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On Friday 12 June 2009 22:24:29 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 21:56:04 schrieb Alan McKinnon: There's a few guidlelines one can give (but only a few). The variables tend to be large than the amounts with guidelines though. /var/tmp/portage should be at least 1G on a modern system, 6G+ if building mozilla stuff and OOo is something you intend to do. BTW: OOo 3.1 seems to raise the bar to 8.5G. So it's getting worse... I have 6.5G free in /var and rebuilt latest OOo recently. My USE for OOo is pretty restrictive though - no gnome, kde, mono -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:56:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: /var/tmp/portage should be at least 1G on a modern system, 6G+ if building mozilla stuff and OOo is something you intend to do. IMO PORTAGE_TMPDIR should not be on such an important filesystem as /var. Having system programs unable to function properly when they cannot write to logfiles because you OOo emerge has filled the filesystem is not good. A separate filesystem for this, using either ext2 or tmpfs is a safer, and faster, option -- Neil Bothwick Happiness is merely the remission of pain. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Alexander Pilipovsky schrieb: bn and KH, exuse me if I send not a good question, I have no many experience yet :) That's where all of us started on day ;-) kh
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bn schrieb: Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m. That's only if situation x is constant and absolutely known to the one replying. But then it might not be of any use for somebody else. Most likely there will not be a second person with the exact same situation x around. Also I learn a lot by following the way to the solution. Like give me the formula and not the answer and next time I can search for everything myself. kh
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On Friday 12 June 2009 12:48:24 KH wrote: bn schrieb: Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m. That's only if situation x is constant and absolutely known to the one replying. But then it might not be of any use for somebody else. Most likely there will not be a second person with the exact same situation x around. Also I learn a lot by following the way to the solution. Like give me the formula and not the answer and next time I can search for everything myself. The original question was how big should /var be? and the correct answer to that question is mu (google it) If we had the output of df -h and du -sh /var/* plus a description of what the machine actually does, some general advice could be given to the OP. As it stands with the information given, the only useful answer is you'll have to work that out yourself which is what I said right back at the beginning. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Friday 12 June 2009, 12:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: The original question was how big should /var be? and the correct answer to that question is mu (google it) If we had the output of df -h and du -sh /var/* plus a description of what the machine actually does, some general advice could be given to the OP. As it stands with the information given, the only useful answer is you'll have to work that out yourself which is what I said right back at the beginning. The OP might be a newbie with little or no idea of how things work in a mailing list like this. Instead of the you'll have to work that out yourself answer, which is a correct answer strictly speaking, but not very useful to the OP, one could have asked can you provide more information on this and that, so people can help you better? And please, in the future, remember that the more information you provide, the better answer you are likely to get. (which, btw, is what you did anyway in later replies). That would be a more useful answer imho, because it will educate (or try to educate) the OP a little more, which hopefully will result in him asking questions in a better way in the future. Just my 2c.
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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Friday 12 June 2009, 12:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: The original question was how big should /var be? and the correct answer to that question is mu (google it) If we had the output of df -h and du -sh /var/* plus a description of what the machine actually does, some general advice could be given to the OP. As it stands with the information given, the only useful answer is you'll have to work that out yourself which is what I said right back at the beginning. The OP might be a newbie with little or no idea of how things work in a mailing list like this. Instead of the you'll have to work that out yourself answer, which is a correct answer strictly speaking, but not very useful to the OP, one could have asked can you provide more information on this and that, so people can help you better? And please, in the future, remember that the more information you provide, the better answer you are likely to get. (which, btw, is what you did anyway in later replies). That would be a more useful answer imho, because it will educate (or try to educate) the OP a little more, which hopefully will result in him asking questions in a better way in the future. Just my 2c. Alan's point is, there is no way for us to know that. Example, I sometimes use http-replicator on my machine which is placed in /var. Therefore, that alone could need 2 to 3GBs. If you use ccache, then add some more. Also, doesn't portage use /vat to compile? If so, then that is some more space that would be needed. Does the person use OOo from source or binary? Is this a web server of some sort? Is it going to be used for a DVR type system? A even better question would be this, how much space does the OP have to begin with? I have two 80GB drives. The OP may have some huge 300GB drive. I dont' have any idea what the answer to most of those are so no one really can answer the question yet. Dale :-) :-)
