Hi,
I wrote:
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc.tar.gz you can find a prototype for a
new linux configurator (see the included README for build/use
information). It has reached a point, where it's becoming usable and I
need some feedback on how/if to continue.
There is a new version at
Hi,
Keith Owens wrote:
It takes time to do all the analysis to work out what has changed and
what has been affected. You might know that you only changed one file
but kernel build and make don't know that until they have checked
everything. Changing one file or specifying a command
Hi,
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Keith Owens wrote:
touch include/linux/mm.h doesn't cause a recompile of any object.
I have found a bug that is probably causing your problem. Can you
confirm that you are using a common source and object directory, i.e.
no separate object tree?
Yes, so far I
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Tom Rini wrote:
More examples of the cml1 limitations can be found in arch/ppc/config.in -
a single choice statement needs to be splitted into multiple choice
statements.
Er, which are you referring to here? All of the choice statements are
done for clarity
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Tom Rini wrote:
There is still a bit of overlap. Roughly it's possible to sort the machine
types by cpu type, but IMO it's not the best solution. I think it would be
better to sort them by general machine type.
Er, 'general machine type' ?
+-RPX
| +- ...
+-TQM
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Tom Rini wrote:
A bit more flexibility certainly wouldn't hurt. :)
What does that gain however? And it wouldn't make as much sense to
offer the IBM Spruce (750) next to the IBM Walnut (405GP).
You weren't forced to sort them by cpu type. Maybe it works as is, you
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Peter Samuelson wrote:
tristate DRV
dep_mbool DRV_OLD DRV
dep_mbool COMMON_OPT DRV
dep_mbool OLD_OPT1 DRV_OLD
dep_mbool OLD_OPT2 DRV_OLD
dep_mbool NEW_OPT1 DRV !DRV_OLD
dep_mbool NEW_OPT2 DRV !DRV_OLD
This way you can't compile old and new driver as module.
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
This doesn't has be
very painful, I have a tool that can convert most of the current config
into whatever you want.
The problem is deciding what the original rules were supposed to mean, and
then reproducing that behaviour exactly in the new
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Peter Samuelson wrote:
Mutating the language, long-term, so that it looks less like sh and
more like a specialised language, is IMO a worthy goal. And I think
it can be done. The main thing to deal with is adding an alternative
syntax for 'if' statements which
Hi,
(Could you please fix your mailer? linux-m68k.org.com does not really
exist.)
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
The problems are really not simple, the current config language is very
limited, [...]
I don't think anyone who actually understands the config system would
argue
Hi,
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Kai Germaschewski wrote:
Oh well, I think the only way to find out if all that is really a good
idea is to try, convert some config.in's and look at the result.
I really hate to spoil the fun, but could someone explain to me, why this
is necessary? What problems does
Hi,
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Peter Samuelson wrote:
Basically the current discussion revolves around the best way to
evolve the config language to make it more suitable for its purpose.
This is of course in contrast to what ESR and you have tried, which is
to replace the whole thing.
I haven't
Hi,
Peter Samuelson wrote:
+If the dependency yields m, the first block is executed and the
+second skipped, just as with y, but with one crucial difference: the
+output for certain verbs is restricted. bool and dep_bool
+statements are suppressed entirely; tristate and dep_tristate are
Hi,
Peter Samuelson wrote:
+If you think in terms of Boolean algebra, most of the above rules make
+sense if you think of each primitive value (y, m and n) as two
+bits: y=11, m=01, n=00. Adjacent words are implicitly ANDed
+together, and the or statement, with lower precedence, performs
Hi,
On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
Unlike you, I'm not optimistic that a switch to a new language or even a new
parser for the old language will ever happen.
It would be nice if I could get it into 2.6, but it's not a problem if it
has to wait. I'm currently busy getting menuconfig
Hi,
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
I have to manually fix things like CONFIG_ALPHA_NONAME, which is first set
by a choice statement and later redefined. My new parser can't deal with
this, because user input is given the highest priority.
Well then, there's something we need to
Hi,
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
Why do you want to do the parser/syntax switch separately? Why do you want
to write and test a parser just to be throw it away again?
So that the changes have some chance of getting past Linus.
