Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-07-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Service units not only better reflect the work being done, but also gives us a better idea how that work could map to a different box.   Considering that LSP is what derives service units, then I would say that you are incorrect. Service units are almost as meaningless as MIPS.   (Yes, I know

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-07-04 Thread Scott Barry
Agreed. Also, consider that the only Chargeback-related SMF data source providing service units is the SMF type 30 data for address space usage. Better to calculate and use a normalized (using a user-defined speed/conversion factor) CPU time metric, derived from the specific SMF / log data

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-07-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Agreed. Try including an extract from the post you're agreeing to. Or, at least the name. It makes this response easier to follow. Thanks. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Thomas Kern writes: There is a difference between the 'Intro to Chargeback' reports that lowly sysprogs might give to management as their first look at computer accounting and the high-powered What-If modeling done by capacity planning scientists trying to show the outcome of buying a zIIP this

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
Thomas Kern writes: I would use CPU seconds rather than Service Units. Managers can understand that there are only 86400 CPU seconds per engine per day. If you can get the price paid for your z9, take 1/4 of that and divide by 365*86400 to get a price per CPU second. This would recover the cost of

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-05 Thread Thomas Kern
There is a difference between the 'Intro to Chargeback' reports that lowly sysprogs might give to management as their first look at computer accounting and the high-powered What-If modeling done by capacity planning scientists trying to show the outcome of buying a zIIP this month and a zAAP next

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-05 Thread Dave Barry
Different places adopt different philosophies. Having been the MVS chargeback administrator in the past, I can say that no method is perfect. My suggestion is to familiarize yourself with the research of those who have gone down this road before. A good place to start would be the Web site

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-04 Thread Thomas Kern
I don't havean pointers to books or documentation but I can make a few suggestions. I would use CPU seconds rather than Service Units. Managers can understand that there are only 86400 CPU seconds per engine per day. If you can get the price paid for your z9, take 1/4 of that and divide by

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:19:26 -0500, Thomas Kern wrote: I would use CPU seconds rather than Service Units. Managers can understand that there are only 86400 CPU seconds per engine per day. If you can get the price paid for your z9, take 1/4 of that and divide by 365*86400 to get a price per CPU

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-04 Thread Hal Merritt
luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Chargeback reporting I don't havean pointers to books or documentation but I can make a few

Re: Chargeback reporting

2008-06-04 Thread Thomas Kern
Agreed, Service Units are a better measure for full-fledged chargeback and capacity planning. They work very well with managers who already understand SUs. If your management is less than the IBM trained management, they might not understand Service Units at the beginning. The move from computer