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On Friday 12 June 2009 18:05:29 Dale wrote: Alan's point is, there is no way for us to know that. Example, I sometimes use http-replicator on my machine which is placed in /var. Therefore, that alone could need 2 to 3GBs. If you use ccache, then add some more. Also, doesn't portage use /vat to compile? If so, then that is some more space that would be needed. Does the person use OOo from source or binary? Is this a web server of some sort? Is it going to be used for a DVR type system? There's a few guidlelines one can give (but only a few). The variables tend to be large than the amounts with guidelines though. /var/tmp/portage should be at least 1G on a modern system, 6G+ if building mozilla stuff and OOo is something you intend to do. portage cache is about 200M ccache needs as much space as it was given in make.conf /var/mail or /var/spool/mail is completely dependant on number of user and how much mail they get. Often none for a desktop and huge amounts for a mail store. mysql and postgres need as much as the amount of data intended to be stored. log space is very big or not too much depending on what you do. So. The partition holding /var needs at least 1.5G on a modern gentoo system, probably more, sometimes LOTS more. Only the admin knows how much more and there is no silver bullet answer no matter how much users ask for one. Explaining why there is no simple bullet answer is pointless as google already knows where everyone else already answered that. Years of bitter hard experience ramming my head against n00b user expectations has taught me never to hint at an answer - anything I say gets taken as gospel truth and a bunch of folk are now going to read this and interpret it as saying Alan says /var must be 1.5G. How much swap space? is another such question. Perhaps a better first answer than Only you know that is Only you know that and you need to know how to calculate it. You find that out by reading the fine manual. We're in Unix land here. As such, my answers thus far are totally appropriate. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 21:56:04 schrieb Alan McKinnon: There's a few guidlelines one can give (but only a few). The variables tend to be large than the amounts with guidelines though. /var/tmp/portage should be at least 1G on a modern system, 6G+ if building mozilla stuff and OOo is something you intend to do. BTW: OOo 3.1 seems to raise the bar to 8.5G. portage cache is about 200M ccache needs as much space as it was given in make.conf /var/mail or /var/spool/mail is completely dependant on number of user and how much mail they get. Often none for a desktop and huge amounts for a mail store. mysql and postgres need as much as the amount of data intended to be stored. log space is very big or not too much depending on what you do. And, not to forget, one can always either resize it later (if LVM is used) or simply mount more space below /var, which also gives the opportunity to use different filesystems, depending on what kind of data is stored. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style partitions ;) Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style partitions ;) Bye... Dirk and others don't suggest it because it easily breaks.
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KH ha scritto: I totaly do agree with you. There has been nothing indicated to give a one out of one answer. In case someone is a noob, ( I am still one because I don't no anything about how everything is working) what you just wrote is the answer. Like what are your needs and what resurces do you have? Like I don't think it was something like do my homework but more like I don't even know what to look for. At least telling him what to look for would be useful. I for example still have no idea, and it's after reading this thread that I checked the size of my /var directory for the first time in 5 years. Often googling for something is leading to lists where absolutly no help can be found because someone writes something like: what can I do. secend replays like: do A. Frst: cool this did it for me. In the end nobody else can use this solution because it is just not EXACT. Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m.
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bn and KH, exuse me if I send not a good question, I have no many experience yet :) bn wrote: KH ha scritto: I totaly do agree with you. There has been nothing indicated to give a one out of one answer. In case someone is a noob, ( I am still one because I don't no anything about how everything is working) what you just wrote is the answer. Like what are your needs and what resurces do you have? Like I don't think it was something like do my homework but more like I don't even know what to look for. At least telling him what to look for would be useful. I for example still have no idea, and it's after reading this thread that I checked the size of my /var directory for the first time in 5 years. Often googling for something is leading to lists where absolutly no help can be found because someone writes something like: what can I do. secend replays like: do A. Frst: cool this did it for me. In the end nobody else can use this solution because it is just not EXACT. Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m. -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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2009/6/11 Alexander Pilipovsky alexander.pilipov...@gmail.com: bn and KH, exuse me if I send not a good question, I have no many experience yet :) (try to avoid top-posts in this mailing list) I think it has already been suggested: Use logrotate to keep your logs down to a sensible size. Also, you may want to empty ccache if you have it enabled. ccache -C will clear it out completely. My /var/tmp is around 886M, half of which is taken up by ccache at this moment in time. HTH. -- Regards, Mick
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Alexander Pilipovsky schrieb: I cannot understand whats doing... :( All day smbd loaded my CPU and now GNOME said me, that I have not free space on /! Really, sh-3.2# df -h Файлова система Розм Вик Дост Вик% змонтований на /dev/sda2 28G 28G 0 100% / udev 10M 192K 9,9M 2% /dev /dev/sda5 50G 34G 14G 71% /home /dev/sda6 50G 17G 31G 36% /media/From /dev/sda7 130G 110G 13G 90% /media/Different /dev/sdb5 291G 274G 3,1G 99% /media/Large /dev/sdb6 138G 39G 93G 30% /media/Library /dev/sdb7 9,7G 5,4G 3,8G 60% /media/Crypt shm 2,5G 0 2,5G 0% /dev/shm but if I see on every separate folder, I cannot get 28 GB of loaded space (I had 15 GB free yesterday). sh-3.2# du -hs /opt 2,5G /opt sh-3.2# du -hs /bin 5,7M /bin sh-3.2# du -hs /dev 192K /dev sh-3.2# du -hs /root 1,4M /root sh-3.2# du -hs /tmp 30K /tmp sh-3.2# du -hs /var 12G /var sh-3.2# du -hs /boot 35M /boot sh-3.2# du -hs /etc 11M /etc sh-3.2# du -hs /lib 35M /lib sh-3.2# du -hs /mnt 0 /mnt sh-3.2# du -hs /sbin 5,9M /sbin sh-3.2# du -hs /sys 0 /sys The last install is Qt Creator with Qt SDK. How to clean partition? Thanks! -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver You have something big in /var. Check /var/tmp/portage or /var/log. Alos test sys-fs/ncdu or similar tools. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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2009/6/10 Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net Alexander Pilipovsky schrieb: You have something big in /var. Check /var/tmp/portage or /var/log. Alos test sys-fs/ncdu or similar tools. Thanks, it's was /var/log/messages that had 11 GB and was not opened by any editor. -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver
