[LegacyUG] entering royal titles
I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
There may well be variations in description of names amongst our Royal Family, but what one needs to know is the family name, or, perhaps more accurately, the house name. For example George V was born into the House of Windsor and a search for George Windsor 1865 +/-2 will find his christening. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: nconway...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 09 November 2009 18:02 Subject: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
There is no standard, even among the most reputable genealogists. There are continuous debates among them. Remember, PLANTAGENET is not a surname. The important thing is to have in your files as many of the different names a person is known by. That does mean much searching, but that is the research necessary when dealing with titles, especially pre-1600 ones. And, spellings are all over the place too, so familiarity with those variants helps too. Legacy allows a person to be entered in many different ways, the main reason I switched ages ago. For instance, you can enter (surname in CAPS): Humphrey V de BOHUN, suffix = 1st Earl of Essex prefix = 1st Earl, Humphrey V de Bohun, of ESSEX Humphrey de BOHUN, suffix = 2nd Earl of Hereford prefix = 2nd Earl, Humphrey de Bohun, of HEREFORD If you show AKAs, you can find the person under BOHUN, HEREFORD, and ESSEX. This method can also show the succession of titles. CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of nconway...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.48/2479 - Release Date: 11/08/09 19:39:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
You'll probably get lots of suggestions and things get complicated with the Windsor's. In 1917, the name House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was changed to House of Windsor by King George V (Edward's son), largely because of anti-German sentiment during WW I. So Edward VII (son of Queen Victoria) and his son, George V (until his 1917 proclamation), ruled as the House of SCG. In 1917, however, George V issued this proclamation: Now, therefore, We, out of Our Royal Will and Authority, do hereby declare and announce that as from the date of this Our Royal Proclamation Our House and Family shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that all the descendants in the male line of Our said Grandmother Queen Victoria who are subjects of these Realms, other than female descendants who may marry or may have married, shall bear the said Name of Windsor... Thus, Edward VIII, later Duke of Windsor and son of Edward VII, had the royal surname of Windsor. You could reasonably use Windsor as the royal surname and use the suffix field to denote his two titles: King Edward VIII, later Duke of Windsor. In 1952, Queen Elizabeth II reaffirmed George V's proclamation and managed to make this situation even more complicated. Some of her descendants are Windsor, but others are Montbatten-Windsor. As for the Archduke of Austria, I believe he was of the House of Habsburg. I'm sure others will have better suggestions; as I said previously, things can get complicated. Jon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] entering royal titles
I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
Just a few of the variants you may need for finding Habsburgs: Hapsburg, Habsbourg, Hapsbourg, Holy Roman Emperor, Austria, Spain, Habichtsburg, Habsburg-Laufenburg CE -Original Message- As for the Archduke of Austria, I believe he was of the House of Habsburg. I'm sure others will have better suggestions; as I said previously, things can get complicated. Jon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
jraymond...@aol.com wrote: So Edward VII (son of Queen Victoria) and his son, George V (until his 1917 proclamation), ruled as the House of SCG. In 1917, however, George V issued this proclamation: Now, therefore, We, out of Our Royal Will and Authority, do hereby declare and announce that as from the date of this Our Royal Proclamation Our House and Family shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that all the descendants in the male line of Our said Grandmother Queen Victoria who are subjects of these Realms, other than female descendants who may marry or may have married, shall bear the said Name of Windsor... An early example of a Deed Poll :-) -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
The best guideline I've seen for this situation is _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson. (I bought my copy from the Legacy store.) Slawson has a full 100 pages on how to handle names and titles using Legacy screens for her examples. Although many people make up their own rules for entering this data, Slawson's book is heavily oriented toward LDS members doing temple work, so perhaps following her suggestions would bring up more hits in the IGI or other LDS databases. The guidelines are far too extensive to quote here, so I'd suggest you invest in the book. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of nconway...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles
Thanks Kirsten, I'll check into that book. - Original Message From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 4:31:10 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles The best guideline I've seen for this situation is _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson. (I bought my copy from the Legacy store.) Slawson has a full 100 pages on how to handle names and titles using Legacy screens for her examples. Although many people make up their own rules for entering this data, Slawson's book is heavily oriented toward LDS members doing temple work, so perhaps following her suggestions would bring up more hits in the IGI or other LDS databases. The guidelines are far too extensive to quote here, so I'd suggest you invest in the book. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of nconway...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] entering royal titles I'm having a problem searching for IGI names. I haven't been able to find any guidance on how to enter royal titles into genealogy programs. Typically royals don't have formal surnames prior to the early 1900's so where exactly do you put their title? Do you put the entire title as their surname, i.e, Duke of Windsor? Do you break it up - Prefix: Duke Suffix: of Windsor. I've noticed that if I use the IGI search, I get a lot of zero results. But if I go to the family search site I get results for the same person. Example, I have Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Austria in my database, entered as First Name: Ferdinand Karl , Surname:Archduke of Austria. IGI search in Legacy returns zero hits. If I go to the website and enter First Name: Ferdinand Karl Archduke of Surname:Austria I get 3 results. However, not all records are like that. I'm confusedWhat is the actual standard for this? Thanks a bunch NConway Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
