Re: Vibrato
At 12:28 PM 8/29/03, Fred Blumenthal wrote: My understanding is that when singing, one should do nothing to create, encourage, discourage, or affect vibrato - that if the voice is produced correctly the vibrato will be correct, Yes and no. The Zen paradox hidden in this statement centers on the phrase if the voice is produced correctly... I have been studying voice for almost three decades, with countless dollars and hours of effort directed toward one goal: To sing effortlessly. All the elements of vocal production - - vibrato included -- are subject to manipulation in one way or another within the process of honing one's vocal technique. But this technique must remain transparent to the listener, and an effortless vibrato that is not too fast or slow is indeed one sign of having achieved the goal. if the vibrato is too fast or otherwise funny there's something wrong with vocal production. Maybe in a theoretical sense, but not necessarily wrong for that person at that point in her singing career. Children, for instance, will tend to sing with little or no vibrato, while old people tend to have slow vibratos. Humans are not machines that can be tweaked at will. A fast or wobbly vibrato may be an unavoidable element in the entire singing package or a culturally encouraged artifact of a particular singing style. So discussion of vibrato from the diaphragm, throat, etc. would be moot. While the effortlessly beautiful vibrato does seem to emanate from the vocal folds themselves, this is merely an illusion resulting from a correct balance of complex muscular and aerodynamic forces. Nevertheless, it is indeed best to remain unconscious of these forces. Weigh against this that I was taught to sing choral, folk and early music without vibrato. Just as the type of vibrato can be culturally determined, so can its near-total absence. I'm very curious, however, if discouraging vibrato in early music is stylistically authentic (how would one know ?) or merely a projection of our notion of simplicity. Discouraging vibrato among choral singers is one way of insuring better intonation in the section. Seems to work the same way with orchestral vs. solo instrumentalists. (I would welcome input on this point from orchestral violinists on this list.) _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: In Maine Oigen Bistu Shain - sheets music
In a message dated 8/31/3 2:05:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you help by finding the sheets music aans arrangement for: In Maine Oigen Bistu Shain sung by the Barry Sisters? Writen by: Rumshinsky/Picon/Stuckoff Sorry, but it's not in any of the Jewish Music book that we carry. Hatikvah Music -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Last chance for Jewish Week Fall Preview
Forgot to mention: We're playing at "The Puffin Foundation" in Teaneck, NJ on Sat. night Dec. 20th - It's a Channukah thing. Thanks! glennGeorge Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Re: Replying to messages
At 02:17 AM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: I was just pissed that people replied to the list when the message said specifically please reply privately, and this happened with two successive threads. I'm not saying you should curtail meaningful discussion. This list is not a strip mine. Replies =should= always be to the list so that everyone can be enlightened, and so that discussion, where relevant, can ensue. If nothing else, replies to the list are then on record, and if Shamash ever fixes their search engine (or I finish moving us to another platform), the next person along with that question can find it just by searching. Folks who consider the list their private free consulting group are the anti-social folks we want to discourage ;-). ari Ari Davidow [EMAIL PROTECTED] list owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/
Re: moscow?
There are many of them, fresh and professional. Try to contact Mark Kovnatsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mikhail Blinkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alexey Rozov [EMAIL PROTECTED] P. Achkinazi - Original Message - From: Michael Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: moscow? Could anyone tell me whether there's any klezmer movement currently in Moscow, Russia? Any groups in particular? Any leads whatsoever? Thank you, Michael Michael Bernstein The Moscow Times Tel. 7 (095) 937-3399 Fax 7 (095) 937-3393 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Josh + Cookie + Stu = Veretski Pass !!!
