On 7 Nov 2006, at 21:12, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
This idea I like. On my laptops, AltGr doesn't seem to be doing
anything useful (like allowing me to get into menus). And every
laptop
I've seen has had this key.
Macintosh laptops don't have it (at least, my Powerbook doesn't).
Cheeri,
lazzaro wrote:
I use the Capslock key as a modifyer instead of insert all the time with
Jaws on laptops, and I like how it's implemented there. It appears to
work with the capslock key latched or unlatched.
CapsLock always latches, in every keyboard I've encountered (i.e. that's
why it's
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:38:22PM EST, Bill Haneman wrote:
lazzaro wrote:
I use the Capslock key as a modifyer instead of insert all the time with
Jaws on laptops, and I like how it's implemented there. It appears to
work with the capslock key latched or unlatched.
CapsLock always
Ian Pascoe wrote:
Hi all
Some thoughts that have been kind of troubling me over the past.
There have been various postings in the past about compatability , or lack
of it, with various applications. The most notable being that of Firefox
just recently. In my ignorance, should the
Luke Yelavich wrote:
...
In Windows, Jaws manages to prevent the capslock key from being latched
or unlatched. To latch/unlatch, you press shift + Capslock, or press
capslock twice quickly.
I see. I expect that would be a hazardous and/or fragile thing to
attempt on X, especially if,
On 11/8/06, Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Luke Yelavich wrote:
...
In Windows, Jaws manages to prevent the capslock key from being latched
or unlatched. To latch/unlatch, you press shift + Capslock, or press
capslock twice quickly.
I see. I expect that would be a hazardous
Bill Haneman:
I see. I expect that would be a hazardous and/or fragile thing to
attempt on X, especially if, as I believe, the latching behavior is a
hardware feature on some (most?) keyboards.
Hello, I'm using CapsLock as another Ctrl key. It is configurable
through Gnome keyboard
Steve Lee wrote:
Out of interest do assistive technologies (AT) get to use an API or
library (similar to ATK for the server applications) or do they use
direct CORBA calls?
They use CORBA bindings, which on the client side are usually fairly
straightforward. For instance, the python AT-SPI
Hi Steve,
The at-spi hides nasty stuff like CORBA behind an API. In early days we
used the cspi bindings (for C), but we should all now use the normative
C library libspi. I imagine you are most interested in python bindings
-- which I haven't used (yet).
Note, gok hasn't migrated from cspi
Hi David, Steve:
I think there are two aspects to Steve's question. One aspect has to do
with the exact API call syntax that the client uses to access AT-SPI,
which I think is what you are referring to. The raw C CORBA bindings
are a bit ugly (while the python ones are elegant) but don't
Well I was really making a fairly general question ignoring the layers and
agree it depends on the language or libraries you use.
My question was not so much the mechanics but more what you are conceptually doing.
Perhaps it is rather fuzzy distinction. It's all useful info thanks David.My main
Hi Benjamin:
I see, you're talking about a different thing from what I was referring
to - I thought you were talking about the CapsLock behavior settings,
which are all latching.
What you have done, as far as I can tell, is re-map the CapsLock key to
be a different key altogether - so it's
Bill Haneman wrote:
Lukas Loehrer wrote:...
I would therefore say that CapsLock is the more suitable choice of the
two as a default orca modifier key on laptops.
I don't wish to belabor this point, but I find that terminology
confusing. If we remap the CapsLock key, then we
Rich Burridge wrote:
Orca doesn't care what kind of key it uses for its modifier key. It
can be anything.
Yes, but I think there is some agreement that finding a reasonable
default modifier is a worthwhile goal.
Bill
If anybody wants to try using CapsLock to see if they are more
Hi Bill.
I think we need to resolve this second issue (i.e. of what _modifier_ we
use for orca) before dealing with the first issue (i.e. what physical
key we wish to assign that modifier to).
At the risk of asking a silly question Why can't we just do what
Rich suggested yesterday,
Thanks Will. That clarifies things somewhat - we're using the term
modifier key differently. Maybe I'll contact you offlist for info on
the internal details.
So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
moot, or at least addressed fully via
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:43 +, Bill Haneman wrote:
Rich Burridge wrote:
Orca doesn't care what kind of key it uses for its modifier key. It
can be anything.
Yes, but I think there is some agreement that finding a reasonable
default modifier is a worthwhile goal.
I think the main
So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
moot, or at least addressed fully via orca.settings.orcaModifierKeys
(possibly with a UI for changing it easily) ?
I don't think the whole discussion is moot. The discussion up to this
point has been around the
Cleverson wrote:
Hi all
My suggestion is that we don't have a single laptop layout, but perhaps
three to five layouts matching several kinds of keyboards.
I think we should try to avoid this if we can. A single keyboard layout
for laptops will be easier to maintain and support (such as
Bill Haneman writes:
Thanks Will. That clarifies things somewhat - we're using the term
modifier key differently. Maybe I'll contact you offlist for info on
the internal details.
So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
moot, or at least addressed fully
Rich Burridge wrote:
I can quantify how significant that is to a blind user.
That should have course been:
I can't quantify how significant that is to a blind user.
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At the risk of beating on this to death ...
Am I correct in the belief that we mean Insert and CapLocks
interchangeably? If so, I agree.
Insert is the long established default on full-sized keyboards. I don't
believe this was at issue, in fact.
CapLocks comes up only to facilitate laptop users
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