Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:56:21 -0700 Nitin Jaswal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bharat, Nitin Jaswal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has requested to be your friend on orkut. To confirm or reject this request click http://www.orkut.co.in/FriendAdd.aspx?accept=trueuid=5080245646850238854 [...] I will ask again: Can we make it policy on this list that morons like this be immediately put on moderation (actually, my preference would be a one-month ban), without further notice? Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:56:21 -0700 Nitin Jaswal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bharat, Nitin Jaswal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has requested to be your friend on orkut. To confirm or reject this request click http://www.orkut.co.in/FriendAdd.aspx?accept=trueuid=5080245646850238854 [...] I will ask again: Can we make it policy on this list that morons like this be immediately put on moderation (actually, my preference would be a one-month ban), without further notice? Regards, Gora Hi all. I would have donated for the ammunition, but i think it is a mistake. Was it? -- Thanks and kind Regards, Abhishek jain ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tuesday 05 Aug 2008, abhishek jain wrote: Hi all. I would have donated for the ammunition, but i think it is a mistake. Was it? Such spams occur when users (Gora used a better word) sign up for services and readily reveal their Gmail, Yahoo!, Hotmail userids/passwords during the sign up process. These individuals would not give the same to you if you were to ask them - social engineering. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 Aug 2008, abhishek jain wrote: Hi all. I would have donated for the ammunition, but i think it is a mistake. Was it? Such spams occur when users (Gora used a better word) sign up for services and readily reveal their Gmail, Yahoo!, Hotmail userids/passwords during the sign up process. Just curious.. How can a mail originating from [EMAIL PROTECTED] get to the list? If I am not wrong, the email needs to be part of the list before it can post a message to the list? -- Maku http://www.makuchaku.info ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
if you think over it, this is generally not the problem of the user. And if some user prevent it from happenning event when using such site (as he knows this may happen when he reveals the Orkut or other will send the mails to their friends), then that guy is little genius or more accurately he already knew about it. So, just it can be thought to forgive such thing, and we should focus over how to prevent such occurences rather than shouting over the person. The beginners won't always know these things, and will learn/get experience over time. Take Care -- -=Ravi=- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:32 PM, मयंक जैन (makuchaku) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious.. How can a mail originating from [EMAIL PROTECTED] get to the list? If I am not wrong, the email needs to be part of the list before it can post a message to the list? From a 2 year old Orkut invitation's mail, I found that Orkut Spam Solution encodes the spammer's email address in 'Sender' field of the mail header: Quoting from RFC2822: 88 3.6.2. Originator fields The originator fields of a message consist of the from field, the sender field (when applicable), and optionally the reply-to field. The from field consists of the field name From and a comma-separated list of one or more mailbox specifications. If the from field contains more than one mailbox specification in the mailbox-list, then the sender field, containing the field name Sender and a single mailbox specification, MUST appear in the message. In either case, an optional reply-to field MAY also be included, which contains the field name Reply-To and a comma-separated list of one or more addresses. from= From: mailbox-list CRLF sender = Sender: mailbox CRLF reply-to= Reply-To: address-list CRLF The originator fields indicate the mailbox(es) of the source of the message. The From: field specifies the author(s) of the message, that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible for the writing of the message. The Sender: field specifies the mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message. For example, if a secretary were to send a message for another person, the mailbox of the secretary would appear in the Sender: field and the mailbox of the actual author would appear in the From: field. If the originator of the message can be indicated by a single mailbox and the author and transmitter are identical, the Sender: field SHOULD NOT be used. Otherwise, both fields SHOULD appear. 88 HTH -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:15:20 +0530 Ravi Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Decent argument about the possibility of mistakes snipped] I quite agree with what you say, and what others have said. I am prepared to believe that it is not the moron^Wuser that is primarily to blame, but the unethical social networking sites, who absolutely rank among spammers (in my book, this includes popular sites like Facebook and Orkut by the way). However, given that this has been going on for a while (I get an average of one such unsolicited invitation either personally, or worse yet, on a list every few days), I think that we have to take pro-active steps to stop this nonsense: Hit the spammers, or their facilitators (however innocent), where it hurts. I am quite rude in replies to such personal mail, and make sure to locally black-list senders. I would really like my proposal of a one-month ban, but simple moderation is fine, too. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:15:10 +0530 Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:32 PM, मयंक जैन (makuchaku) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious.. How can a mail originating from [EMAIL PROTECTED] get to the list? If I am not wrong, the email needs to be part of the list before it can post a message to the list? From a 2 year old Orkut invitation's mail, I found that Orkut Spam Solution encodes the spammer's email address in 'Sender' field of the mail header: [...] How do the unethical spammers like Orkut (yes, this includes *you*, Google Search) manage this in the USA? Isn't this illegal under the CAN-SPAM act (never heard of a law that was better named). Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On 8/5/08, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] How do the unethical spammers like Orkut (yes, this includes *you*, Google Search) manage this in the USA? Isn't this illegal under the CAN-SPAM act (never heard of a law that was better named). I also think their mail violates, CAN-SPAM act[1], since their invites don't contain any valid postal address of the sender. BtW, how about some non-lazy person clicking on opt-out links of such lists ? References: [1] - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.shtm Ashish -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tuesday 05 Aug 2008, Gora Mohanty wrote: How do the unethical spammers like Orkut (yes, this includes *you*, Google Search) manage this in the USA? Isn't this illegal under the CAN-SPAM act (never heard of a law that was better named). I am guessing, in the fine print, alongside the I agree button, the user consents to such activity. The offender can claim, the user gave access to his/her address book voluntarily (by readily coughing up userid/password during the sign up process). From what I have observed the SPAM comes only once as an invite to join the bleh service; it is a thin line between legit and SPAM. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] orkut - Nitin has sent you a friend request
On Tuesday 05 Aug 2008, मयंक जैन (makuchaku) wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 Aug 2008, abhishek jain wrote: Hi all. I would have donated for the ammunition, but i think it is a mistake. Was it? Such spams occur when users (Gora used a better word) sign up for services and readily reveal their Gmail, Yahoo!, Hotmail userids/passwords during the sign up process. Just curious.. How can a mail originating from [EMAIL PROTECTED] get to the list? If I am not wrong, the email needs to be part of the list before it can post a message to the list? This is my high level understanding of how SMTP works: 1. The sending MTA packs your message (headers and contents) into an envelope (similar to what we do in snail mail) with a To and From header. 2. The receiving MTA opens the envelope and delivers the content to our mailbox. The headers and such that we see, are part of the message and not the envelope. The envelope is discarded. http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1123/86.htm The rogue senders are most likely populating the From header in the envelope properly and such it is accepted by the mailing list. -- Arun Khan -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
