Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sunday 10 February 2008 02:28:40 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* Alternatively: this sentence no verb. -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On 2/8/08, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sometimes forget that some people actually use XP as an alternate OS (for me it's just there in case I forget how bored with games I am) Well, other than games, Windows can at times prove a useful companion. What's good about it is that after a reboot it often functions exactly as it did after a previous reboot. On Gentoo, you make a system update, your apache glitches: no printing; you mess up with the libraries versions (updating some, others leaving as they are), vlc refuses to start: no DVD menus. I have also not yet managed to configure my HP PSC machine to scan on Gentoo. Once I was playing with the config files, emerging, re-merging to get it working, but I subsequently decided that it was easier to switch to Windows in the rare cases that I need scanning. [All these, of course, were personal examples.] The idea: Windows feels lame, offering however certain functionality out-of-the-box; Gentoo (in combination with Xfce) feels sweet, breaking however too often too easy without much contribution from my side. Liviu -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:46:48 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ Dale :-) :-) http://www.this-page-intentionally-left-blank.org/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ In fact, my .sig is entirely blank. I just always type the same thing by hand after writing every email, and have been doing so for long enough to forget if there was actually a good reason to do so originally. There may have also been a good reason I didn't make it *This .sig intentionally left blank*, which would match the word order of the IBM manuals (and the door in Zork). The IBM manuals actually had a good reason. I think it was that they were in loose-leaf binders so they could mail people new versions of individual chapters, and each chapter was therefore on pieces of paper that weren't shared with any other chapter (this also required page numbers like 6-15). This meant that if a chapter ended on a right-hand page, the other side of the paper couldn't have anything on it. But if it were actually blank, people would worry that it was a misprint (if two sheets stuck together in the printer and then came unstuck before shipping, this could happen). So they wanted to print something innocuous on that side. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Daniel Barkalow wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ In fact, my .sig is entirely blank. I just always type the same thing by hand after writing every email, and have been doing so for long enough to forget if there was actually a good reason to do so originally. There may have also been a good reason I didn't make it *This .sig intentionally left blank*, which would match the word order of the IBM manuals (and the door in Zork). The IBM manuals actually had a good reason. I think it was that they were in loose-leaf binders so they could mail people new versions of individual chapters, and each chapter was therefore on pieces of paper that weren't shared with any other chapter (this also required page numbers like 6-15). This meant that if a chapter ended on a right-hand page, the other side of the paper couldn't have anything on it. But if it were actually blank, people would worry that it was a misprint (if two sheets stuck together in the printer and then came unstuck before shipping, this could happen). So they wanted to print something innocuous on that side. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* This is funny, I used to put the IBM manuals together in my spare time. LOL That was how they did it too. You get a new fresh one and they just updated the pages that were changed. I used to also try to figure out what was changed. Saw a couple that had typos. Most of the time it was a serious change. I guess they made changes to the boards so that led to the manual being changed too. I also worked in a print shop. So yea, the pages can stick together sometimes. I've had it happen to me a few times. Humidity in the south makes them sticky. Memories. . . . . Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Friday 08 February 2008, Dale wrote: Dan Farrell wrote: You should join me then. All I have is Linux. I have NEVER bought a M$ product, ever. I built this rig and put Linux on it. I have never looked back either. What is this Microsoft of which you speak? I have never heard of such a thing. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Dan Farrell wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:34:07 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the point of the question was to avoid waiting for the GRUB menu to appear. I sometimes forget that some people actually use XP as an alternate OS (for me it's just there in case I forget how bored with games I am) You should join me then. All I have is Linux. I have NEVER bought a M$ product, ever. I built this rig and put Linux on it. I have never looked back either. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:14:02 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: I sometimes forget that some people actually use XP as an alternate OS XP is a valid alternate OS... to Vista :) -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, as Smurfette got dressed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:34:07 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the point of the question was to avoid waiting for the GRUB menu to appear. I sometimes forget that some people actually use XP as an alternate OS (for me it's just there in case I forget how bored with games I am) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 08 February 2008, Dale wrote: Dan Farrell wrote: You should join me then. All I have is Linux. I have NEVER bought a M$ product, ever. I built this rig and put Linux on it. I have never looked back either. What is this Microsoft of which you speak? I have never heard of such a thing. They were a late 80s mouse manufacturer. I had one of their products, and it was actually kind of nice. It only had two buttons, though, so it wouldn't be good these days. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:20:47 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: I was thinking, though; wouldn't it be possible to just switch back and forth each boot? Have grub set windows as the default when it boots linux and linux as the default after booting windows, That would make installing new drivers in Windows even more of a pain, doubling the number of reboots needed :( -- Neil Bothwick Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl mistakes. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Neil Bothwick wrote: | That would make installing new drivers in Windows even more of a pain, | doubling the number of reboots needed :( Not really, you can always change the default option by using the cursor keys in the grub boot menu. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman The Charlie Protas Project is on its way Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHqGRAAlpOsGhXcE0RCtdvAJ9K/osoUtiY2KsGNLq17YeuC5hN+QCdHSJx 2aF31XZPXpQosACmAjCR4sE= =Bq8P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:27:28 -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: | That would make installing new drivers in Windows even more of a pain, | doubling the number of reboots needed :( Not really, you can always change the default option by using the cursor keys in the grub boot menu. I thought the point of the question was to avoid waiting for the GRUB menu to appear. -- Neil Bothwick It's the year 2000. Where are all the flying cars? I was promised flying cars! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sunday 03 Feb 2008 20:50:47 Dan Farrell wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:44:59 +0100 Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for their respective input. From the information provided, I've assembled a short Gentoo Wiki Tip [1]. Regards, Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Reboot_to_Windows_(using_grub) Thanks; I've been wanting to do this for months now, but failed to write up a coherent message to the list. Now I can finally reboot with ease and walk away, without having to mess with quickly switching grub (being impatient and having a short attention span, similar as they may be, are, in conjunction, quite an obstacle for multi-booters ;) ) I was thinking, though; wouldn't it be possible to just switch back and forth each boot? Have grub set windows as the default when it boots linux and linux as the default after booting windows, and you can just switch back and forth by rebooting - no grub-set-default required. However, this would be appropriate only for people who want to reboot into the other OS every time they reboot. info grub Look for savedefault. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:44:59 +0100 Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for their respective input. From the information provided, I've assembled a short Gentoo Wiki Tip [1]. Regards, Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Reboot_to_Windows_(using_grub) Thanks; I've been wanting to do this for months now, but failed to write up a coherent message to the list. Now I can finally reboot with ease and walk away, without having to mess with quickly switching grub (being impatient and having a short attention span, similar as they may be, are, in conjunction, quite an obstacle for multi-booters ;) ) I was thinking, though; wouldn't it be possible to just switch back and forth each boot? Have grub set windows as the default when it boots linux and linux as the default after booting windows, and you can just switch back and forth by rebooting - no grub-set-default required. However, this would be appropriate only for people who want to reboot into the other OS every time they reboot. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On 2 Feb 2008, at 12:57, Liviu Andronic wrote: ... With the current setup, however, I need to press the restart button (in Xfce), wait patiently till the computer restarts, wait for the grub screen and change the option before the 5 seconds time-out expires. I find annoying when I miss out the time-out, because of my going away from the computer screen. Basically, I would like to issue a command (restart with a certain grub temporary setup change), go make myself a cup of tee and come back and see the Windows login screen. One answer to this is to change the default entry in /boot/grub/ grub.conf If you don't want to do this manually using $editor each time you want to start Windows then you could surely write a script which would do so. In order to change /boot/grub/grub.conf from Windows you would need to install an ext3-write driver for 'doze or format your / boot partition FAT32. Surely one could easily write a script which would change the default entry in /boot/grub/grub.conf. In order to change it back one would probably need to have it also write a /boot/grub/ my.next.boot.txt file, too, and have start-up scripts under each o/s to recognise that once again edit /boot/grub/grub.conf. I do not think such a facility is built-in to grub. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Saturday 02 Feb 2008 18:27:55 Liviu Andronic wrote: Basically, I would like to issue a command (restart with a certain grub temporary setup change), go make myself a cup of tee and come back and see the Windows login screen. info grub Look for grub-set-default. What I've done is to add the default entry in grub.conf normally. After every menu entry, I've added `savedefault 0'. Then when rebooting, you could issue a `grub-set-default foo', it'll reboot into that entry without you having to wait. If KDE has grub support, it'll allow you to pick which entry to boot into with the restart button. HTH -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
On Saturday 2 February 2008, Stroller wrote: One answer to this is to change the default entry in /boot/grub/ grub.conf If you don't want to do this manually using $editor each time you want to start Windows then you could surely write a script which would do so. In order to change /boot/grub/grub.conf from Windows you would need to install an ext3-write driver for 'doze or format your / boot partition FAT32. Surely one could easily write a script which would change the default entry in /boot/grub/grub.conf. In order to change it back one would probably need to have it also write a /boot/grub/ my.next.boot.txt file, too, and have start-up scripts under each o/s to recognise that once again edit /boot/grub/grub.conf. I do not think such a facility is built-in to grub. There is the savedefault command, which can be used to boot an OS only once while keeping the original OS as default, thus booting the original OS the next time. It's explained in the grub info file. So, I suppose the OP could write a wrapper script to /sbin/shutdown which does a grub-set-default to boot windows once. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Liviu Andronic writes: I was wondering if anyone knew how (whether) it is possible to set temporary options to grub. [...] Basically, I would like to issue a command (restart with a certain grub temporary setup change), go make myself a cup of tee and come back and see the Windows login screen. grub-set-default n N is the number of the entry in grub.conf, counting from 0. So, if you have 2 entries only, grub-set-default 1 would activate the 2nd entry, probably windows. You need to have the line default saved in grub.conf for this to work. See info grub, section Invoking grub-set-default:: for more infomation. Wonko -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Thanks all for their respective input. From the information provided, I've assembled a short Gentoo Wiki Tip [1]. Regards, Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Reboot_to_Windows_(using_grub) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