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Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: I cannot understand whats doing... :( All day smbd loaded my CPU and now GNOME said me, that I have not free space on /! Really, sh-3.2# df -h Файлова система Розм Вик Дост Вик% змонтований на /dev/sda2 28G 28G 0 100% / udev 10M 192K 9,9M 2% /dev /dev/sda5 50G 34G 14G 71% /home /dev/sda6 50G 17G 31G 36% /media/From /dev/sda7 130G 110G 13G 90% /media/Different /dev/sdb5 291G 274G 3,1G 99% /media/Large /dev/sdb6 138G 39G 93G 30% /media/Library /dev/sdb7 9,7G 5,4G 3,8G 60% /media/Crypt shm 2,5G 0 2,5G 0% /dev/shm but if I see on every separate folder, I cannot get 28 GB of loaded space (I had 15 GB free yesterday). sh-3.2# du -hs /opt 2,5G /opt sh-3.2# du -hs /bin 5,7M /bin sh-3.2# du -hs /dev 192K /dev sh-3.2# du -hs /root 1,4M /root sh-3.2# du -hs /tmp 30K /tmp sh-3.2# du -hs /var 12G /var sh-3.2# du -hs /boot 35M /boot sh-3.2# du -hs /etc 11M /etc sh-3.2# du -hs /lib 35M /lib sh-3.2# du -hs /mnt 0 /mnt sh-3.2# du -hs /sbin 5,9M /sbin sh-3.2# du -hs /sys 0 /sys The last install is Qt Creator with Qt SDK. How to clean partition? Thanks! -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver If you unmount /home, does any file show up under /home then? Keep in mind, if you have files in for example /home then mount a new partition on /home, the old files are still on the root partition. It just mount /home on top of the old file on the root partition. I'm assuming the /media/* directories are CD, DVD or some other removable media? If not, unmount those and check to see if anything is hiding under there. Hope this helps. Dale :-) :-)
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Alexander Pilipovskyalexander.pilipov...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/10 Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net Alexander Pilipovsky schrieb: You have something big in /var. Check /var/tmp/portage or /var/log. Alos test sys-fs/ncdu or similar tools. Thanks, it's was /var/log/messages that had 11 GB and was not opened by any editor. I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. I changed my logger from syslog-ng to metalog, which suppresses duplicates, and now it's not a problem.
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Dale написав(ла): Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: If you unmount /home, does any file show up under /home then? Keep in mind, if you have files in for example /home then mount a new partition on /home, the old files are still on the root partition. It just mount /home on top of the old file on the root partition. I'm assuming the /media/* directories are CD, DVD or some other removable media? If not, unmount those and check to see if anything is hiding under there. Hope this helps. Dale :-) :-) Thanks, really, it may be... I wrote DVD a few hours ago and after reboot with unmounting all partitions all O'k. -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Paul Hartman написав(ла): On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Alexander Pilipovskyalexander.pilipov...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/10 Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net Alexander Pilipovsky schrieb: You have something big in /var. Check /var/tmp/portage or /var/log. Alos test sys-fs/ncdu or similar tools. Thanks, it's was /var/log/messages that had 11 GB and was not opened by any editor. I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. I changed my logger from syslog-ng to metalog, which suppresses duplicates, and now it's not a problem. Thanks, I'm going to install metalog :) -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Bye... Dirk -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Dirk Heinrichs schrieb: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Bye... Dirk Well something creating that much messages is just buggi! The cpu will be on havy duty no diffrence where /var is mounted. This is a bug which should not happen. kh
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Dirk Heinrichsdirk.heinri...@online.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Next time I build a computer I will for sure :) For now I have 3 partitions, /, /boot and /home
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Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 21:56:21 schrieb KH: Well something creating that much messages is just buggi! The cpu will be on havy duty no diffrence where /var is mounted. This is a bug which should not happen. But if it happens, it only fills /var! Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:50:27 Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? As much as you need. There's only one person who can determine that. That person is you. Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Bye... Dirk -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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KH wrote: Dirk Heinrichs schrieb: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 20:55:16 schrieb Paul Hartman: I had a similar problem, 100% cpu usage caused by a daemon that did not respond well when network connection was lost. My /var/log/messages grew over 60GB in a few hours with the same message repeated tens of millions of times. Well, that's the reason you should put /var on its own partition/logical volume. Bye... Dirk Well something creating that much messages is just buggi! The cpu will be on havy duty no diffrence where /var is mounted. This is a bug which should not happen. kh My messages file gets huge sometimes too. Usually when hal or something doesn't unmount the DVD drive and it just spits out error after error about every two seconds. Let's not get started on how buggy hal is. That could turn into a huge thread for sure and could lead to discussions about xorg-server and the recent upgrade. Dale :-) :-)
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On Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:50:27 Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? As much as you need. There's only one person who can determine that. That person is you. my /var is 36gb in size. But I also have portage and packages in /var - to keep the fragmentation of / down ... I still have more than 20gb free but I use reiser4+compression.