Hello all, I spent a few hours with Josh and Stu last week, we played a few notes and had a listen to the Veretski Pass CeeDee. Its very cool. Very rhythmic. These folks can play. Cookie pulls a great big waterfall of sound out of her fiddle. Josh's Schrammel Accordionsounds so string like that the unison with the fiddle sounds like a small string section. The tsimble playing is great. Stu's work on this CD is amazing, so focused, so rhythmic, he's an empath of the highest order who seems to know what you will do before you do. This CDis one of the very best things I have heard in the style. A trio that sounds like a quintet. Sounds like more than the sum of its parts. Did I mention that Cookie sounds mahoovalous ? Standing tall in those custom made boots. Taking charge. Does anyone play withher drive, commitment andsoul?No one comes to mind.Al W. - Original Message - From: Pete Rushefsky To: World music from a Jewish slant Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Josh + Cookie + Stu = Veretski Pass !!! I see there's now a web site for Veretski Pass, a new"supergroup" klezmer trio with Josh Horowitz, Cookie Segelstein and Stu Brotman. The link is: www.veretskipass.com Their new cd is coming out in a few months. An exciting development indeed! Pete Rushefsky Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Klezmer Band Input Requested by a Music Ed Student
I am passing on this note (with the author's permission) to the list at large, in case other bandpersons would like to add their two cents to round out her research. Lori @ MAX ~~~ I am a Music Education student and cellist at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, VA. I came across your site when performing a "Google" search on Klezmer music. I was very excited to know that there are groups such as yours performing this music. I am planning on doing my research paper for my Intro to World Music class and would like to ask if any of the members of your group would mind giving their opinions on the influence of Klezmer music in America and why they feel it is an important part of our culture here today. I would also like to know what it is that inspires each of you to perform this particular style of music. Unfortunately, all I would be able to offer for your efforts in return is a reference on my bibliography page and perhaps a few new followers of the Klezmer music tradition! Please let me know if you or other members would be willing to help me with this project, it is certainly alright if you are not able to, I just need to find my sources over the next couple of weeks in order to finish my project by the due date. Thank you for your time! Suzanne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sorry - wrong address
NO WORRIES, Annette! Your response was so inspiring, I went directly to your band, the Freilachmakers,' website and was about to email you to find out where I could hear some music samples and prepare to buy - just based on how exciting and beautiful your response was to that post! Don't feel bad about sending it! :) Thanks for the lead to more great klezmer! Jill P.S. - so where can I hear a sample or two, then? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Klezmer Band Input Requested by a Music Ed Student
"American Klezmer: It's roots and offshoots", editedbyMark Slobin, offers insights and opinions from some of today's most influential Klezmer performers and researchers on the significance of Klezmerfor (especially, byt not limited to) Jewish Americans. Why am I personally drawn to KLezmer? Well, it speaks to me, it makes me cry and laugh and wake up in the middle of the night with goose bumps and heart thumping and feet tapping...to me, it expresses all the joy, frustration, energy, warmth, fun, longing, restlessness and exuberance of being a Jew in America. I immigrated to the US from Europe, and Klezmer music connects me to my European roots in a way that other Jewish music doesn't (I always loved Israeli folk music and dancing, but never quite felt that it was MY music). The phrasing and ornamentation in Klezmer evokes the sound of people speaking Yiddish, a language I dearly love and mostly understand but barely speak. When I listen to or perform Klezmer, I feel at home. Klezmer is a vehicle of self-identification and self-_expression_ as well as alanguage I useto connectwith other people.To me asa religiousJew, playing Klezmer music is also having a conversation with and about God, and a way to inspire other Jews to feel positive about and to learn more about their Judaism, without having to use spoken words and without getting entangled in political or synagogue denomination discussions. When I play Klezmer, I feel very centered, the way I imagine a Zen Buddhist must feel. The intense sweating while performing cleanses my skin, and dancing around on stage is more effective than a tread mill -a greatwork out. Klezmer music is important in that it connects Jews of different generations, religious affiliations, political views, and life styles. It's also afun way tolearn, connect with,and teach about Jewish history and culture. Klezmer speaks to Non-Jews and can help people from other cultures/religions feel comfortable with Jewish culture. Klezmer has a valuable place in today's society as a socially acceptable, physically harmless and psychologically beneficial form of addiction. Annette Brodovsky,fidl playerof the Freilachmakers Klezmer String Band (see www.freilachmakers.com).On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:02:31 EDT , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I am passing on this note (with the author's permission) to the list at large, in case other bandpersons would like to add their two cents to