"Space is the Place" -- for that lousy play on words.
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From: Eliezer Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
As long as we've been on the topics of genres and Sunny and the Blues
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Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
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From: Eliezer Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
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From: Eliezer Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
Roy Blumenfeld, Andy Kulberg, Steve Katz, Danny Kalb and Al Kooper all
- Original Message -
From: Eliezer Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
Roy Blumenfeld, Andy Kulberg, Steve Katz, Danny Kalb and Al Kooper all
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From: Eliezer Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Richard Farina/Carolyn Hester + Re: musical genres
All I know about the personnel is what it says on the CD cover
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
Judeo-Christian religious broadway classical rock
Last I looked neither Tower nor CD Universe had any
of these categories for sale.
Because these are not musical genres, but expressions
of your own idiosyncratic evaluation of certain
musical works
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
if I decide that I hate modern classical on the basis
of John Cage (not me personally)
How could one hate a complete genre on account of a
negative experience with only one piece of music, or
even one composer?
Just because you do not like Elias by
So Bernstein's Mass gets lumped into the same category as
John Cage- and if I decide that I hate modern classical on
the basis of John Cage (not me
personally) then I can assume the Bernstein will be similar?
Why would you make that assumption?
Why would you assume that if C (Cage) is a
, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: musical genres
So Bernstein's Mass gets lumped into the same category as
John Cage- and if I decide that I hate modern classical on
the basis of John Cage (not me
personally) then I can assume the Bernstein will be similar?
Why would you make that assumption
Excellent point. If everyone here didn't at some level accept the idea
of musical genres, they wouldn't be on this list, World Music from a
Jewish slant. If that's not a genre, what is? And if we didn't have
genres, we wouldn't exist.
Given that even those registering the anti-genre argument
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: musical genres
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
Judeo-Christian religious broadway classical rock
Last I looked neither Tower nor CD Universe had any
of these categories for sale.
Because
at some level accept the idea
of musical genres, they wouldn't be on this list, World Music from a
Jewish slant. If that's not a genre, what is? And if we didn't have
genres, we wouldn't exist.
Given that even those registering the anti-genre argument
(and citing as
problematic a handful of obvious
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On 05/05/2003 at 10:26 I. Oppenheim wrote:
I would say that music can be classified in
genres (Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic,...)
Even there you'll soon run into problems, certainly by the time you come to
the classical and romantic
didnt woody allen use that argument??
all men are mortal
socrates is a mortal
therefore
all men are socrates
avi
--- Seth Rogovoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Bernstein's Mass gets lumped into the same
category as
John Cage- and if I decide that I hate modern
classical on
the basis of
AM 5/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Excellent point. If everyone here didn't at some level
accept the idea
of musical genres, they wouldn't be on this list, World
Music from a
Jewish slant. If that's not a genre, what is? And if we didn't have
genres, we wouldn't exist.
Given that even
Given that even those registering the anti-genre argument (and citing as
problematic a handful of obvious crossovers and fusions) use terms most of
us would associate with genres in their threads. If the Klezmatics don't
play klezmer why do they use a group name that clearly indicates that
My issue is the use of the word silly in front of the phrase musical
genres.
Whether the exist is hardly the question. Calling them silly is a typical
American idolization of the individual as the highest power.
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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
Are there no such things as musical genres?
I would say that music can be classified in
genres (Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic,...)
let's play a little game. Genre-classify the
following five artists
This is an entirely different
Fine, then. Genre-classify the following 5 CD's:
1) Salim Halali- Ses Plus Grand Succes (aka L'Album D'Or Vol. 1)
Don't know it
2) Klezmatics- Jews With Horns
Klezmer
3) Captain Beefheart- Shiny Beast
rock
4) Miles Davis - On The Corner
Jazz
5) Leonard Bernstein- Mass
Modern
cmon seth.you have to agree that calling
beefheart just rock and on the corner just jazz
does a huge disservice to the music contained in
them???
In what way does it do it a disservice? We were asked to say what genre
they fall into. Where to find the CDs in a record store, for
- Original Message -
From: Seth Rogovoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: musical genres
Fine, then. Genre-classify the following 5 CD's:
1) Salim Halali- Ses Plus Grand Succes (aka L'Album D'Or
: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: musical genres
Fine, then. Genre-classify the following 5 CD's:
1) Salim Halali- Ses Plus Grand Succes (aka L'Album D'Or Vol. 1)
Don't know it
2) Klezmatics- Jews With Horns
Klezmer
3) Captain Beefheart- Shiny Beast
rock
4) Miles Davis
- On The Corner
5) Leonard Bernstein- Mass
Did that get any easier?
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From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: musical genres
On Sun, 4 May 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote
cmon seth.you have to agree that calling
beefheart just rock and on the corner just jazz
does a huge disservice to the music contained in
them???
avi
--- Seth Rogovoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fine, then. Genre-classify the following 5 CD's:
1) Salim Halali- Ses Plus Grand Succes
well if i asked you to reccommend me some jazz to
listen to, having no background in the genre, and you
gave me On The Corner (along with some nils petter
molvaer and uri caine's Mahler project, all of which
are found in the jazz section of my hmv), i would have
a very skewed idea (if i had an
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