I was just going through some stacked-up e-mail -- I tend to catch up in
fits and spurts, so sometimes miss things. Plus I have dial-up, so
anything that requires lots of image-heavy downloads gets set aside till I
have *time*.
Anyway, Susan posted lots of picture links. I haven't looked at all
Anybody point me at a source for Regency alphabets for embroidering
monograms on shirts? (I have a few from La Belle Assemblee but they
are mostly later, and more suitable for ladies' handkerchiefs as they
are rather fancy.) The date of the costume is actually 1808, so I
know it is not
But I can see elements of both in my
kids' facial features. I daresay there's no historic look that quite
matches that!
--Robin
I imagine you are right!
My grandmother was half English, half Norwegian, and I look just like
her--my hair is even turning the same beautiful silver hers did,
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Lovely site, Melanie. Your costumes are all wonderful. [Hey...why skip the
18th century?]
:) I have one 18th-c that I made in high school, so it's not quite up
to par with the rest of what's up there. I need to make a new one for
teaching costume history, but
Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote:
If you put an extra layer on the inside of the ruff neckband, you can take
that off to wash and sew on again more easily.
Yes, but the tops of mine also get dirty where they touch my chin, as I
unfortunately have oily skin. Plus the shaping of the starch
Greetings!
I am new to the list. I have a BFA in a theater from the University of
Georgia (US) in both performance and costume design. I went on into
computer science, but have continued costuming, mostly in community
theater settings.
I have a question about the fabric/material used in
Greeting from a fellow UGA grad. I have MFA in Fabric Design with a minor in
computer art. 1997 grad. Miss it too. I'm now in PA... waaayyy up north. I
miss the warmth of the south but not the tornados.
Where are you?
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From: Lonnie D. Harvel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
I am on the research faculty at Georgia Tech, but a couple of years ago,
my wife and I moved back to Athens, GA (location of UGA for the
non-alumni). A bit of a commute, but I don't go in to campus every day.
Lonnie,
p.s. I graduated with the BFA in 1985.
Becky wrote:
Greeting from a
Hi Lonnie and welcome!
I'm a theatre person too (BA and MA in theatre costume), and pretty new to
this list. I'm familiar with this painting-- I do 16th C. Clothing in the
SCA-- so here's my advice:
I think the doublet drapes too well in the sleeve to be suede. Looks like
velvet to me-- you might
Has anyone here ever ordered from this company? Cluny Lace Co, Ltd.
Their laces look very nice. I am about to do a project requiring
large amounts of lace trim and I am looking for a good source.
http://www.clunylace.com/index.htm
--
Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian
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In a message dated 3/13/2006 6:46:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anybody point me at a source for Regency alphabets for embroidering
monograms on shirts?
Men's shirts, as well as women's body linen and household linens, were
generally marked with what is
Below forwarded from another list. I could swear we've talked about this
before -- it's in one of the monastic rules, I think, perhaps the passage
that mentions femoralia that gets brought up every so often? Anyone have
a source?
-- Forwarded message --
I think that medieval
Hi All-
I subbed as the instructor for a Clothing History class a couple of weeks
ago. One of the instructors notes stated that the ruff was a descendant of
a chemise with a drawstring neck. I have been a costumer since I was 12 (oh,
boy am I dating myself), with a BA and MA in Theatre costume and
At 14:01 13/03/2006, you wrote:
In a message dated 3/13/2006 6:46:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anybody point me at a source for Regency alphabets for embroidering
monograms on shirts?
Men's shirts, as well as women's body linen and household linens, were
Could be either, I think. Slashing wasn't exactly unknown on woven fabrics
g, but there are a couple of doublets in _Patterns of Fashion_ that are
made, at least in part, of suede and/or leather.
It could be velvet or another piled fabric, or really, really nice wool
(given that this fellow isn't
Hard not to seem fetishistic when one has such a
preoccupation with what goes on under one's skirts.
