Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/01/2006 21:17 wrote:
Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had
great success bringing over packages of Jelly Bellies jelly beans.
She says you can't get them in Britain (and they actually are
At 16:24 27/01/2006, you wrote:
Hello all,
I hope you will bear one more inquiry about things to do in and about
London. There is a chance I will be there this fall with my two kids
in order to do some research for my dissertation. My daughter who is
keen on museums and quite fine with being
I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems
to be a gap here in current work :-(
Have you tried contacting the VA? I'm sure there must be somewhere there
who specialises in this area.
I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had
great success
I also thought it was a great site, but lacks ordering information...
Please be careful with printed backgrounds under the text areas, the two
together strobe to my eyes, not a good think for migraine sufferers or
epileptics
Kelly
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They are the manekins we use at school. They are wonderfully sturdy, not
squishy at all though, if you might be looking for something for squishing a
corset on to. For tailoring, they are great, because they pull off their
bases, and so can be laid down on a table to form the Hymos over.
At 9:30 AM + 1/30/06, Kate Cole wrote:
Someone suggested Hershey's Kisses - I would say don't bother as I
have a LONG list of people in America to whom I send British
chocolate on a regular basis because they say it is so much nicer
than American chocolate. Having tasted US chocolate, I can
At 09:23 30/01/2006, you wrote:
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/01/2006 21:17 wrote:
Also, I was talking to a friend on Friday who mentioned she's had
great success bringing over packages of Jelly Bellies jelly beans.
She says you can't get them in
At 19:46 29/01/2006, you wrote:
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of
print. Published, I think in the 50's.
I'd like to find living, currently active, working
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, michael tartaglio wrote:
Hi, Robin. There were a whole series of articles written in a variety of
languages in Waffen und Kostumkunde in the 70s and 80s. Some of the
authors are still around. I have found many specialists out there,
though, that handle detail info
At 00:15 30/01/2006, you wrote:
Question about houppelandes ...
I've seen bands of fur at the bottom (i.e., hem) of the women's
cotehardie, at the bottom of sideless surcoats, and at the bottom of
men's *short* houppelandes -- but what about a woman's long
houppelande? I inherited one from
Suzi Clarke wrote:
Look for paintings by Rogier van der Weyden, The Magdalene Reading and
The Altarpiece of the Seven Sacraments in particular. The gowns are
completely fur lined but have a border of fur showing, so you could
cheat it.
I saw a sculpture of a man in a houp and was able to
Hi all,
I might be a bit late on this subject, but...
Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:07:54...
I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish
importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these.
Bjarne, it might be less
Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already
published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming,
or? Someone who has access to primary sources?I am reminded of
someone who considered themselves (grammatically incorrect, but gender
non-specific) an
Thanks, Susan.
It's nice getting some feedback from someone other than family.
Yes, I'm finding quite a bit of incredible (and interesting) infomation.
Kristin
On 1/28/06, Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kristin,
Your outfit looks great. Take your time and I'm sure it will be
Hi Tea Rose,
I haven't done enough research to know exactly when cotton was used in the
US. I could be way off base, but I remember reading that it was later in
the 1700's, and was from India (block prints)?
It's the first time I've done any sort of quilting. I tried using the
machine at
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote:
Whoops, email etiquette slipped, here is a repost with a different
header...
Heh -- and I've already answered under 16th c. costume experts! Sorry!
--Robin
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Quoting Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
At 19:46 29/01/2006, you wrote:
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of
print. Published, I think in the 50's.
I'd like to find
Quoting Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
At 00:15 30/01/2006, you wrote:
Question about houppelandes ...
I've seen bands of fur at the bottom (i.e., hem) of the women's
cotehardie, at the bottom of sideless surcoats, and at the bottom of
men's *short* houppelandes -- but what about a woman's
Sorry, I had sent this to the group owner on accident. (Sheepish grin)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:34 -0700
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To:
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Failing that, any silk that is weighted at less than your average dupion
would be ok. Probably the best thing to do is to go to a fabric merchant or
shop,
and explain that it needs to be quite lightweight, but not sheer, have a
plain weave, and be very
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Robin Netherton wrote:
Costume, though, does not have anywhere near the established avenues.
