Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-29 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 29.09.2008, at 00:21, Gregory Beaver wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 24.09.2008, at 01:17, Guilherme Blanco wrote: For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-29 Thread jvlad
For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that tells if it's a namespace or a class, and reuse the implementation of class which already works very well. The nested support is

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-28 Thread Gregory Beaver
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 24.09.2008, at 01:17, Guilherme Blanco wrote: For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that tells if it's a namespace or a class, and reuse the

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-25 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 24.09.2008, at 01:17, Guilherme Blanco wrote: For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that tells if it's a namespace or a class, and reuse the implementation of class which

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-25 Thread jvlad
I share your thoughts and yes namespaces are needed and wanted, but what's implemented at the moment is quite far from what I'd call a namespace. I need and want to see there all language entities including variables, constants, classes, interfaces, and functions. Want to see them all

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread Arvids Godjuks
I completely agree with jvlad's thoughts - for me namespace is ability to separate two different libraries from each other so that they don't conflict. I don't need namespaces just to write my own application using them to be cool, and I probably would never use a namespace for small or middle

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread Lupus Michaelis
Arvids Godjuks a écrit : Of course that isn't a good example, because Zend framework always has a class prefix Zend, but they surely can use a namespace and remove that Zend in front of classes. They are a lot of case where you want to use this syntax. The most common is when you have a

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread Federico Lebron
Tony Bibbs wrote: I disagree here...it is both wanted and and needed. This feature has been promised to the community for quite some time now and I'd simply remind you you do have the option of *not* using namespaces if you don't want too. If you like REALLY_LONG_CLASS_NAMES that's still

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread Lester Caine
Federico Lebron wrote: Tony Bibbs wrote: I disagree here...it is both wanted and and needed. This feature has been promised to the community for quite some time now and I'd simply remind you you do have the option of *not* using namespaces if you don't want too. If you like

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread jvlad
Guilherme Blanco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that tells if it's a namespace or a class, and reuse the

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-24 Thread jvlad
Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... Guileherme, you are missing the point. We'd all like to see PHP 5.3.0 out there. It has a lot to offer, but namespace support is very obviously

[PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread jvlad
Hello all, May I suggest something in this area? I hope it will resolve some problems related to namespaces and classes ambiguity. Let's first take a look at the classes. In-general they represent two things: scope and data. Scope is a thing that can't be changed without compiler efforts and

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, jvlad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest something in this area? May I suggest something also.. Lets just let namespaces die and let it become a repressed memory as it seems it is more trouble that it is worth. Seriously. For 10+ years we have got on just fine

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Tony Bibbs
, 2008 3:57:41 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view This one time, at band camp, jvlad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest something in this area? May I suggest something also.. Lets just let namespaces die and let it become a repressed memory as it seems

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Jochem Maas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: nothing of technical importance in this email, but it might make you feel better :-) ... even Stas!]] Kevin Waterson schreef: This one time, at band camp, jvlad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everything that jvlad wrote was way too vague for me to understand so I couldn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Steph Fox
Lets just let it die. It is un-needed, un-wanted by many, and the end result seems to be less that optimal, or even a true implementation of namespaces. Oddly enough, I agree with Kevin with my heart and soul. But then I hear the howls of outrage from the Other Side, who campaigned without

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Guilherme Blanco
For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... He's suggesting to change the class struct to be an scope struct, and have a property that tells if it's a namespace or a class, and reuse the implementation of class which already works very well. The nested support is

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Steph Fox
For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... Guileherme, you are missing the point. We'd all like to see PHP 5.3.0 out there. It has a lot to offer, but namespace support is very obviously problematic. That's it, that's all. - Steph -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Guilherme Blanco
Steph... I think you should not tell me this... =) I already know it and heard (like you) 5,451,741,709,125 times. Cya, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those that do not understand very well the explanation of jvlad... Guileherme, you are missing the

Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view

2008-09-23 Thread Ryan Panning
Steph Fox wrote: Lets just let it die. It is un-needed, un-wanted by many, and the end result seems to be less that optimal, or even a true implementation of namespaces. Oddly enough, I agree with Kevin with my heart and soul. But then I hear the howls of outrage from the Other Side, who