Hi David,
In reply to your statement, “that people with fundamental disagreements can
agree on general principles does nothing to resolve those disagreements,” I
deeply disagree. To my knowledge and experience---which, granted, appears to
differ from yours---agreeing on general principles
Hi Glenn,
Thanks for sharing this report with the list. I may need to read this again
in more detail, but one thing I don’t quite understand is the focus on
‘high-level experts’. You write:
‘There has never been an inclusive, global effort to bring everyone
together first—broadly, at scale and
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:48 AM Samuel Moore
wrote:
I share Sam's concerns.
> I’d be interested to hear more on the 'high-level' focus of your group and
> whether you see it as antagonistic to non-high-level approaches. Put
> another way, are you not simply looking for common ground between
On 15/04/2020 16.52, Kathleen Shearer wrote:
> To that end, we are calling on researchers, policy makers, funders,
> service providers, universities and libraries from around the world to
> work together to address the issue of bibliodiversity in scholarly
> communication.
>
> Read the blog post
Hi Peter,
Sorry. The web list can be hard to parse because it’s alphabetical by first
name and not sortable by stakeholder group, plus it hasn’t been updated in a
while. But there are actually around a dozen active researchers in OSI
(actually more---that’s just their “primary” designation
I believe the ones who "really live and breathe these issues on a daily
basis" are actually the researchers and public and policy makers who can't
get access to research they need to improve society.
They, and many others who share their views (myself included), don't
participate in the OSI
Glen,
You are woefully misrepresenting the OSI “community” to the world.
As someone that was invited and attended one OSI meeting (and then was added to
the mailing list), that does not imply that I am part of the OSI community. Nor
does in mean that I participated in the development of this
Thanks for outlining this. There are 300-400 people on the OSI list. I
could not find:
* any researchers
* any doctors/medics
* anyone from the Global South
But there are 9 directors from Elsevier.
And everyone else is director of this, chief of that, CEO of the other.
In the early days of OA in
Hi Kathleen,
It’s definitely a challenge to try to relay the lessons of experience from OSI
while at the same time trying to make clear that there are a wide variety of
opinions inside this group. I’ve deliberately tried to avoid making statements
like “OSI believes” in our reports. I
One would expect that industry researchers are doing applied science almost
exclusively while academic researchers include many who do theoretical science.
I can't imagine that any industry researchers are investigating string theory
or parallel universes!
From:
I dislike metaphors in reasoning but in the travel case the publishers are more
like the official who approves your visa to enter their country, for a fee. The
idea that one can restructure an industry without consulting the leading
producers strikes me as unlikely to work. It is a coup and
David Wojick, 21/04/20 21:52:
> I dislike metaphors in reasoning but in the travel case the publishers are
> more like the official who approves your visa to enter their country, for a
> fee.
Not really, more like the taxi driver of a taxi cartel which for some
reason is the only connection to
Many governments are, or will, need to divert funds from the usual priorities
to address the pandemic and issues arising such as economic impact. No doubt
this will impact many post-secondary institutions. For example, yesterday we
learned that post-secondary institutions in Manitoba have been
A lot of industry research is directly related to products and services so the
results are proprietary. As an example, after I discovered the issue tree I was
getting sole source federal contracts to do them, because only I knew how. So I
never published anything on them.
Google does more R
A fair amount of Google research does end up published. It's impossible to
know what percentage. However, there is not the "publish or perish" pressure
on Google researchers to publish. In most cases, they are encourged to engage
with the broader research community via attendance at relevant
Good point Heather---which precisely why we’ve been trying to get more active
researchers into the group. “Researchers” are a highly diverse group, though,
with needs varying by field, institution, region, career stage, etc. It’s going
to take a unique effort to understand these needs better
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