Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 14 Feb 2014 12:46, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:44 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. That is so kind of you. when i have problems i will ask for help thank you. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. ipsec was mentioned i may need to use this. The nfs will be in my LAN. i think ipsec may be better just realized my cable modem has firewall built in will that interfere with ipsec? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1. ipset! = ipsec
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:38:50 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On 14 Feb 2014 12:46, Edward M edwardm.gentoo.j...@live.com wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:44 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. That is so kind of you. when i have problems i will ask for help thank you. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. ipsec was mentioned i may need to use this. The nfs will be in my LAN. i think ipsec may be better just realized my cable modem has firewall built in will that interfere with ipsec? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1. ipset! = ipsec I do not know why I've got Internet Protocol Security etched in my mind. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. -- Best regards, Edward M. Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:20:26 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Fri, February 14, 2014 08:05, Edward M wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. Important: Nilesh was talking about ipseT (it's part of iptables, which provides firewall functionality in Linux.) ipseC is VPN/encryption. Not easy to implement and only necessary if you want to be able to access your home network from a variety of other devices. That is NOT necessary for what you are asking for. -- Joost Thank you for explaining what ipsec is used for, some reason i automatically read as ipsec when Nilesh mentioned it. Nilesh brought it up to my attention earliar; it was ipset not ipsec. thanks again for the explanation. Best regards Ed -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 13/02/2014 18:35, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. No problem. Come check my inbox sometime, any given mail stands a 1 in 3 chance of being answered at all :-) I see earlier in the thread someone mentioned sharing the portage tree over NFS. Now this is by far the best solution of all in terms of outright performance; but be warned up front - there are pitfalls. NFS is nothing like setting up a Windows share, and there's nothing about it that just magically works. Folks new to Linux often have heaps of trouble with it (mostly because NFS assumes you are going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting yourself and you have already dealt with the tricky issue of keeping user accounts in sync, and permission woes). So by all means use NFS, just know upfront the learning curve is steepish, and the good folks on this list can give tons of good advice as well as get you through the arcane basics :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 13 February 2014 17:55:19 CET, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 18:35, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. No problem. Come check my inbox sometime, any given mail stands a 1 in 3 chance of being answered at all :-) I see earlier in the thread someone mentioned sharing the portage tree over NFS. Now this is by far the best solution of all in terms of outright performance; but be warned up front - there are pitfalls. NFS is nothing like setting up a Windows share, and there's nothing about it that just magically works. Folks new to Linux often have heaps of trouble with it (mostly because NFS assumes you are going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting yourself and you have already dealt with the tricky issue of keeping user accounts in sync, and permission woes). So by all means use NFS, just know upfront the learning curve is steepish, and the good folks on this list can give tons of good advice as well as get you through the arcane basics :-) If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thursday 13 February 2014 11:41 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On 13 February 2014 17:55:19 CET, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 18:35, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. No problem. Come check my inbox sometime, any given mail stands a 1 in 3 chance of being answered at all :-) I see earlier in the thread someone mentioned sharing the portage tree over NFS. Now this is by far the best solution of all in terms of outright performance; but be warned up front - there are pitfalls. NFS is nothing like setting up a Windows share, and there's nothing about it that just magically works. Folks new to Linux often have heaps of trouble with it (mostly because NFS assumes you are going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting yourself and you have already dealt with the tricky issue of keeping user accounts in sync, and permission woes). So by all means use NFS, just know upfront the learning curve is steepish, and the good folks on this list can give tons of good advice as well as get you through the arcane basics :-) If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. -- Joost My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:55:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 18:35, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. No problem. Come check my inbox sometime, any given mail stands a 1 in 3 chance of being answered at all :-) I see earlier in the thread someone mentioned sharing the portage tree over NFS. Now this is by far the best solution of all in terms of outright performance; but be warned up front - there are pitfalls. NFS is nothing like setting up a Windows share, and there's nothing about it that just magically works. Folks new to Linux often have heaps of trouble with it (mostly because NFS assumes you are going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting