Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org writes:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:43:12PM +0200, lee wrote
That leaves the question why a user who isn't even logged in should
be able to reboot, which IIRC they can by default with Ctrl+Alt+Del.
Such users shouldn't be allowed to do anything but to log in.
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:32:21 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 03:30:07PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
With TPM, full-disk encryption, and a verified boot path, you could
actually protect against that scenario (they'd have to tear apart the
TPM chip and try to access the
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:52:14 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Be careful what you wish for. I have my doubts that TPM chips would
boot linux with Microsoft offering volume discounts to OEMS. Call me
cynical.
TPM chips
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:52:14 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Be careful what you wish for. I have my doubts that TPM chips would
boot linux with
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 03:30:07PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
With TPM, full-disk encryption, and a verified boot path, you could
actually protect against that scenario (they'd have to tear apart the
TPM chip and try to access the non-volatile storage directly, and the
chips are specifically
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Be careful what you wish for. I have my doubts that TPM chips would
boot linux with Microsoft offering volume discounts to OEMS. Call me
cynical.
TPM chips don't control what boots. They just accept the hash of
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Jorge Almeida jjalme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
and dump people keep talking nonsencely that sysvinit is enough while it
cannot even handle reboot for normal user. sad.
it can.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
and dump people keep talking nonsencely that sysvinit is enough while it
cannot even handle reboot for normal user. sad.
it can. Did for decaded.
Dumb systemd fanbois spouting their lies everywhere.
Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk writes:
The remaining question is: why is the user not allowed to halt it?
It's because a user who wants to somewhat permanently disrupt the
services the machine provides would need to remain at the keyboard to
continue to reboot it and thus can be caught
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:46 schrieb microcai:
on Saturday 21 March 2015 13:58:45，Canek Peláez Valdés wrote：
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:43:12PM +0200, lee wrote
That leaves the question why a user who isn't even logged in should
be able to reboot, which IIRC they can by default with Ctrl+Alt+Del.
Such users shouldn't be allowed to do anything but to log in.
As the old saying goes... If you don't
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:43:12PM +0200, lee wrote
That leaves the question why a user who isn't even logged in should
be able to reboot, which IIRC they can by default with Ctrl+Alt+Del.
Such users shouldn't be
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:53 PM, microcai micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
on Sunday 22 March 2015 02:32:00，German wrote：
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
then it's high time for you to trash away sysvint and openrc, and try
systemd!!!
I doubt that Fedora developers and users
on Saturday 21 March 2015 13:58:45，Canek Peláez Valdés wrote：
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the old answer would be that you need
on Sunday 22 March 2015 02:32:00，German wrote：
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:51:58 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:58:42 PM German wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:32:25 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
150321
German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I
run poweroff from user -- command not found. How to shut down the
system from user? Thanks
I modified a line in /etc/inittab so that I can shutdown my system
as user with Ctrl+Alt+Del:
#
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
The remaining question is: why is the user not allowed to halt it?
Keep in mind there are many ways that a unix-like OS can be used. It
could be running on a laptop, or it could be running on a multi-user
system
On 23 March 2015 at 10:46, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Sunday 22 March 2015 14:36:36 Jc García wrote:
2015-03-22 4:30 GMT-06:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk:
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:20:17 Jc García wrote:
Interesting. But as I said ealier, I can reboot
just security problem. server should not be that easy to be interrupted!
在2015年03月23日 17:46，Peter Humphrey 写道:
On Sunday 22 March 2015 14:36:36 Jc García wrote:
2015-03-22 4:30 GMT-06:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk:
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:20:17 Jc García wrote:
Interesting.
On Sunday 22 March 2015 14:36:36 Jc García wrote:
2015-03-22 4:30 GMT-06:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk:
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:20:17 Jc García wrote:
Interesting. But as I said ealier, I can reboot the system when I am
a
user by Ctrl+Alt+Delete. The user can reboot the
On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:11, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:06 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:30:49 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:35:49 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:30:49 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:35:46 AM Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:31, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22,
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:35:46 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:31, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
Did you read any of the previous messages?
