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You're welcome!
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I've
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@David @Nate Thanks!
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(The commit didn't get automatically linked to the merge request due to
https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/208344)
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@Ivan https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/12
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--- Comment #48 from David REVOY ---
Wooww! Thank you!
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--- Comment #47 from Tyson Tan ---
(In reply to Noah Davis from comment #46)
> Git commit f474686a584a0f3049b3eddb8b148d3703a7148a by Noah Davis.
> Committed on 23/05/2020 at 02:39.
> Pushed by ndavis into branch 'master'.
>
> Change CommandAllKey to
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--- Comment #45 from Vlad Zahorodnii ---
(In reply to David Edmundson from comment #44)
> I would also fully support someone fixing this and defining an XDG standard.
Fair enough.
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--- Comment #44 from David Edmundson ---
>Yes, as far as I know, Super is reserved for DE
And as far as I know this is not something defined. I would be happy to be
proved wrong.
I would also fully support someone fixing this and defining an XDG
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--- Comment #43 from Vlad Zahorodnii ---
> I haven't used digiKam much, but I think it shouldn't use Super either.
Yes, as far as I know, Super is reserved for DE so applications should use
something else, e.g. Alt.
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--- Comment #42 from nyanpasu64 ---
As of today, digiKam uses Qt::MetaModifier twice. I've attached two links that
should point to to the latest commit as of today, and won't break with future
commits when master moves their files around:
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--- Comment #40 from Martin Flöser ---
(In reply to Tyson Tan from comment #38)
> @Martin
> >> System Settings >> Workspace (section) >> Window Management >> * Left
> >> Column * >> Window Behavior >> * Tab * Window Actions >> Innter Window,
> >>
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--- Comment #39 from Tyson Tan ---
@Everybody
Recently I've been asking around the programmers from a few very active groups
I'm in. Their feedbacks are:
1) Yes we are using Window Action key all the time!
(and yes, I'm sorry about doubting its
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--- Comment #38 from Tyson Tan ---
@Martin
>> System Settings >> Workspace (section) >> Window Management >> * Left Column
>> * >> Window Behavior >> * Tab * Window Actions >> Innter Window, Titlebar &
>> Frame >> Modifier key >> * droplist*
The
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--- Comment #37 from Martin Flöser ---
Another idea: KWin has a feature for disabling global shortcuts. This also
disables alt+mouse (see events.cpp line 871). This feature is currently only
available through window rules and is a little bit too
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--- Comment #36 from Martin Flöser ---
@DavidR: if we find a solution which works for Krita, it's a solution all
applications in this field can use. We can use Krita to experiment and easily
modify for improvements.
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--- Comment #35 from David REVOY ---
Ok, I might move to System Settings discussions. I was not convinced by any
arguments here except the protection of Plasma KDE userbase against change.
This is strong and valid, I can understand if it is the
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--- Comment #34 from David Edmundson ---
1) Change Window Action Key default to Super/Meta;
What you are asking us to _break_ the workflow of all of users. Most of whom
are currently unaffected. That is not going to happen during 5x and is not
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--- Comment #33 from Martin Flöser ---
(In reply to Tyson Tan from comment #32)
> We did not ask you to remove Window Action Key. I was only arguing its
> usefulness, and it wasn't even the point of that comment. You are focusing
> on the wrong place.
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--- Comment #32 from Tyson Tan ---
We did not ask you to remove Window Action Key. I was only arguing its
usefulness, and it wasn't even the point of that comment. You are focusing on
the wrong place.
Let me rephrase what we really asked you to
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--- Comment #31 from Tyson Tan ---
Now please let me share a story about how Microsoft handles a similar
situation:
As you all know, a keyboard has only western letters on it. So how do the
non-western language speakers input their native languages?
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--- Comment #30 from David REVOY ---
@Martin: I never proposed to remove the feature. The proposition is to change
the Alt default shortcut for this feature and move it to the Meta key, or ease
the way to discover how to setup it. Again, making a
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--- Comment #29 from Tyson Tan ---
Created attachment 115467
--> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=115467=edit
GNOME Window Action Key Setting
This is how GNOME handles the Window Action Key settings, using
gnome-tweak-tool which is
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--- Comment #28 from Martin Flöser ---
Removing features won't brong us artists or gamers to linux. Gnome tried and
what did they earn: a bad reputation. But no new users. No windows user will go
"finally that feature is gone now I'm going to use
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--- Comment #27 from David REVOY ---
@Martin: The awesomeness of the feature (I don't doubt about it) or the Reddit
mini featuring of the Alt key with 85 upvotes are not really valid arguments;
especially when three comments in the same Reddit say they
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--- Comment #26 from Martin Flöser ---
I just looked at our code and what could be done in both Krita and KWin. In
case you are only interested in Alt+pen KWin could be changed to use Xinput2
and only grab the pointer leaving pen using unchanged. See
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--- Comment #25 from Martin Flöser ---
We don't need polls: that feature is extremely popular. Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9ldyhs/altleftclickdrag_to_move_windows/
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--- Comment #24 from David REVOY ---
@Tyson: I keep supporting all your point-of-view and argument in this
discussion ( ‘-’)人(ﾟ_ﾟ ) I also appreciate the feedback and time spent by David
and Martin here and what Martin proposes. I read a lot of
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--- Comment #23 from Martin Flöser ---
Git commit cefc15e573d28b27d75040d9d58323e933a4c839 by Martin Flöser.
