Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Larry Garfield
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 11:02 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 12:57 PM Larry Garfield > wrote: >> After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more >> polished property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% unchanged >> from last

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate implicitly nullable parameter type

2024-02-22 Thread Gina P. Banyard
Hello internals, I updated the RFC to encompass all the feedback: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-implicitly-nullable-types Let me know if there are any final remarks before we start the vote sometime next week. Best regards, Gina P. Banyard

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi 1. I believe there is an error in the "Final Hooks" section: > // But this is NOT allowed, because beforeSet is final in the parent. I believe it should be s/beforeSet/set/. 2. In the same section this sentence is probably grammatically incorrect. > Declaring hooks final on a property

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 00:02, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: Once again in reading the proposal, the first thing I'm struck by are the magic "$field" and "$value" variables inside accessors. The first time they are used, they're used without explanation, and they're jarring. […] Second: you don't have

Re: [PHP-DEV] ArrayAccess and array_key_exists function

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi (Robert, Ondrej, please apologize the duplicate mail, the list rejected my first attempt, because the previously used alias tim@ is no longer accepted as a valid sender, I'll need to update my subscription) On 2/20/24 14:21, Robert Landers wrote: I'd love to see all array_* functions

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 07:45:41PM +0100, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > On 2/22/24 16:29, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > • SPF for lists.php.net is "v=spf1 a mx a:osu1php.osuosl.org. > > ip4:45.112.84.5 ip6:2a02:cb43:8000::1102" > > Change to "v=spf1 a mx -all" > > > > •• If you make the MX

Re: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 15:44, Michael Kliewe wrote: 1. Don't change the content or the DKIM-signed headers of the email (do not prepend something in the subject). Then the original DKIM signature stays valid and the From:-header can stay untouched Strong +1 for that one. I've suggested the same in

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 16:29, Alain D D Williams wrote: • SPF for lists.php.net is "v=spf1 a mx a:osu1php.osuosl.org. ip4:45.112.84.5 ip6:2a02:cb43:8000::1102" Change to "v=spf1 a mx -all" •• If you make the MX change that I suggest then the following are redundant: ip4:45.112.84.5

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Andreas Heigl
On 22 February 2024 17:49:10 CET, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, mjec wrote: > > > On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams > > wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> > >>> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 04:46:04PM +, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Make the From: address internals@lists.php.net > > We don't want to change the From address, as that means that replies go to > the list, rather than the original sender. We never had to do any of that > before. I understand

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, mjec wrote: On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. I run

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. I run other mail lists and have had similar problems with

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread mjec
On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, >> in enough detail to do anything about it. > > I run other mail lists and have had

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, > in enough detail to do anything about it. I run other mail lists and have had similar problems with gmail recently. The problem seems to be SPF. This

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread tag Knife
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 14:12, Derick Rethans wrote: > On 22 February 2024 08:52:49 GMT-05:00, Robert Landers < > landers.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: > >I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not > >appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: > > > >Hi, this is

Re: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Michael Kliewe
Am 22.02.2024 um 15:14 schrieb Jeffrey Dafoe: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. It's not just gmail. I guess it's because of a wrong setting in the mailinglist server. The content of the original email is

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Daniil Gentili
> If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are > also not getting emails on this list? > Same here, with both gmail and zoho mail. Personally I would switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues which I had even before the switch

RE: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Dafoe
> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, > in > enough detail to do anything about it. It's not just gmail. -Jeff

RE: External Message: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Dafoe
I had an email to the list bounce due to SpamCop adding a sizeable portion of Outlook's IP space into a block (as they've been erroneously doing for 25 years now). Emailed syst...@php.net about it, never heard back. I'm also receiving next-to-no list traffic and receiving similar bounce

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On 22 February 2024 08:52:49 GMT-05:00, Robert Landers wrote: >I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not >appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: > >Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the >mailing list. > >Some messages to you could not be

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Erick de Azevedo Lima
> If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are > also not getting emails on this list? Same here.

[PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Robert Landers
I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the mailing list. Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this message it means things are back to normal,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Deleu
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:25 AM tag Knife wrote: > A few things i was interested to get the idea around. > Was it thought about for the set{} for it to return the value to set the > property to > instead implicitly setting its own field? > > eg > > ``` > public string $name { > set { >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread tag Knife
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 18:56, Larry Garfield wrote: > Hello again, fine Internalians. > > After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more > polished property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% > unchanged from last summer; the PR is now essentially complete and

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Robert Landers
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 7:59 PM Larry Garfield wrote: > > Hello again, fine Internalians. > > After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more polished > property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% unchanged from last > summer; the PR is now essentially