On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:31, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:20:17 Jc García wrote:
Interesting. But as I said ealier, I can reboot the system when I am a
user by Ctrl+Alt+Delete. The user can reboot the system, but can't shut
down? Strange
It's not strange, `man 2 reboot`. It's a defined behavior.
I'm with German here.
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
Did you read any of the previous messages?
On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:30, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:30:49 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:47:13 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:30:49 AM German wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 03:19:50 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:06:59 AM German
2015-03-22 4:30 GMT-06:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk:
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:20:17 Jc García wrote:
Interesting. But as I said ealier, I can reboot the system when I am a
user by Ctrl+Alt+Delete. The user can reboot the system, but can't shut
down? Strange
It's not strange,
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:51:58 -0400
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:58:42 PM German wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:32:25 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
150321 German wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
Did you read any of the previous messages? They told you that you have to have
consolekit and polkit installed and configured for this to work! Also the use
of sudo is another choice.
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
Did you read any of the previous messages? They told you that you have to
have consolekit and polkit
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:06 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:49:54 +0200
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:32, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
/sbin/poweroff says Must be a superuser :(
Did you read any of the
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 03:30:49AM -0400, German wrote
Thanks, I decide to go with sudo on this one. However when I try
to run it, it says: Username is not in the sudoers file. Where is
this file located and how can I add the user to it? Thanks
Here's how it works. emerge -pv sudo and
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 21:34:51 +0200
Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:26 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I run
poweroff from user -- command not found. How to shut down the
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:26:56 PM German wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I run
poweroff from user -- command not found. How to shut down the system from user?
Thanks
The command not found part is because /sbin and /usr/sbin and on gentoo it's
2015-03-21 14:01 GMT-06:00 German gentger...@gmail.com:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:47:16 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the old answer would be that you need to
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the old answer would be that you need to use sudo to run it, as
shutting down is a privileged operation.
I suspect that the new answer is that with appropriate
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the old answer would be that you need to use sudo to run it, as
shutting down is a privileged
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:26 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I run
poweroff from user -- command not found. How to shut down the
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:47:16 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:39 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I am trying to shutdown from a console
Well, the old answer would be that you need to use sudo to run it, as
shutting down is a privileged
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:26 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I run
poweroff from user -- command not found. How to shut down the system from
user? Thanks
--
German gentger...@gmail.com
poweroff(1) says:
If you're
150321 German wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down.
When I run poweroff from user -- command not found.
How to shut down the system from user ?
I'ld say Don't : it's contrary to the principles of Unix,
which separate the roles of sysadmin (root) from those of ordinary
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
I'ld say Don't : it's contrary to the principles of Unix,
which separate the roles of sysadmin (root) from those of ordinary users.
There are a couple of schools of thought there. One that differs from
what you
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:32:25 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
150321 German wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down.
When I run poweroff from user -- command not found.
How to shut down the system from user ?
I'ld say Don't : it's contrary to the
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:35:44 PM Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:26 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down, however when I
Interesting. But as I said ealier, I can reboot the system when I am a user
by Ctrl+Alt+Delete. The user can reboot the system, but can't shut down?
Strange
It's not strange, `man 2 reboot`. It's a defined behavior.
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:58:42 PM German wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:32:25 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
150321 German wrote:
If I run poweroff from root, the system shuts down.
When I run poweroff from user -- command not found.
How to shut down the system
Ctrl-Alt-Del can be set to do what you want.
I have this in my /etc/inittab:
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -P now
This way Ctrl-Alt-Del calls power off instead of reboot.
So to shutdown I just exit from Openbox and press Ctrl-Alt-Del.
-- Emanuele Rusconi
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 11:52:45 PM Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
Ctrl-Alt-Del can be set to do what you want.
I have this in my /etc/inittab:
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -P now
This way Ctrl-Alt-Del calls power off instead of reboot.
So to shutdown I just exit from Openbox and
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