Committed on 06/10/2018 at 16:05.
Pushed by graesslin into branch 'master'.
Ignore modifier mouse actions when the pointer is constrained
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--- Comment #22 from Martin Flöser ---
And I just implemented the mentioned change for Wayland
(https://phabricator.kde.org/D15982 ) which btw. is my first code contribution
since about half a year or so.
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--- Comment #21 from Martin Flöser ---
(In reply to Tyson Tan from comment #18)
> Just let use know about it.
My priority? Improving the product and the ecosystem. But to be clear: my
opinion doesn't matter any more. I stepped down as maintainer. I
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--- Comment #20 from David Edmundson ---
Fwiw I just merged a patch doing that in breeze qstyle in the drag from empty
areas based on a comments bound made in the other thread.
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--- Comment #19 from Martin Flöser ---
Stupid question: is mouse at all relevant for Krita or is only (Wacom) pen
relevant? KWin only grabs alt+mouse and doesn't care for pen. It's only taken
as X maps it to mouse. But if pen is relevant all you need
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--- Comment #18 from Tyson Tan ---
If you have to put this this way, then just let us know about your priority --
who are your target users?
A) The old time programmers (less than 1%)
B) The majority of normal people who have been trained over 20
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--- Comment #17 from Martin Flöser ---
I just did some research: the first window manager (twm) already uses the
pattern of modifier+click to move a window (see for example:
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--- Comment #16 from Martin Flöser ---
Guys, I don't care about industry standards. I can show 10 different industry
standards. The only thing you present here is "my industry standard is more
important than all other users". That's not a position
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--- Comment #15 from Tyson Tan ---
There are things I would like to clarify:
1) THIS IS NOT FOR KRITA
I reported this bug, not because we are trying to push change for Krita's sake.
I and David Revoy here are sharing the common sense of how Modifier
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--- Comment #14 from Martin Flöser ---
To make it quite clear: I'm totally open to improve the situation. I'm not open
to change the default shortcut. As I said: changing the default shortcut
doesn't fix the problem. It just shifts it somewhere else.
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--- Comment #13 from Tyson Tan ---
@David Reevoy:
Thank you for all the explanation. Now I can rest in peace -- knowing there has
been a history of intricacies behind all these and they all contributed to the
status quo.
I'm relatively new to this
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--- Comment #12 from David REVOY ---
> Why isn't krita changing?
@David Edmundson : It is a standard adopted since decades by many apps and
compatible MacOS and Windows. All the software I ever used in 20 years of
career use combination of Shift, Ctrl
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--- Comment #11 from David Edmundson ---
>Or was META chosen just because kwin took ALT away.
Kwin and openbox and older gnome and compiz and...
Choosing a key that isn't already taken seems like a /very/ sensible thing to
do.
Why isn't krita
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--- Comment #10 from Tyson Tan ---
Also I would like to suggest we ask the developers of those META key using KDE
applications this question:
Why did they ended up with META of all things for their shortcuts in the first
place? Was META their first
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--- Comment #9 from Tyson Tan ---
I don't expect things can be fixed now, since the decision has been made. I'm
sorry but I think the solutions you mentioned seem to be way too far-fetched. I
want to be honest here and make sure you understand my
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--- Comment #8 from Martin Flöser ---
We cannot change such a default for one app. Sorry. It breaks tons of
documentation and will break other software assuming meta is free. If you
insist on changing it would mean you consider Krita's need as more
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--- Comment #7 from Tyson Tan ---
Just to share my perspective here:
# ALT for Add/Subtract is the industry standard that came much earlier than
Krita
Every graphics editor I know has been using ALT for the same "Add/Subtract from
selection" since
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--- Comment #6 from Martin Flöser ---
I don't want this to turn into a who breaks whom, but let's face it. In this
case KWin has been using Alt for this behavior much longer than Krita existed.
Given the strong KDE reliance of Krita it's surprising
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--- Comment #5 from David REVOY ---
@David Edmundson: Sorry for my ignorance about Digikam using Meta key as a
modifier. Thank you for pointing it with the sources. I understand the topic is
really complex.
The thread is marked as Resolved now and I
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Edit, gnome shell now doesn't.
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