round out her research.Lori @ MAX~~~I am a Music Education student and cellist at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, VA. I came across your site when performing a "Google" search on Klezmer music. I was very excited to know that there are groups such as yours performing this music. I am planning on doing my research paper for my Intro to World Music class and would like to ask if any of the members of your group would mind giving their opinions on the influence of Klezmer music in America and whythey feel it is an important part of our culture here today. I would also like to know what it is that inspires each of you to perform this particular style of music. Unfortunately, all I would be able to offer for your efforts in return is a reference on my bibliography page and perhaps a few new followers of the Klezmer music tradition!Please let me know if you or other members would be willing to help me with this project, it is certainly alright if you are not able to, I just need to find my sources over the next couple of weeks in order to finish my project by the due date.Thank you for your time!Suzanne[EMAIL PROTECTED] Msg sent via CWNet - http://cwnet.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Klezmer Band Input Requested by a Music EdStudent
Suzanne, Klezmer pulls at us from many directions, but there is nothing like the listening and dancing, and playing, to get it. Just down the road in Charlottesville, our more or less UVA affiliated Klezmer group Simchah! is a going concern currently in an enthusiastic phase. It currently includes students faculty and community folks. and we have just completed a successful recording project. We will be having a CD release concert at the Gravity Lounge on the Cville downtown mall, probably Tues Nov 4. It would be great if you could come, among other things you would meet several young women, part of the newest generation and hear their stories. I also have a good friend in town, who is one of the most experienced klezmorum in Virginia, a fine accordion player and very knowledgeable whom I suspect you could interview if you wanted to run up this way. Let me know if I can help. There is also an active group in Williamsburg. Colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~~ I am a Music Education student and cellist at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, VA. I came across your site when performing a Google search on Klezmer music. I was very excited to know that there are groups such as yours performing this music. I am planning on doing my research paper for my Intro to World Music class and would like to ask if any of the members of your group would mind giving their opinions on the influence of Klezmer music in America and why they feel it is an important part of our culture here today. I would also like to know what it is that inspires each of you to perform this particular style of music. Unfortunately, all I would be able to offer for your efforts in return is a reference on my bibliography page and perhaps a few new followers of the Klezmer music tradition! Please let me know if you or other members would be willing to help me with this project, it is certainly alright if you are not able to, I just need to find my sources over the next couple of weeks in order to finish my project by the due date. Thank you for your time! Suzanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Sorry - wrong address
Sorry, I did not mean to send the previous e-mail about Klez band input to the whole mailing list. I accidentally sent it off beforeinputtingthe correct address. -Annette Msg sent via CWNet - http://cwnet.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
FW: CBS / EMI
Hello everybody, Can anyone help Jerry? Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 August 2003 10:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CBS / EMI Hello, I have read that CBS Israel was pressing LPs for EMI in the 1980s. In 1984, EMI released an LP by a band called Pallas, and the title was The Sentinel. I heard CBS pressed this LP in Israel. Is it known where I can get a copy of the Israelian pressing of the LP? Do you know a place where I can look? Many thanks and best wishes, Jerry van Kooten --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Copyright Infringement
In New York City there is VLA, Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts. I used to know a couple of people who worked there and they are extremely helpful. Also look at their site for more information, www.vlany.org. Best, Thia Knowlton Manager Sefarad Records Management 392 Central Park West Suite 17Y New York, NY 10025 Phone/Fax: (212) 662-9712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sefaradrecords.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: string orchestra vibrato
At 11:39 AM 9/2/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sometimes suggest to trumpet players who come to klezmer from a legit background that they pretend they are mariachis--that is, playing with a strident tone and a huge vibrato... ...That's not what you were asking, but it's what it made me think of! But it does contrast nicely with the earlier observation regarding solo vocal vibrato, where folk=no vibrato; classical=vibrato. _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: string orchestra vibrato