Sorry, but that's a dumb reason. Linus is quite
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/lkc-0.3.tar.gz you can find the latest
version of my config system. Over the weekend I was busy tuning/fixing the
converter to keep the new rulebase as close as possible to the old one.
Unless I made an error somewhere, the rulebase should be the same now.
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/lkc-0.4.tar.gz you can find the
latest version of my config system. It slowly is becoming completely
usable, so it's time for a new release.
A lot has changed since the last official release, so here only some
highlights:
- correct dependencies for the
Hi,
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, DervishD wrote:
Thanks for taking the effort of making a better building process
:) I hope you have success ;))
Thanks. :)
Well, even though it is a beta release, please make the graphical
interface optional. I've had to tweak the Makefile since I haven't
Hi,
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Greg Banks wrote:
I dislike the requirement to convert all existing config.in files to
support the new syntax. You already have the machinery to do the
conversion online as needed, so why not detect if config.in is newer
than config.lkc and if thats the case
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/lkc-0.5.tar.gz you can find the
latest version of the new config system. Besides various small bug
fixes, it includes the following changes:
- Improved mouse interface of qconf
- qconf isn't build if QT isn't available
- if ... endif block added
- update to
Hi,
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
make xconfig
- Do some selections
- Use mouse to select save icon on tool-bar
- File|Quit
-Save Configuration? Press yes
End result is an empty .config file
I've seen it once too, but I couldn't remember how to reproduce it, but I
now know
Hi,
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
I have been working on integrating lkc with kbuild.
Here is the result.
Thanks, nice work. :)
Rules.make
- Added infrastructure to support host-ccprogs, in other words
support tools written (partly) in c++.
There are all compiled with gcc
Hi,
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Kai Germaschewski wrote:
I'm still not happy at least for the .config does not exist case. Since
when I forget to cp ../config-2.5 .config, I don't really want make
oldconfig, I want to do the forgotten cp.
Adding this check to the silent mode is trivial.
bye,
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ you can find the latest version of the
new config system. Besides the usual archive there is also now a patch
against a 2.5.39 kernel and finally some documentation. This patch I also
consider as my first release canditate, so please test this one
Hi,
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Tomas Szepe wrote:
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ you can find the latest version of the
new config system. Besides the usual archive there is also now a patch
against a 2.5.39 kernel and finally some documentation.
o lkc-0.7-2.5.39.diff includes patches
Hi,
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
1) Old tools zapped file: tags around filenames.
Ok.
An issue (which was also mentioned by Jeff Garzik) is the help text
format. Jeff likes to have an endhelp, where I think it's redundant.
2) The current way forces the layout of the help
Hi,
(I almost forgot to reply to this one, sorry for the delay.)
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Kai Germaschewski wrote:
I'm not particularly fond of these md5sum hacks. I don't think it's all
that annoying for the developer, either, it's basically just a
alias make=make LKC_GENPARSER=1
(Of course,
Hi,
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Well, my basic preference is
* something other than Config.new (the original name in your config system)
* something other than Config.in
I think it is a mistake to name a totally different format the same name
as an older format... even
Hi,
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Brendan J Simon wrote:
As you can see there are soo many guis to choose/use and everyone
has there favourite. I suggest that the real work be done outside of
the GUI program. ie. seperate GUI and application guts as much as
possible. I would use python as the
Hi,
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
stick with TCL/TK, like xconfig currently uses ?
or is it not sufficient? or just too ugly?
What is linux kernel conf written in ?
- perl: use perl-gtk (I think there is also a perl-qt)
- python: use py-gtk...
Use whatever the language
Hi,
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Randy.Dunlap wrote:
So I think that you and Roman are close to agreement, when Roman
has the library backend ready. Of course someone needs to do a
reference implementation with it also, but it doesn't need to
ship with the kernel.
We ship BK documentation, so
Hi,
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
Why don't you just separate the library from the kernel at all, making
it a similar package. We depend on a few external, kernel-specific
packages anyway, and depending on libkconfig wouldn't make the situation
worse.
The problem is that
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ you can find as usual the latest
version of the new config system.
I still haven't got a single mail from someone who tried it and didn't
like it, what makes me a bit nervous :), so if you think something must
be wrong, now is your last chance. Next
Hi,
Here is now the final release (it's as usual at http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ ).
