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On 29 Sep 2014, at 15:45, clay wrote:
- Way more concise. Gradle has a much cleaner syntax and doesn't
require
mountains of XML for everything. Each library dependency in a typical
Maven
pom often uses five lines of XML which is silly. Gradle and SBT have a
much
leaner syntax. I've converted
On 23 Sep 2014, at 22:58, Linas Jakucionis wrote:
I have been listening to
http://www.illegalargument.com/
This covers a good range of topics but sometimes one of the hosts goes
into too much technicalities of definitions.
That just might be me - or maybe Greg. The arguments are strong
On 5 May 2014, at 1:45, Josh Juneau wrote:
I recommend the Java Pub House podcast...it is very good! It is recorded
by leaders of the Chicago Java Users Group.
http://www.javapubhouse.com/
The Chariot TechCast is also good for news:
http://techcast.chariotsolutions.com/
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So... When looking toward Java 8, catching up in some areas would be
a fair assessment?
Anyone have any thoughts on:
http://java.dzone.com/articles/think-twice-using-java-8
and the linked:
http://coopsoft.com/ar/Calamity2Article.html
Looks like parallel streams in Java8/ForkJoin are
On 20 Feb 2014, at 9:46, phil swenson wrote:
IMO the main thing scala has going for it is Play/Akka….
You mean like Groovy and Grails?
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Well, given you've spammed pretty much every java related mailing list with
this you might be sorry about intruding, but that never caused you pause
about NOT intruding...
Ack.
On 18 Feb 2014, at 0:28, Chirag Sharma wrote:
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On 14 Feb 2014, at 10:13, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
I think the mentioned downsides summarize it quite well: It is already
obsolete - before even being released.
Maybe, but I'm wondering if a lot of the recent FUD over Scala's internals will
scare off enough people who were only at the considering
On 18 Feb 2014, at 21:38, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
So, perhaps, the real world problems in software development are quite
far from the language.
One thing that's been on my mind in this area lately revolves around the
rise of Docker, and the continuous deployment movement.
At work we went
On 19 Feb 2014, at 3:45, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
Maybe, but I'm wondering if a lot of the recent FUD over Scala's
internals
Are you referring to Paul Phillips' recent
talkhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/scala-user/ImqlClXTrS4%5B151-175-false%5D
?
That, but more the ongoing discussions
On 17 Feb 2014, at 18:44, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
For example, in Scala, the type of List(1, a) is List[Any], while in
Ceylon, it’s a fully typed tuple. Similarly, the most specific
common subtype of List(1) and List(a) is List[Any] in Scala and
List[Int|String] in Ceylon, arguably the best
I'm so far behind in my own podcast listening that I hadn't actually noticed
the lag.
But then behind listening to shows, recording/editing your own, and some great
new TV and music out…. there's little time for things that pay the bills :)
still - look forward to more posse :)
On 21 Oct
language feature. Basically, import statements should have URLs or some such.
The compiler should take in an entire project and spit out a jar, and that's
the only way the compiler should work. At least, a compiler of a 'next gen'
language.
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Hey Chet,
This sounds much the same as our podcast, we used to have a good mix of
news and discussion, but eventually we split the news out to its own
show as we found didn't only liked one or the other, soon we found there
wasn't much happening in Java at the time so that show kinda stopped
I could so comment here, but I'd be creating my own #donglegate sub-scandel.
Mark Fortner wrote:
Dude, I'm not touching that question with a ten foot pole.
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As long as their not wearing mankinis and skimpy/tight outfits that
detract from the tech.
Martijn Verburg wrote:
Absolutely - technologists come in all shapes, looks, sizes, races and
creeds - we don't care :-). We do care if a non-technologist is there
to act as a booth babe (and that goes
A kitty-petting-booth! I've seen whats cat photos do to people on the
internet, giving them free reign to play with kittens would be the death
of a conference ( and you'd have to deal with the smell of, well - WAY
too many developers in a small booth ;p
Martijn Verburg wrote:
Absolutely -
Kevin Wright wrote:
After that you want Rule 34 by Charles Stross and Nexus by Ramez Naam.
Both of them are also in the to read pile - sadly, there's also about
100+ other Kindle books in that list, and about 3 shelves of paper books :p
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Ready Player One by Ernest Cline - http://goo.gl/s0cxF ( amazon link )
It's been in my to read pile for t long. Must get to it soon.
amrk
Brent Clark wrote:
In A Waste of Time, one of the posse said we can only listen to the
next episode if we read a book. What was the book? I've been
And depending on your language, whitespace matters.
