Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Andrew Lowe]

Whoops, big mistake on my part. I misread the threading of the original
email and credited the idea to Alan Mc Kinnon. The credit should go to
Rich Freeman.

Sorry Rich,

Andrew


On 10/10/2015 06:56 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote:
> On 10/03/2015 06:41 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon  
>> wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote:
 Hi all,
   I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with
 respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic
 desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one
 thing that comes immediately to mind.

   Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The
 problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few
 more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in
 kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can
 live with, but not the whole desktop environment?
>>>
>>> Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have
>>> deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required.
>>
>> It is easier than that.
>>
>> Edit your /var/lib/portage/world
>> Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such
>> as kde-meta
>> Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite
>> Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta
>>
>> Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away.
>>
>> No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time
>> to rebuild just to add it back.  Let the dependency manager help you
>> out for a change.  :)
>>
>> I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta -
>> other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of
>> that.  Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid
>> of before going that route.  Software may-or-may not work correctly
>> without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as
>> invalid.  That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for
>> situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a
>> lot of stuff in.
>>
> 
>   Closing my original question, I followed Alan's advice, fiddled the
> world file, and whilst not exactly "hey presto", a few emerge's, some
> hand manipulation of a few files and eventually it worked.
> 
>   It's a bit of a jump, I'd become quite used to Dolphin and whilst
> pcmanfm likes to think of itself as a dolphin replacement, it's a long
> long way from being so. There is no autohide of the task bar, no
> slideshow wallpaper option, I still can't work out automounting of usb's
> and plenty more to keep you on your toes.
> 
>   So thanks for all of your suggestions.
> 
>   Andrew
> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Andrew Lowe]

On 10/03/2015 06:41 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon  wrote:
>> On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>   I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with
>>> respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic
>>> desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one
>>> thing that comes immediately to mind.
>>>
>>>   Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The
>>> problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few
>>> more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in
>>> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can
>>> live with, but not the whole desktop environment?
>>
>> Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have
>> deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required.
> 
> It is easier than that.
> 
> Edit your /var/lib/portage/world
> Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such
> as kde-meta
> Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite
> Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta
> 
> Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away.
> 
> No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time
> to rebuild just to add it back.  Let the dependency manager help you
> out for a change.  :)
> 
> I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta -
> other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of
> that.  Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid
> of before going that route.  Software may-or-may not work correctly
> without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as
> invalid.  That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for
> situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a
> lot of stuff in.
> 

Closing my original question, I followed Alan's advice, fiddled the
world file, and whilst not exactly "hey presto", a few emerge's, some
hand manipulation of a few files and eventually it worked.

It's a bit of a jump, I'd become quite used to Dolphin and whilst
pcmanfm likes to think of itself as a dolphin replacement, it's a long
long way from being so. There is no autohide of the task bar, no
slideshow wallpaper option, I still can't work out automounting of usb's
and plenty more to keep you on your toes.

So thanks for all of your suggestions.

Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Rich Freeman]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>   I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with
>> respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic
>> desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one
>> thing that comes immediately to mind.
>>
>>   Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The
>> problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few
>> more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in
>> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can
>> live with, but not the whole desktop environment?
>
> Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have
> deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required.

It is easier than that.

Edit your /var/lib/portage/world
Remove anything kde-related you're not explicitly interested in, such
as kde-meta
Add anything you are explicitly interested in, such as kwooty or kwrite
Add kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta

Then run emerge --depclean and watch all the other stuff go away.

No need to purge yourself of stuff like kdelibs that takes a long time
to rebuild just to add it back.  Let the dependency manager help you
out for a change.  :)

I'm not even certain you need to explicitly add kdebase-runtime-meta -
other packages might pull that in on their own but I'm not certain of
that.  Run a --depclean -p first and see what portage wants to get rid
of before going that route.  Software may-or-may not work correctly
without that virtual installed and your bugs will be closed as
invalid.  That virtual is intended to be a somewhat-minimalist one for
situations like yours, but kde applications still will tend to pull a
lot of stuff in.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Philip Webb]

151002 Andrew Lowe wrote:
> I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking
> with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to.
> The semantic desktop or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it,
> is one thing that comes immediately to mind.

I took  1  look at the KDE 4 desktop & started using Fluxbox straightaway.

> Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt.

You might like Fluxbox, which is easy to configure to taste.
I had a look at Xfce 12 yesterday & was much impressed : another option.

> I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more.
> Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge
> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries,
> which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment ?

I've been doing it for years (smile).
I use 'startx' & in  .xinitrc  I have :

  xscreensaver &
  kdeinit &
  startfluxbox

This speeds things up.  I even manage to go on using  3  KDE 3 games.

The power of Gentoo !

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Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Mick]

On Friday 02 Oct 2015 08:06:50 Philip Webb wrote:
> 151002 Andrew Lowe wrote:
> > I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking
> > with respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to.
> > The semantic desktop or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of
> > it, is one thing that comes immediately to mind.
> 
> I took  1  look at the KDE 4 desktop & started using Fluxbox straightaway.
> 
> > Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt.
> 
> You might like Fluxbox, which is easy to configure to taste.
> I had a look at Xfce 12 yesterday & was much impressed : another option.
> 
> > I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few more.
> > Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge
> > kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries,
> > which I can live with, but not the whole desktop environment ?
> 
> I've been doing it for years (smile).
> I use 'startx' & in  .xinitrc  I have :
> 
>   xscreensaver &
>   kdeinit &
>   startfluxbox
> 
> This speeds things up.  I even manage to go on using  3  KDE 3 games.
> 
> The power of Gentoo !

Or give enlightenment-0.19.10 a spin.  It works nicely with KDE apps without 
pulling in thunar and a tonne of gnome libs you never wanted.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Using KDE apps in a non KDE environment

[Alan McKinnon]

On 02/10/2015 05:31, Andrew Lowe wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I'm getting disillusioned with the direction KDE is taking, with
> respect to forcing users to use things they don't want to. The semantic
> desktop, or whatever they are now calling bits and pieces of it, is one
> thing that comes immediately to mind.
> 
>   Anyway, I've decided to move on and am thinking of going to lxqt. The
> problem is that I'm used to several KDE apps, kwooty, kwrite and a few
> more. Is it possible to run something such as lxqt and then emerge in
> kde apps where it will bring in just a few kde libraries, which I can
> live with, but not the whole desktop environment?

Yes. Remove all of KDE then emerge back in the apps you want, they have
deps on the libs they need. Whatever they pull in is required.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com