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Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 22:49:39 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: my /var is 36gb in size. Mine has only 2. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:50:27 Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? As much as you need. There's only one person who can determine that. That person is you. Hi, I am sorry but I think if someone asks about an opinion here, writing something like: that's all you desision, gentoo is not taking your hand for anything is not helpful at all. We all know that our systems are fit to our personal needs. So every system is different. But asking should leed to something like: consider this, consider that ... kh
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 23:24:50 KH wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:50:27 Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? As much as you need. There's only one person who can determine that. That person is you. Hi, I am sorry but I think if someone asks about an opinion here, writing something like: that's all you desision, gentoo is not taking your hand for anything is not helpful at all. We all know that our systems are fit to our personal needs. So every system is different. But asking should leed to something like: consider this, consider that ... And how EXACTLY do you want me to answer the original question? Be specific, You should have done blash responses don't help anyone. The question only has vague guidelines for answers and is totally install- and need-dependant. Do keep in mind that the original is a do my homework for me question and my reply was designed to get the OP to look for himself. He didn't even post how big his current /var is or what his machine is used for or even which logs he'd like to have and keep. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovskyalexander.pilipov...@gmail.com wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? This depends on your usage, of course, and for what purpose you expect to use /var. If you run a server with lots of logs, like a high-traffic web server, you may want to ensure /var/log is in a place with enough room. I use logrotate to archive and compress log files so they don't take up too much space. In my case I have my temp dir as /var/tmp (i think this is the default location), so things like ripping/encoding/burning a DVD image can use sometimes near 25G of temp space. Portage will also use (again, as default) for its temp dir, so any aborted compile sessions and giant packages like OpenOffice will need sufficient space as well. KDE pixmap cache is using 1.5G in my user's tmp directory alone. And of course portage itself stores the packages cache there. All of the above can be changed, of course, or links/mounted to different drives/partitions I think the rule of thumb that applies is: calculate the greatest amount of space you would ever realistically need and then double it. :)
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
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Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch 10 Juni 2009 22:49:39 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: my /var is 36gb in size. Mine has only 2. Bye... Dirk Mine is about 300MBs right now. It has been 1GB before tho. This is a desktop rig so no server stuff here. Dale :-) :-)
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Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Wednesday 10 June 2009 23:24:50 KH wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:50:27 Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? As much as you need. There's only one person who can determine that. That person is you. Hi, I am sorry but I think if someone asks about an opinion here, writing something like: that's all you desision, gentoo is not taking your hand for anything is not helpful at all. We all know that our systems are fit to our personal needs. So every system is different. But asking should leed to something like: consider this, consider that ... And how EXACTLY do you want me to answer the original question? Be specific, You should have done blash responses don't help anyone. The question only has vague guidelines for answers and is totally install- and need-dependant. Do keep in mind that the original is a do my homework for me question and my reply was designed to get the OP to look for himself. He didn't even post how big his current /var is or what his machine is used for or even which logs he'd like to have and keep. Hi, I totaly do agree with you. There has been nothing indicated to give a one out of one answer. In case someone is a noob, ( I am still one because I don't no anything about how everything is working) what you just wrote is the answer. Like what are your needs and what resurces do you have? Like I don't think it was something like do my homework but more like I don't even know what to look for. This list is realy helpful. I am often searching answers or learn by reading but sometimes it is just infront of someone not even knowing it is there. The OP said nothing and this is what could be replyed. Like You said nothing. Often googling for something is leading to lists where absolutly no help can be found because someone writes something like: what can I do. secend replays like: do A. Frst: cool this did it for me. In the end nobody else can use this solution because it is just not EXACT. So you are right. kh