Take python/haskell for instances, whitespace indicates block level. If
you have mixed tab/space, things can get nasty,
Also lisps tend to favor code indenting styles like:
(do-something-long [[100,200,300]
My thoughts on them being anti-modular is more around wanting to keep an API
separate from -ANY- implementation.
Say you have a bug in your default implementation, or you wish to alter it -
you currently need to rerelease the API even tho the actual API hasn't changed.
In an ideal modular
And afaik it not only affects applets. If my understanding is correct, this
should be able to be exploited by ANYONE who allows third party code to run in
their JVM - think hosting providers, postgresql servers with pljava as a stored
procedure language, cloud providers…..
On 30/08/2012, at
Also, Dhanji ( of Sitebrix, Guice, Google Exit Rants fame ) just released his
new java based Jade-like template library:
https://github.com/dhanji/jade
Unlike the original Jade templating engine, this uses the MVEL expression
language instead of javascript for expressions. Looks nice.
Mark
On 26/07/12 1:15 PM, Lea Hayes wrote:
Hi Alex
On Saturday, February 4, 2012 1:08:41 AM UTC, Alex Buckley wrote:
DocBook is good for real books where you want to/have to produce a
PDF, thanks to the DocBook-XSL stylesheet package. How do you produce
PDF from HTML5 source?
I have
On 22/07/12 11:02 PM, Ben Schulz wrote:
Guy Steele posted a nice essay on why rewriting it using
loop-constructs is not trivial and why TCO is such a big deal (and
frankly more than an optimization). It was originally posted on the
Project Fortress blog [1], but that's no longer around. You
On 20/07/12 12:06 AM, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
What do our Java desktop application developer colleagues in here
thing about this ? Because Jigsaw's delay probably impact them most.
Or not ?
Not sure about desktop developers - but we're ALL command line
maven/ant/gradle/lein users - having a
On 17/07/12 1:55 PM, franz wrote:
I'd say listen to our latest IA podcast, but we also seem to have a week
or two without recording, and those basement coders guys - man, what
lazy people:-)
Mark
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On Wed Jul 18 02:24:19 2012, Dick Wall wrote:
Life is busy, and it's the summer silly season (as evidenced by the
lack of other podcasts you note).
Summer? We're suffering the endless winter flu season down here!
Bring on the SUN! er Oracle.. no - SUN!
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In my own git based projects:
plugin
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artifactIdmaven-release-plugin/artifactId
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youtrack:update-version
On 19/06/12 9:34 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
You do know that Maven is an open source project? If you don't like
it then participate and fix it.
And in this instance its not even Apache Maven thats the problem, its
the maven-release-plugin, I always seem people bitch incessantly about
how broken
On 6/06/12 12:46 AM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
That sounds terrible. How do you work out the original source of nil?
You don't. I've heard from several people that this is the worst thing
about writing iOS apps, or Objective-C in general. Silent, delayed,
untraceable null errors.
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On 6/06/12 2:57 AM, Cédric Beust ? wrote:
JQuery does the same thing: selectors return arrays of matching
elements, but if no elements were found, you receive an empty array
instead of null. Anyone who thinks this is a better idea hasn't
practically worked with the concept.
Failing fast
As I mentioned on Google+ the other day after listening to this
episode,one of the best things that Smalltalk offered with its optional
system was/is the ifNil:/ifNotNil: and isNil:/isNotNil messages ( Nil is
an Object in its own right, and offers negative variations of the four
messages) .
I'd say the only reason its not a static solution to the nullable types
issue is you're example can still easily fail:
a = null;
for (p - person, a - p.address, z - a.zipCode) yield zipCode
BLAMO - NPE :-)
On 6/06/12 4:49 PM, Dick Wall wrote:
Well, It's late, and I'm tired, and I
Java dev in general or specific areas of java dev? With the rise of
client-side javascript I'm seeing ( in NZ at least ) more and more jobs
wanting the JS skills for front ends, there is a resurgence of java work
for backend guys doing cassandra/hadoop etc. but that doesn't seem to
have hit
I could see one reason to remove the JME application - if GMail's APIs
have actually changed and the app no longer works - if they're not going
to update the app, better to remove it than have something broken out there.
On 16/05/12 7:39 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
Monstrosity is not a correct
*bows* Ironically, a few of the things we joked about actually seem to
have come to pass, only in a somewhat slightly different fashion.