Changes in this release:
- help texts are a bit more indented (by two spaces) and long texts (more
than 10 lines), start with ---help---.
- in preparation of the library API I renamed a few structures/symbols.
Hi,
At http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ you can find the latest version of
the new config system.
Changes:
- qconf ui improvements.
- the parser is compiled as a single file (which includes the other
source files), which should speed up the compile a bit and might
simplify kbuild.
A small
Hi,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Rini wrote:
Now, can that be done any smaller? (one line, after it's defined once)
Even smaller? What do you mean?
bye, Roman
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Hi,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Rini wrote:
Even smaller? What do you mean?
Well, less lines. Is:
config FTR_A bool default y if BOARD_A
legal ?
No, and without a good reason I'd rather avoid this.
bye, Roman
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Robert Schwebel wrote:
config GNU_TARGET
string i386-linux if OPT_I386
string i486-linux if OPT_I486
string i686-linux if OPT_I686
string arm-linux if OPT_ARM4
default -not configured-
for example give
GNU_TARGET=arm-linux
in case
Hi,
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Peter Samuelson wrote:
If you want to limit people to the config tools in the kernel, there
is indeed no need for a shared library. Note that during the next
development cycle all graphical front ends are possibly removed.
Huh? I don't get it. How is a shared
Hi,
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Peter Samuelson wrote:
Even if this is true - I'll grant you that it may be - let the vendor
package /usr/bin/qconf as a shell script that links /usr/lib/qconf.o
with -lqt and $(LINUX)/scripts/kconfig/libkconfig.a . It's a little
unorthodox, but it removes the
Hi,
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Joe Korty wrote:
The (undocumented) kbuild 'menuconfig' command,
Not anymore with 2.5.71. :)
eg, as used by the
CONFIG_EMBEDDED configurable, does not behave well under 'make gconfig'.
I know and you have to ask Romain Lievin for a fix.
Also, it would be nice to
Hi,
Russell King wrote:
Essentially, it appears a default selection in a choice statement takes
precidence over an explicit select statement for one of the choice
options.
Actually a select statement has currently no effect on choice values,
because it's undefined what effect it should have.
Hi,
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
With this configuration, menuconf gives me this message (among others):
Warning! Found recursive dependency: NFSD_V3 NFSD_ACL NFSD NFSD_V3
This is indeed a wrong positive, the patch below fixes this, but you if
change your config into
Hi,
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
config NFSD_ACL
bool ...
depends on NFSD_V3
select NFS_ACL_SUPPORT if NFSD
you avoid the warning and it does the same.
Does it? I would assume this to limit NFS_ACL_SUPPORT to y or n
depending on the value of NFSD_ACL.
Hi,
Sebastian Henschel wrote:
Your mailer ate the archive, it doesn't look that big, could you include
them uncompressed? This would also make it easier to quote them if needed.
Kconfig.if: i prefer this version the most, though it simply does not
work, i do not understand why and perhaps this
Hi,
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
technically, i see nothing wrong with putting it after the choice.
aesthetically and philosophically, i'd like to see that sort of thing allowed
within the choice since it's so tightly related and, in effect, only *has*
meaning in relation to
Hi,
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Replace a menu_add_prop mimicking menu_add_prompt with the latter.
Signed-off-by: Paolo 'Blaisorblade' Giarrusso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
linux-2.6.11-paolo/scripts/kconfig/zconf.y |2 +-
1 files changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
Hi,
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
This patch is the majority of a patch by Jesper Juhl.
This patch renames all instances of ---help--- to simply help in all
of the Kconfig files.
The main reason for this patch (quoting Jesper) is:
Consistency. out of ~4000 help entries in
Hi,
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
The separator used for the help is to indent help texts by two
additional spaces.
Yes, that's an additional indicator.
IMHO, Kconfig files are quite readable due to this indentation even
though only a minority of the entries was using ---help---
Hi,
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
So why exactly has to be removed? Is it ugly? Does it make Kconfig worse?
The ugly thing is that there are currently two different ways to express
the same thing. It only causes confusion for people who think those
different syntaxes had a
Hi,
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
The main reason for this patch (quoting Jesper) is:
Consistency. out of ~4000 help entries in 134 Kconfig files, 747 of
those entries use ---help--- as the keyword, the rest use just help.