;-)
I'm doing a bit of byproduct research at the moment
and can't figure out why there is such a clearly
understood, but as-of-yet not terribly well supported
belief that English women didn't wear
I have that one somewhere. I'll go look in my office
sometime in the week. I'm moving house right now, but
I'm fairly certain I know where those papers should
be.
/Lena
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Below forwarded from another list. I could swear
we've talked about this
A nice wool works.
I have made this one.
Unfortionally I don't have a good picture of it.
http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/IF3.jpg
Sue Clemenger wrote:
Could be either, I think. Slashing wasn't exactly unknown on woven fabrics
g, but there are a couple of doublets in _Patterns of
I have the Finnest face (and nose) in all the land--maybe I should look into
what was worn there. I'm hopelessly Franco-Flemish in garb taste too,
though.
I'm curious about this discussion about typical facial features,
though--does anyone remember enough about when it took place or what the
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Kathy Page wrote:
I'm doing a bit of byproduct research at the moment and can't figure
out why there is such a clearly understood, but as-of-yet not terribly
well supported belief that English women didn't wear underwear for, at
the very least the 1500-1600 block of
I'm sprucing up a pair of kid gloves to look more
elizabethan, and have decided this is what I want them
to look like:
http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/hand.jpg
(hopefully tht link works, it said it uploaded just
fine, but I couldn't get it to open myself. weird.)
The drawing is from
As I've mentioned before, I found it hard to believe that women used not to
wear drawers until I saw the Rowlandson print Exhibition Stare Case, which
shows 18th century women tumbling down stairs and obviously not wearing any.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, E House wrote:
I'm curious about this discussion about typical facial features,
though--does anyone remember enough about when it took place or what the
subject lines were to help me find it in the archives?
rustle, rustle
I have one post saved from Nov. 24, 2002,
The following was sent me a few minutes ago from a friend... Sending
e-mail certainly wouldn't hurt! (sent to h-needlework as well, because
there is a tie-in with the decoration of costume)
-Liz
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
Some of you may have already heard disturbing rumours
about the
Hi,
Yes i also have a quote somewhere, about the maids in Amsterdam wearing
trousers each time they had to pollish the windows.
Bjarne
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From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: Re:
We've debated this topic more than once and the general consensus seems to be
that chemises/shifts before the 18th century had stitched-down gathers, not
drawstrings. 17th century reenactors commonly do make shifts with drawstrings,
presumably because that's how we would make modern garments
I saw this posted on another list -- and forgive me if this is a duplicate (I'm
way behind on this list).
Springhill has a costume collection that is touring around Ireland this year
and next.
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-springhill.htm
In case anyone is
Hi Monica,
I'm wondering where her sources come from...how old they are. Karl Kohler
era costumers have been passed as almost biblical until recently. This might
be why she thinks the shifts were drawstrung. I would offer her the
portraiture you've been looking at and have a good discussion
Is there anywhere I can see how this is done? This is the first time I've
heard about this technique. I was always under the belief that drawstrings
were used in the neckline and cuffs. Since I have to make myself some new
chemises this is a good time to learn the new technique (new to me).
Hi Roscelin, this depends a lot on the style...can you show us a picture
of what you are trying to make?
Sg
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Is there anywhere I can see how this is done? This is the first time I've
heard about this technique. I was always under the belief that drawstrings
were
Boogers, link didn't work..
Kathy Page wrote:
I'm sprucing up a pair of kid gloves to look more
elizabethan, and have decided this is what I want them
to look like:
http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/hand.jpg
(hopefully tht link works, it said it uploaded just
My family is mostly Irish, though you can't tell by my name. My brother and
I don't look very Irish, but my father's family certainly does. I grew up in
Pittsburgh, where there is a very large Polish population. So we always fit
in pretty well with the short, dark-haired Poles.