They don't say us Kiwis are in the future for nothing :)
On Wed May 2 21:56:49 2012, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
On the way in to work yesterday I listened to
So does anyone know where to submit JVM bug reports?
I've had the new 7u4 SIGSEGV on me twice now:
https://gist.github.com/2556742
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On Apr 30, 11:18 am, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
So does anyone know where to submit JVM bug reports?
I've had the new 7u4 SIGSEGV on me twice now:
https://gist.github.com/2556742
On 29/04/12 11:12 PM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
Well, I've only listened to about five minutes of each, so far.
Perhaps the sample was unrepresentative. ;) Won't know for sure
until tomorrow and I'm get a proper listen while commuting.
Maybe it just means my editing skills have improved ;-)
On 27/04/12 2:29 PM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
I wish IRC were useful for that, but there be topic nazis.
Amusingly, I spot several people in this thread who are those same IRC
topic nazis ;-)
Or have been in the past :)
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On 29/04/12 12:41 AM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
I've added both Unsupported Operation and Illegal Argument to my
podcast lists. They sound interesting. Less dynamic than the Java
Posse but more focussed. We'll see how it goes.
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It'll be interesting to see how the flow/dynamics change going forward.
We noticed it on our podcast when we lost one of our regular cast, and
our show is/was much much younger than JP as well.
I count myself one of the rare few who started listening back with
JavaCast #1, and being mentioned
On 17/04/12 10:52 PM, Phil Maskell wrote:
Didn't Visual Age for Java by IBM hide the files from you and show all
the methods? This sounds similar.
It did that by virtue of storing them inside the Smalltalk Image (
remember - Visual Age for Java was a Smalltalk application! )
You could export,
On 17/04/12 11:43 PM, Phil Maskell wrote:
I didn't realise it was a smalltalk app though.
It was an off-shoot of Visual-Age Smalltalk, trying to jump onto the
young and upcoming Java ecosystem. I remember reading that Eclipse was
(in part) originally intended to be a java based reimagining of
Ironically the moment he started talking about the function being the
smallest unit and hiding the fact we're using files I had flash backs
to using Smalltalk IDEs and the browser, and more recently the Newspeak
IDE Hopscotch
( see http://bracha.org/hopscotch-wasdett.pdf )
On 17/04/12 6:02
I keep wanting to resist saying this but enough - the internet is NOT
THE F***N web.
Crashplan runs java on the client, and backups are darn well important.
Remove java - and bang, there goes your backups.
I like my backups.
On 13/04/12 4:57 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
That is not FUD,
And welcome to how Java apps on OSX will be distributed in the near
future. Discussions are afoot on the Mac OSX port list for just this, as
well as the system JDK install, there'll be a way for applications to
bundle their own JDK. Which will be the preferred way. This will,
AFAIK allow OSX
Even Apples own iTunes producer is written in Java from memory.
The big end user app for me? Crashplan backups.
On 13/04/12 4:10 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:42, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
since you're mentioning the fact that Java is being
That seems to be the general feel I'm getting just reading thru stuff
and tinkering at the moment. So far I'm liking what I'm playing with,
but I've yet to actually write any form of 'app' yet - weekend project
number 34321231 coming up!
On Tue Mar 27 04:04:40 2012, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
I gladly fall on my sword to provide you endless LOLs at no charge :)
On Mon Mar 26 03:52:28 2012, Ed G wrote:
Thanks for the LOL this morning. Although I like to bang out code late
at nite, when I do make errors they get dumber and dumber the further
it is after Midnite.
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Hey all,
I thought I'd give JSF 2.0 a try and see what all the fuss, or hate is
over, and I'm wondering what setup I should actually try to give it a
valid try. So far I have a maven project based on one of the MyFaces
archetypes and running under Jetty ( I suspect this may be where my
Oh for $(#*(#*$)#Q(*'s sake ;-) Never code when tired. I sooo did
not spot that last night:( Now I feel like a newb to everyone :P
What didn't help was trying out both JSF2.0 -ant- Jetbrains Kotlin at
the same time, I started getting some cryptic compiler error so
converted the simple
I was about to post back and say the same thing about Doggcatcher
actually. Liking it over both Pocketcasts and BeyondPod.
