

[gentoo-user] usb printer disappears on cups upgrade

2013-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
I have a long running machine with a local epson usb printer using the kernel lpusb Using cups =1.5.2-r4 I can print ... upgrade to 1.6.2-r* and cups cant see the usb printer. The only errors in the cups log are to do with systemd service files which I masked a couple of days ago - the usb

Re: [gentoo-user] usb printer disappears on cups upgrade

2013-08-02 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 10:23:25AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: I have a long running machine with a local epson usb printer using the kernel lpusb Using cups =1.5.2-r4 I can print ... upgrade to 1.6.2-r* and cups cant see the usb printer. The only errors in the cups log are to do with

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge world output seems a bit short on info

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes: =sys-libs/libselinux-2.1.13-r4 static-libs What profile does your installation have? If I'm not mistaken, only the hardened profiles set USE=selinux by default. Yes, sorry I caught that shortly after posting... In the 'quick install' manual at the

[gentoo-user] Do I really need 194 pkgs to install git?

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
No doubt suffering from overdose of pilot error here but on a new (in progress) install of gentoo as guest in vbox. I ran the command emerge -vp dev-vcs/git and come up with 194 pkgs that need to be installed. Well, that seems just a wee bit excessive for an install just getting underway.. no

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On 02/08/13 19:17, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-01 7:27 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Something like olympus ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.mask =sys-fs/udev-180 ... olympus ~ # olympus ~ # grep udev /etc/portage/package.keywords sys-fs/eudev ~amd64 =virtual/udev-206

Re: [gentoo-user] Freeze after suspend-to-ram with kernel 3.10

2013-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On 02/08/13 18:47, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hey list My netbook doesn't freeze so often during operation any more. But now it’s started to not properly wake up from suspend-to-ram. It’s like with my big laptop: when that one runs on nouveau instead of nvidia-drivers, it behaves the very

Re: [gentoo-user] usb printer disappears on cups upgrade

2013-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On 03/08/13 10:48, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 10:23:25AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: I have a long running machine with a local epson usb printer using the kernel lpusb Using cups =1.5.2-r4 I can print ... upgrade to 1.6.2-r* and cups cant see the usb printer. The only

[gentoo-user] Re: Do I really need 194 pkgs to install git?

2013-08-02 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 03/08/13 06:03, Harry Putnam wrote: No doubt suffering from overdose of pilot error here but on a new (in progress) install of gentoo as guest in vbox. I ran the command emerge -vp dev-vcs/git and come up with 194 pkgs that need to be installed. Try disabling all flags and see where that

[gentoo-user] Where to find the straight dope conf.d/net?

2013-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
I was off gentoo for a few mnths... apparently something has changed in the naming of the network devices. So far I've read several accounts of it... but the install handbook has apparently not been brought up to date. Doing a fresh install, and following the contents of the manual concerning