Now I live in
This is probably a silly question :-)
Could someone tell me if the Bishop's Lawn on sale
from Hamon's in Jersey is terribly fine cotton or
actual linen?
I'm desperate to get some yummy thin linen for shifts
etc., but don't want to spring for the shipping from
the US (basically I've got to add
Ah, but one misses out on the practical activity of treading all the dusty
or muddy trails! A great way to walk off a few pounds. Also, the venture of
the hand and eye in discovering potential bargains has its own pleasure.
In our region, most of the reproductive linen has catered more to the
As far as I remember it is fine cotton lawn.
I have not come across anywhere in England which
has very very fine lawn, although the fine lawn
at the Cloth House is very fine, but not as
closely woven as I would wish. It is £11.50 per
metre 150 cm wide.
The Cloth House - 47 and 98 Berwick
At 15:46 13/03/2006, you wrote:
The following was sent me a few minutes ago from a friend... Sending
e-mail certainly wouldn't hurt! (sent to h-needlework as well,
because there is a tie-in with the decoration of costume)
-Liz
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
Some of you may have already
At 20:09 13/03/2006, you wrote:
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after
they're made like I do?
And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with
the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making
baskets out of lace doilies.
At 12:34 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote:
At 20:09 13/03/2006, you wrote:
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after
they're made like I do?
And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal
with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for
Thee is a stuff wich is used to permanent water proof felt hats. I used that
for a standing band once, and it worked well. The band had lace on it,
chinese bobbin lace, wich i baught as doylies once. Sorry i cant remember
the name of the stuff, but it also starched the band same time.
Bjarne
Hi,
Yes and i would like to add, as it was me who sended the bad message at
first about all americans being of europe origin. This was a stupid thing,
it was not intended to be of any type of racism or anything, just a blubr
from my part.
I should have said that every american has origins from
That and you lose out on the fun of washing and starching ruffs...something
I actually enjoy doing...kinda little and boring an can be done on my own
time.
kelly
Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in
shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a
Even in the 18th century, the typical drawstring neckline was not
used. Sometimes there is a drawstring that serves to snug up the
neckline a bit , but not to the extent of creating gathers.
Sleeves tend to be gathered into cuffs and sometimes a ruffle added
(sometimes of a finer
Hi all, for those of you who expressed an interest in an Other Than
Costuming discussion place for historical equine discussions, here is
an option. I figured I would try it out. I still intend to post my
costume discussions to the h-costume list, but when the topic starts to
diverge to more
Bjarne. My older daughter had a strange experience the first time she went
to the USSR. As her group passed through Helsinki, she felt she was seeing
many people who looked like her, and that the language she should have been
studying was Finnish and not Russian. Her senior year in college she
From what I can see this appears to be wool or suede/leather. I don't see
any pile that would indicate velvet.
From what I have learned from another's experience with leather. Old fashion
tanning methods seem to leave the leather more supal(sp?) and drapey then
the commercial leathers.
De
In a message dated 3/13/2006 3:36:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep
it in shape,
What we sometimes call Hat Lacquer.
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That goo is called decopage glue. I've used it on doilies before and it does
make it very stiff. When it's dry, it's permenant. Glue will wilt when wet.
Decogage won't. I'm not too sure how much water it would take but it
definitely a stiff that will last much longer.
- Original Message
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Gail Scott Finke wrote:
The way I remember it, someone posted a web site of attendee photos at
an American SCA event. A member who was a portrait photographer set up
shop and took pictures of anyone who wanted them, as people do at
dances and other functions. The
We have vintage clothing and textile shows here too (there's one this
coming weekend), and I used to love going to them. But now I love eBay
more, to the extent that, when I'm pressed for time, I don't even always
go to the local shows. On eBay there's just so much more merchandise
I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch
or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If
you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it
over
some medium strength fishing line? If you get the right
How do I use this new group?