People who pursue costume-related degrees often do so in
departments of
art history, theater, literature, women's studies, economics, etc.
depending on their interest,
Robin inquired:
I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems
to be a gap here in current work :-(
The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the
Pitti Palace. There are other extant 16th wardrobe inventories
logs, very much like those
--- Red Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very nice, only one point, the background color is a bit jarring. It's
most likely just me, but some pattern back there would be nice. Other
than that it's a nice site.
And it comes through on Mozilla Firefox very nicely.
Stephen
It's not just you,
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote:
Robin inquired:
I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems
to be a gap here in current work :-(
The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the
Pitti Palace.
There seems to be a great deal going on in
In a message dated 1/29/2006 8:37:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would appreciate any input on it would like to
find out how fast it displays on as many different browsers as
possible.
I use Internet Explorer and it was fine. And I think the colors work
Can somebody send me the link? I missed that email.
tHANKS
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In a message dated 1/29/2006 8:37:27
Geek concepts applied to fashion chic. For the dressy nerds among us.
Take a look at: http://news.zdnet.com/2300-9595_22-6030151-1.html
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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RE: things to do in London for 12-year-old boys - the London Dungeon
(www.thedungeons.com) used to be much appreciated in my family, although I
remember some of our friends finding it too scary. I haven't been there for
at least 20 years, but it was gruesome in a way that boys in the 70s used
Someone suggested Hershey's Kisses -
An Engish friend of mine is a big fan of Hershey's chocolate and
enjoyed a trip to Hershey Park. What they don't have are York
peppermint patties. Not even in York, sadly enough. They have the
After 8 Mints, but not so much the thick patties. I don't
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST
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Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice
Hi Mia,
The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would
at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent.
I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a
second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern -
but haven't
The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been
studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life
was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and
Cool! I had no idea one even existed!
realizing that I would never be able to
Do you have publication accounts on the Dukes of Lorraine book? That sounds
fascinating!
Guenièvre
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:29 PM
To: h-cost
Subject: [h-cost] extant wardrobe
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote:
Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already
published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming,
or? Someone who has access to primary sources?
In my experience, the answer varies with the type of task at hand.
Boning for stays and corsets can be ordered from www.corsetmaking.com
Susan
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark
Trail by Louis L'Amour
On Jan 30, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Kristin wrote:
Hi Mia,
The
I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before
starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to
draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to
start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic
boning, or go the metal route... and then
Kristin wrote:
Hi Mia,
The other question, is whether
to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type...
and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a
yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red.
I thought
In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work.
That's for sure! Teenagers spend $300 to $1000s on polyester prom gowns made
in a factory in Indonesia! Anything Bjarne has made
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic
boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two
types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing
it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put
In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The other question, is whether to use the plastic
boning, or go the metal route
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I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the twosome metal in the
front point...and
I use a combination of plastic and steel. Just make sure that the ends of
the plastic are rounded (easy to do with kitchen shears). The combination
works just fine for me and I wear a 26-28 US size.
My area of interest is 16th century Italian (just about everywhere except
Venice).
With
At 21:06 30/01/2006, you wrote:
In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The other question, is whether to use the plastic
boning, or go the metal route
***
I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the twosome metal
Somewhere there's got to be a FAQ...
On 18cWoman (a Yahoo group) we've discussed boning materials a number
of times. Plastic covers a wide range of things, from the prom
gown featherboning to various weights of the German plastic which is
supposed to most closely resemble whalebone in
You've just reminded me - dark and gold Mars bars! The ones with plain
chocolate and white nougat seem to be standard in the US, they only
release them in the UK on very occasional limited edition - ours are
milk chocolate and brown nougat. The only American chocolate I prefer
to British.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote:
The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been
studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life
was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and
Cool! I had no idea one even existed!
the best present I ever got from the US was brought back by a friend who'd
been back to see her folks- it was a bumper size pot of dried cat nip!
fantastic as I just couldn't find it over here (short of growing it, which I
now do
(or try to, but the cats of course keep eating it)),
IT
I agree with Ann. I used Safari on a Mac OS X and it was fine--pages loaded
very quickly. The colors were quite nice for me, and the design of the pages
was clear and consistent. I liked the stitch listings (is there really a stitch
called bukkion, though? I'd have thought bullion, but I'm not
Wouldnt it be cool to Wiki a never-before annotated inventory? Even
tho most of us are just amateurs fashion fans, I'm sure we'd have
some interesting things to say on so many topics. While none of us
could complete the task, we'd make a nice start.