One thing I did like about PocketCasts however was how it used the
cloud to check for new podcasts, made things much quicker, and less
bandwidth for your mobile device -
I tried it briefly on my phone the other day and it worked surprisingly
well, compiled a hello world app on my SGS2. But yes - the editing
experience was.. not to be desired :)
On Thu Mar 15 22:39:44 2012, Moandji Ezana wrote:
They mention Git integration. I haven't tried the app (as I
Swing would be as usable as Windows was on a tablet prior to Metro -
it's not designed for touch, or fat fingers.
Even if you were targetting say a Transformer Prime with a keyboard doc,
the UI metaphors really want to be different.
On 8/03/12 1:38 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
On a tablet
I've switched back to using BeyondPod with is good, I was giving PocketCasts a
go which is also excellent. Both have speed control but via the same external
application you mention.
Both are pay, but were not excessively expensive...
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however - just watching the video using a phone… ug - I really can't see
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For this I'm quite liking the look of Spark:
http://www.sparkjava.com/readme.html
It's extremely minimal and works well with Guice etc.
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com
Out of actual, honest to goodness curiosity - why are restful URLs a
good, desired thing?
That all depends on the type of webframework, or the type of application
your writing. For web sites I can see restful URLs that are -stateless-
would be useful. restful URLs that also use fragments are
On further investigation/usage of Kotlin, I may be wrong about not
requiring the runtime due to inlining.
Viewing the decompiled class is quite enlightening:
https://gist.github.com/1861568
Here we see the various annotations that the Kotlin compiler adds to your
classes to support
There is a standard library which pimps out the collections API and Strings
etc. but one really AWESOME thing with Kotlin is you might not EVER have
to ship that standard library with your application - how you might ask?
inline functions.
Take for example:
This is a string.doSomething()
I've not tried yet, however you can convert a nullable reference to
non-nullable by calling .sure(), as in:
getUser()?.getLastLoginDate().sure()
will return a non-nullable reference, not sure about Array's tho.
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Big news!
http://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2012/02/kotlin-goes-open-source
Java and Javascript compiler - check.
Ant compiler plugin - check.
Maven compiler plugin - check.
Gradle compiler plugin - check.
IDEA Plugin - check.
Eclipse plugin - sadly no check.
Talk about an entrance! I'm looking
I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not yet
available on OSX.
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary johnye...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would we want to continue to
There is - 2.2 came out a week or two ago with a standalone compiler, an
ant task, and a maven plugin.
Maven plugin works great, apart from sending the generated source to
src/main/xtend-gen ( configurable ), I raised a bug and the default is now
target/generated-sources/xtend-gen which means
How long til we see the hate posts saying how terrible it is, and why don't
we just use scala?
Anyone tried it yet and have early reports?
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2011/12/21 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
For those of you
Interesting - I'd love to take a look but your server seems down.
Any reason for choosing GPL v3 at all? I was wondering, do you have a
runtime library and if so - is that also under GPLv3? ( i.e. meaning no
commercial applications can be built using Meso )?
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+1 on The Lamb. Awesome album. REAL Genesis.
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Joseph Ottinger j...@enigmastation.comwrote:
Meh, you're talking hipster Genesis. Old school Genesis is The Lamb Lies
Down
On the OpenJDK lists there's already been posted a proposal for the full
Open Sourcing of Java FX 2 which is awesome.
Mark
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Martijn Verburg
Wow - full circle. It was only last year people were dropping the Posse
from their listener because they were overly PRO Apple. Geez people - stop
with the fragmentation :)
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:20
Any one have any ideas what corrections we'll see in the gallery app? Even
tho the current one is the stock Android one ( I wonder if we'll be able to
reinstall the stock one from the Marketplace ).
Mark
SGS2 user.
On 30/08/2011, at 9:28 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
Thankfully Apple lost this
So just like Nokia dumpinng Symbian and going to QT, then dumpin QT and going
WP7.
On 5/08/2011, at 8:21 PM, mP wrote:
Yes but that would mean killing all the Android apis and pissing a lot
of devs off.
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If it was just a broken lucene then maybe, but this revealed bugs in Hotspot
itself.
I'd be curious to know how/why these bugs never revealed themselves earlier in
whatever tests hotspot currently has, and whether or not any test cases have
since been added to cover this now.
Mark
On
I believe the code in Lucene which breaks, along with the tests that exercise
that code ( and the breaking test ) were written within the last month.
I'm wondering if these optimizations were left off by default in OpenJDK, but
only enabled in the Sun JDK build.