So the users of ---help--- are clearly a minority
Hi,
On Sun, 29 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want, I'll do one patch update the included version to 2.0 Bison (which
uses an updated skeleton) and then, separately, a patch updating
zconf.tab.c_shipped to reflect the updated zconf.y.
I'd prefer to patch the changes into
Hi,
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
there's still the point that it's currently used inconsistently.
Why is it so important to fix this inconsistency?
Why is it so difficult to accept that both are valid options?
bye, Roman
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Hi,
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Blaisorblade wrote:
I can regenerate it only with bison 2.0, since that's what I have installed.
So if you don't want it to be regenerated, you cannot accept my patch. I
proposed sending two patches to avoid mixing the bison changes with this
patch changes, that's
Hi,
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Pierre Ossman wrote:
A (somewhat unclean) solution is to make the type change based on the
platform. Are there any defines present to test if we're in a Solaris
environment? I don't have access to any Solaris machines myself so I
can't really test.
Just ignore it.
Hi,
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Pierre Ossman wrote:
Should I extract the changes for bkbits and make a reversed patch?
No, go through the warnings, analyze each one and choose an appropriate
solution. You might want to keep notes, which you can post with the
changelogs, so one can reproduce, why a
Hi,
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Pierre Ossman wrote:
Is there some easy way to check the file history? Downloading a couple
of old kernels just for one file is a bit of a hassle. And I don't run
bk so I can't access that repository (is it even still present after
Linus' move?).
Hi,
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Pierre Ossman wrote:
GCC 4 checks the signedness of pointer casts and generates a whole bunch
of warnings for code in scripts/ (which makes heavy use of signed char
strings).
This patch adds explicit casts.
Just adding explicit all over the place is really the
() uses strlen() so same thing there.
Signed-off-by: Pierre Ossman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Acked-by: Roman Zippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looks good, thanks.
bye, Roman
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Hi,
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Kurt Wall wrote:
--- a/scripts/lxdialog/Makefile 2005-07-04 09:54:44.0 -0400
+++ b/scripts/lxdialog/Makefile 2005-07-04 11:50:00.0 -0400
@@ -35,8 +35,11 @@
echo -e \007 ;\
echo Unable to find the Ncurses
Hi,
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
In a couple of cases I have had the need to include a Kconfig file only
if present.
The current 'source' directive works as one would expect. It bails out
if the file is missing.
I don't really like it, it's an open invitation to abuse.
I'd
Hi,
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, David Gibson wrote:
When doing its recursive dependency check, scripts/kconfig/conf uses
the flag SYMBOL_CHECK_DONE to avoid rechecking a symbol it has already
checked. However, that flag is only set at the top level, so if a
symbol is first encountered as a
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Petr Baudis wrote:
In practice, this means that drawing on the screen is done with _MUCH_
less overhead now, the screen updates are better optimalized as ncurses
won't get reset everytime you display something, that also implies that
the ugly screen flickering is
Hi,
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Al Viro wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 08:36:20PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
stuff that does select USB should depend on USB_ARCH_HAS_HCD, or we'll
end up with unbuildable configs.
BTW, this kind of situation happens often enough, so how about doing
the following:
Hi,
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Andres Salomon wrote:
AFAICT, there is nothing similar when using *_defconfig; one must copy
a .config manually, and then run silentoldconfig. Simply running the
associated _defconfig will quietly update the config (which may silently
drop config options). This
Hi,
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Jan Beulich wrote:
Roman,
while I realize that it might not be intended to be used in this way (though
nothing
explicitly says it either way), I'm trying to understand why this (much
simplified)
input
config MODULES
bool Enable loadable module support
may change the dependencies and thus the
possible input range.
Signed-off-by: Roman Zippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
scripts/kconfig/conf.c | 21 -
1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
Index: linux-2.6/scripts/kconfig/conf.c
Hi,
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Jan Beulich wrote:
Doing a few more experiments with choices, I find that int, hex, and string
don't seem to work at all here. It would seem to me that these all could be
useful, but clearly would require some changes even in the grammar in order
to get there.
Well,
Hi,
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
Today's kconfig was proposed and accepted in a very unpleasant
circumstances, has very poor design, development and no working
alternative (for 5+ years now).
If you want to make such statements, you have to offer a little more than
the hot air
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