yourself and you have already dealt with the tricky issue of keeping user accounts in sync, and permission woes). So by all means use NFS, just know upfront the learning curve is steepish, and the good folks on this list can give tons of good advice as well as get you through the arcane basics :-) Thank you for this valuable advice. I have been doing some research using bing and google and I found some howtos,docs setting up NFS portage. hope they work. thanks again -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:13:19 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: My favorite firewall rule to do this don't restrict any kind of traffic between own network and filter the rest. Use ipset. Very easy. I have zero knowledge how ipsec works. once i have nfs set i'll do ipsec second. nfs will be in my private network for my gentoo systems(laptops,server,client) boxes. thanks for the tip. -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 14/02/14 14:59, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:55:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 18:35, Edward M wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Alan, I want to apologized I did not thanked you for the great advice you gave me. I noticed this this morning when I re-read my emails. Best Regards. No problem. Come check my inbox sometime, any given mail stands a 1 in 3 chance of being answered at all :-) I see earlier in the thread someone mentioned sharing the portage tree over NFS. Now this is by far the best solution of all in terms of outright performance; but be warned up front - there are pitfalls. NFS is nothing like setting up a Windows share, and there's nothing about it that just magically works. Folks new to Linux often have heaps of trouble with it (mostly because NFS assumes you are going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting yourself and you have already dealt with the tricky issue of keeping user accounts in sync, and permission woes). So by all means use NFS, just know upfront the learning curve is steepish, and the good folks on this list can give tons of good advice as well as get you through the arcane basics :-) Thank you for this valuable advice. I have been doing some research using bing and google and I found some howtos,docs setting up NFS portage. hope they work. thanks again An easier method than NFS that avoids some of the pitfalls is http-replicator. Works like an upstream mirror - the first request causes the files to be downloaded to the cache and supplied to the host - then the next host to need the same files gets served from the cache. Also handles parallel requests unlike NFS. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:44 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: If you want to do NFS. Let us know. It can be done easier then Alan makes out. But you then need to ensure only your machines are connected to the network. That is so kind of you. when i have problems i will ask for help thank you. In simple terms: Configure NFS to allow every user from any machine (or network ip range) has access to the files. The NFS server can be told to replace any connecting user with a single user on the server. That is what I do. With a good firewall preventing non wired owned machines to have any access. ipsec was mentioned i may need to use this. The nfs will be in my LAN. i think ipsec may be better just realized my cable modem has firewall built in will that interfere with ipsec? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:14:05 +0800 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: An easier method than NFS that avoids some of the pitfalls is http-replicator. Works like an upstream mirror - the first request causes the files to be downloaded to the cache and supplied to the host - then the next host to need the same files gets served from the cache. Also handles parallel requests unlike NFS. BillK This also sounds good. Can I emerge-webrsync then use this to supply the newest portage to my other Gentoo systems? -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thursday 13 February 2014 06:14 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. If you have a common machine or NAS, put them there. You can mount /usr/portage to NAS / NFS. It does work.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:24:44 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2014 06:14 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. If you have a common machine or NAS, put them there. You can mount /usr/portage to NAS / NFS. It does work. Thanks for the great advice. I will start reading on how setting an NFS system, since,i already have the Gentoo nfs wiki and an old amd64 pc just sitting here collecting dust. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NFSv4 Regards -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
Re: [gentoo-user] to install portage on other gentoo installs
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:44:02 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 02:40, Edward M wrote: Howdy, Been busy learning Linux :-) got new email other was getting crowded. I'm planing on installing Gentoo on a few systems and I was wondering to save bandwidth, i could install portage to the other Gentoo installs from my system instead downloading from mirrors? Thanks in advance! Yes. The stage are just tarballs, download them once, copy to the new location and unpack. Same with the portage snapshots. Same with the distfiles. they are just files, copy them to where they need to be and use them, or let emerge find them. Read the install docs first and learn more about how Linux works on the command line. Pretty soon you'll find the bits where the manual says download such-and-such from this place and you'll spot that if you already have the downloadable file you can just use it already. Thanks for the reply. this sounds more complicated and i think I will wait on installing gentoo on the other systems, until, i have gather all the needed docs and howtos. so portage installation will go smoothly. regards -- Learing Linux with Gentoo to earn LPIC1.