Does anyone know what
And NOT in production on day 0 ;-)
On 31/07/2011, at 7:27 AM, mbien wrote:
just don't panic and don't join the yellow press journalism :)
we all know nobody would use a .0 release for anything serious anyway,
most of us are happy to be able to use java 6 or even 5.
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Out of curiosity - how are you using it? ( I mean from a practical point of
view ).
Are you just dropping it into your JDK's boot classpath? How are you getting
maven/ant/build-tool-of-choice to pick up its classes over the original JDKs
versions?
On 29/07/2011, at 10:03 AM, clay wrote:
Yes, but you can work around it by using:
-XX:-UseLoopPredicate
I'm getting tired already of seeing many sites ranting about this bug without
mentioning the work around described in the actual Oracle bug tickets.
The tests that actually uncovered the problems were only written last month:
When you install Lion there is no Java -preinstalled-.
However, if you run any java application, or run java from the command line
then Lion will prompt you, and automatically install java for you, then run the
application you original tried to run.
If you want OpenJDK 1.7 - download Henri
That looks to be the one they auto-install when you attempt to run any java
apps.
Personally - I'm zoo down with this install model. So seamless, and if you
don't care about Java then you don't have it.
On 22/07/2011, at 10:13 PM, Ben Smith-Mannschott wrote:
Also, Google found me a link to
http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/Kotlin/Welcome
Thoughts?
So far things I like:
- type inference, pattern matching, properties, closures, extension
methods, NOT SCALA
Things I don't like:
- no checked exceptions, the build language ( personally, I'd rather have
checked exceptions,
One of the other things I like is that if is an expression, along with
when ( the kotlin variation of switch ).
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
http
.
Moandji
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
I still have 15 mins to go in the Advanced REST round up session but I'm
kinda shocked no one mentioned media types at all.
So many points made that made me want to shake my fists :) Wish I was
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Related somewhat to this thread I was surprised to discover all of the
CheckedList, CheckedSet, and CheckedMap classes available from
Collections.class the other week giving you run-time type safety checks when
and where you want it.
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Well yes but the cost of getting over there from New Zealand is somewhat out
of my reach at the moment - who needs to pay off loans right? I'm sure the
bank managers won't care not getting paid ;)
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I still have 15 mins to go in the Advanced REST round up session but I'm
kinda shocked no one mentioned media types at all.
So many points made that made me want to shake my fists :) Wish I was
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Mark,
Sorry you were disappointed. Anything in particular you'd like to
correct or comment on apart from the media type omission?
Thanks
-C
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
I still have 15 mins to go in the Advanced REST
Envy Code R, followed by Cousine
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Roland Tepp luol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Windows, I prefer Consolas
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Henry's custom builds of JDK7 for OSX actually contain the code to run under
Cocoa with a few settings enabled:
http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
along with a page showing how to get IntelliJ IDEA running with Cocoa:
http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/wiki/IntelliJIDEACocoaAWT
Is the keynote online at all? I only see the live streams?
Mark
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Chris Koerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote:
Now we know what James Gosling will be working on. :)
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On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
But the best one I've used I ran locally.
You could run Eclipse Orion on a dev machine, but what would be the point
One thing that everyone is focusing on here is that these web-based IDEs are
remote/cloud services, which most of them are. But the best one I've used I
ran locally.
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/products/webvelocity
CINCOM are well known for their Smalltalk development tools, Web
That was probably the episode we recorded ( http://goo.gl/ENv6n ) back in
November. Would love to see an IntelliJ plugin sometime too!
Mark
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
Oh really? I'd never known they had existed until listening to this ep,
googled and found them and thought wow - this looks AWESOME!, but they're
gone? That sucks.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Marek
Also - PowerMock has a pockmockito mode as well - for using PowerMock's
static mocking capabilities in a fluent mockito style:
http://code.google.com/p/powermock/wiki/MockitoUsage
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Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things — Steven Wilson,
Porcupine Tree
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at
Well I've signed up for the Early Access / Beta - will see if I get in or
not :)
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Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things — Steven Wilson,
Porcupine Tree
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robert Casto
In this example you forgot:
File temp4 = new File(temp, hello);
Mark
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Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things — Steven Wilson,
Porcupine Tree
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Augusto Sellhorn
augusto.sellh...@gmail.com wrote:
File temp = new
Cincom Smalltalk is doing some really good things lately. Their new
web based IDE is quite the awesome thing.
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Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things — Steven
Wilson, Porcupine Tree
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Neil Bartlett njbartl...@gmail.com wrote:
Smalltalk
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