In a message dated 9/2/2003 10:32:11 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for that summation of string vibrato protocol. As a trumpet player in a community concert wind band, I'm always aware of the need to practically eliminate my vibrato, even for the occasional solo -- unless for a special effect, which tends to prove the rule. But strings seem to be immune from that restriction. Any thoughts from players of other orchestral instruments? I'm not an orchestral player, but I am a klezmer bandleader, and I sometimes suggest to trumpet players who come to klezmer from a legit background that they pretend they are mariachis--that is, playing with a strident tone and a huge vibrato! This is a shorthand way of saying that some ethnic styles of trumpet playing depend upon these sorts of features to convey emotion and energize the music. That's not what you were asking, but it's what it made me think of! Lori @ MAX
Singing without vibrato
Thank you to Cantor Sam Weiss for his response on singing without vibrato. This isn't the first time he's answered questions or concerns that I've brought up. The choral director in my experience who stressed singing without vibrato was Gregg Smith - a famous choral director, but one of several I've experienced who weren't singers. The motivations were A) blend, and B) intonation. Smith had - and I'm sure still has - a careful ear for intonation, but he would tell those singing sharp to darken the tone to correct it, and those singing flat to smile in order to brighten the tone to correct it. I've long felt that this was like taking one medicine for a variety of ills, and that intonation problems could have more than just two origins. I suppose to Mr. Smith hearing singing with vibrato was like seeing a variety of colors when one wished to see just one. And in my training in early music it was at first stressed that singing should be done with no vibrato, but then later that was deemed to be an extreme position, and some vibrato was allowed, particularly in the music of Claudio Monteverdi. As Adrianne Greenbaum and I have been discussing off-list, there's an explanation that vibrato has roots in embellishment, so that, at the turn of the Renaissance and Baroque periods, Monteverdi would be appropriate as a beginning point for vibrato. To tie it all together: at about the time I knew Mr. Smith, 35 years ago, he was recording Gabrieli's music in St. Mark's. Fred Blumenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
RE: CBS / EMI
Try the Sony Music archive in Hilversum (Holland). If they don't have it, ask them to refer you to their main office in Tel Aviv (NMC Records). Good Luck, Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lloica Czackis Sent: dinsdag, september 02, 2003 17:47 To: World music from a Jewish slant Subject: FW: CBS / EMI Hello everybody, Can anyone help Jerry? Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 August 2003 10:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CBS / EMI Hello, I have read that CBS Israel was pressing LPs for EMI in the 1980s. In 1984, EMI released an LP by a band called Pallas, and the title was The Sentinel. I heard CBS pressed this LP in Israel. Is it known where I can get a copy of the Israelian pressing of the LP? Do you know a place where I can look? Many thanks and best wishes, Jerry van Kooten --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Internetowe Radio Szalom
Shalom all, A little while ago I had posted a message to the list voicing my suspicions that the above site was in fact a Christian Messianic site rather than a Jewish music site. One of you (I'm sorry, I forget who) who knows Polish read the site and responded that there was nothing there that seemed "un-Jewish". Well, I listened more, came to the conclusion below and sent the following email to Ari, who agrees and is removing the site from the Klezmer Shack. Dick Rosenberg Message I sent to Ari follows: http://www.platforma.pl/szalom/Hi Ari,After listening to this Internet radio station for quite a while and following up on some of the music by suspicious groups (Adonai, Next Year in Jerusalem) I have come to the conclusion that this is in fact a Christian Messianic web site that plays music from groups who emphasize the Jewish roots of Christianity and who (I believe) see the music they play as a means to convert Jews (see http://www.levitt.com/ for a web site that features the groups played constantly on Internetowe Radio Szalom.) I became suspicious when a song that I didn't recognize was called l'shalom b'yeshua.I posted something to the list recently regarding what I had found to that point and somebody who understood Polish said that the web site was innocuous. Obviously I have found out differently. I plan to do another post to the list tonight. I would also suggest that you remove this link (and your recommendation about the "lonely Jew" in Poland) from the Klezmer Shack.Thanks,Dick
One klezmer's experience
This concerns the Polish messianic site mentioned by Dick, but only by subject: that is, playing for messianic "Jews" (or not playing for them). Maxwell Street has been booked by messianic Jews twice in 20 years. Of course, the fact was well-hidden by the clients. In one case (a bar mitzvah), we didn't know until we got the check from the client with a New Testament message on it, and at the other one (a wedding), we didn't know till we started shmoozing with a guest on break. At the wedding, we simply stopped playing Jewish music and switched to American standards for the balance of the contract. Since it is not our choice to contribute our spirit to proselytizers for Christianity, we have since then put a clause in our contract that we don't play for messianic affairs, and if we figure out we've been booked for one, the contract is void and we get to keep the deposit. But it's only happened twice, so it's probably an unnecessary precaution. Interestingly enough, the enthusiasm of the crowd at the wedding was almost frothingly ecstatic when it came to the horas, entertaining the bride and groom, and other traditional dances. Lori @ MAX