Unfortunately we'd have to start with
Speaking of interesting books--- Does anyone know if Eleonora of Toledo's Book
of Hours, which is in the VA, has ever been published? If so, do you have the
ISBN number?
Monica
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:25:46 -0600
From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Style, Nostalgic Needle, Sharon
Cohen
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At 6:10 PM + 1/30/06, Kate Cole wrote:
Re: white chocolate: Which is what the previously mentioned house
guest brings me from London, much to his disgust, as he thinks all
white chocolate is an abomination ;-)
IT IS an abomination!! I think white chocolate is pure evil
disguised as
At 1:29 PM -0500 1/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After 8 Mints, but not so much the thick patties. I don't think they
have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, either.
Britain now has Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, and have done since the
mid-to-late-1990s. Reese's used to be one of the things I pined
debs wrote:
you don't have flavoured crisps??
It depends on where in the US you live. I lived in New York City most of my
life, and even four years ago, there were only four or five commonly
available. Then I moved to western Pennsylvania, where there are more than
a dozen. Go figure.
List test I haven't gotten anything for several days. Just checking to
see if it's on my end.
angela
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Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
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I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and wanted to be
sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I could resub if it's
necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up.
angela
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Hi, based simply on my reading of _Moda di Firenze_ (sp?) I would rule out
Italian because of the stiffness of the bodice and the fully covered
neck-partlet area. At least Florentine fashions (according to Moda) have a
softer bodice then Spanish, and they tend to have open necks or
At 07:05 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote:
I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and
wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I
could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up.
angela
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It's been pretty active over the past
At 12:57 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the
plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have
had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of
wearing it (and possibly lacing
I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would
like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into the
tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are
expensive.
I happen to have some real whale bone, both as stay size
We gave quite the variety of available flavors, here. Some of them are
regionally produced, though, so maybe that's it. When I ventured across the
ocean a few years ago, people'd recommended I look for flavored potato
chips--both sides of the pond have them, but the available flavors are quite
Reading about all these extant inventories makes me practically ache
with envy, mostly that I don't have the time, languages, or education
to dig into one of them properly!
However, I do know computers and the web. I think a Wiki-type
collaborative project on one of these documents would be a
David? Sheridan?
I would LOVE to see the images you're talking about, but I can't figure out
how to use the system. Could you be a little more specific? Thank you!
Martha
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Crisps?
Are these potato chips, crackers, or something else? English to
English translation, pleaseg
Sandy
I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish
Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps
when I was little, we used to give irn bru to
I never found the Rigilene to be useful at all, and certainly not for
corsets. I use cable ties that I buy at the hardware store (my
current Elizabethan corset has them); cheap and easily available. I
get the 34 ones. They can be cut with heavy craft scissors (or tin
snips); the ends can
I'm bracing myself to do yet another corset with tabs. This time I would
like to use something besides steel because the steels that go down into
the
tabs from the corset itself tend to bend and stay bent. Besides, they are
expensive.
How many bones are you using? I'm curious as I know
Crisps?
Are these potato chips, crackers, or something else? English to
English translation, pleaseg
Sandy
It goes like this:
US/UK/NZ
french fries/chips/chips
chips/crisps/chips
I love living in NZ. When you say you are having chips for lunch, it's all
in the context.
Costume
British == American
Chips == Fries
Crisps == Chips
Once again, two countries separated by a common language.
-Helen/Aidan
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Try Lacis, in Berkeley, Calif. For boning.
www.lacis.com
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I'd really like to have a more authentic
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