Susan
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark
Trail by Louis L'Amour
On Mar 13, 2006, at 1:31 PM, WickedFrau wrote:
Hi all, for those of you who expressed an interest in
I have a question about the fabric/material used in the Beham Portrait
of a Man, German/Bavarian, 1529. My original guess was a velvet, but
looking closer at the image, especially the cut-work in the trim and
collar, I have begun wondering if this was a suede of some kind. I am
curious as to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch
or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If
you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it over
some medium strength fishing line?
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after
they're made like I do?
And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the
ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out
of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and
If you want to spend money, you could go to Theo Brejaart in Rotterdam. He
is in the bobbin lace making buisiness, and sells the most superior quality,
but also very expensive. I baught here for my 18th century shirts and stock
cravats.
Bjarne
- Original Message -
From: katherine
My family's been here forever it seems. Most recent is over 200
years. Real American mongrels, but they've always been in the south
states (Virginia, N. Carolina to Texas and south) and on the current
frontier. We've always joked that if they lived in the southern United
States 200 years
Ah Me...My passion these last two months has been e-Bay and dolls! I have
managed in a space of about 3 months to amass a fairly well balanced doll
collection with which to play with in my dotage.
The one thing I have realized is that I have a real thing for china dolls.
Since I am after the
In a message dated 3/13/2006 6:18:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone have a recipe I could use to stiffen some hats?
Again.hat lacquer.
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At 23:40 13/03/2006, you wrote:
I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch
or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If
you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why
not do it over
some medium strength fishing
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after
they're made like I do?
And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal
with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for
making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and
I just got a fantastic new book today, Vestiduras Ricas. It is the catalog
from an exhibit of the extant garments and fabrics that normally live in the
Monasterio de las Huelgas in Spain. I have seen a smaller catalog from the
museum at the monastery but when they mounted an exhibit at the
Is it of much use for secular clothing?
Fran
Lavolta Press
http://www.lavoltapress.com
JAMES OGILVIE wrote:
I just got a fantastic new book today, Vestiduras Ricas. It is the catalog from an exhibit of the extant garments and fabrics that normally live in the Monasterio de las Huelgas in
Thanks everyone for the help!
Monica
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] Re: ruffs and drawstring necklines
I am under the impression that ruffs
On Mar 13, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
JAMES OGILVIE wrote:
I just got a fantastic new book today, Vestiduras Ricas. It is
the catalog from an exhibit of the extant garments and fabrics
that normally live in the Monasterio de las Huelgas in Spain. I
have seen a smaller
On Mar 13, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Robin Netherton wrote:
*coming soon to a volume of Medieval Clothing Textiles ... vol. 4
I hope
(right, Heather?)
*meekly* Yes, ma'am.
Heather
--
Heather Rose Jones
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http://www.heatherrosejones.com
LJ:hrj
At 03:25 14/03/2006, you wrote:
I just got a fantastic new book today, Vestiduras Ricas. It is the
catalog from an exhibit of the extant garments and fabrics that
normally live in the Monasterio de las Huelgas in Spain. I have
seen a smaller catalog from the museum at the monastery but when
If anyone wants further information, I now have an update, which is a
bit long winded, but will happily forward individually if required.
I would like to see it. Thanks,
Anne
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There's a reason I'm called the Evil Book Lady, although usually it's for books
I'm selling.
Most of the clothes in the book are secular, although there are a few
liturgical pieces. There are also textile fragments, pictures of the monastery
and pages from illuminated manuscripts.
Janet
That's what I remember, as well, and it was at least 2, maybe 3 years ago,
in winter. A Twelfth Night event for one of the west coast kingdoms,
IIRC
--Sue
- Original Message -
From: Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 AM
Saw this on my way to look at the Spanish Medieval book Janet
recommended...thought some of you might be interested.
Sg
Item Number: 47054
*Title: Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England*
Author: RIBEIRO, AILEEN
*Price: $65.00*
ISBN: 0300109997
Description: New Haven
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