subject:"Re\: \[LegacyUG\] Concerns about MyHeritage"

Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Linda Greethurst

As I understand it, Legacy will continue to be its own program just as it
always has been.

To share your data with MyHeritage, FamilySearch, Ancestry or any other
commercial online tree - including DNA trees- has ALWAYS been your choice.
If you choose to put your data online, you are responsible to know what you
are getting into first. You know what kind of information gets put on
public trees - some is good, some is terrible.   You are in total control
of the decision to add your information.  Legacy doesn't do it
automatically for you.  They are just trying to facilitate a method of
transfer for you - IF that is what you want.  What happens after that
transfer of data to a new location is not a Legacy problem.

Legacy is a powerful and complicated program and I'm guessing that many of
us utilize only about half of the features consistantly.  I'm sure Geoff
and the rest of the team have done a lot of study ahead of time before
committing to the merger.  Gee, I bet they even know something about future
plans that we don't even have a clue.  Give them a chance.  No program is
going to be so perfect that it will do everything that every one of us
want.  But boy, Legacy sure fits the bill perfectly for me and I choose not
to put my trees online.

So, like Donna says "wait and see"before you start throwing out the barbs.
It's your choice.
Linda in Iowa

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Douglas Tighe <missymoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for that reassuring information Cathy
> Cheers Doug
>
> > On 6 Aug 2017, at 12:18, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is a lot of bad information and speculation floating about.
> >
> > Legacy was last week and is this week a desktop programme. There is no
> automatic sync of your data anywhere.
> > For those using the Legacy Cloud backup, only you have access to it,
> only you have the password.
> >
> > The merger means that Legacy 10 will have the ability to sync your tree
> with a My Heritage tree. It has been said that this will be entirely
> optional.
> >
> > So your information in Legacy is only going to get somewhere else,
> including My Heritage, if you or someone you share it with puts it there.
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> >> Douglas Tighe <mailto:missymoo...@gmail.com>
> >> Sunday, 6 August 2017 10:11 AM
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Can anyone with the knowledge advise us all how to protect our Legacy
> files from now on please.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Doug Tighe in marvellous Queensland
> >>
> >>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:53, <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au  johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au  johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy-
> not the other way around.
> >>>
> >>> Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but
> thought they may cite sources which could be checked by me.
> >>>
> >>> I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a documentary
> how British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes changed official
> family trees in order to justify or make claims to the throne for
> themselves or their descendants.
> >>>
> >>> I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies
> like Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants from
> rural hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of continental Europe,
> although a German branch from the time of the HRE included some nobles etc.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Maria Fraser <mailto:frase...@clear.net.nz>
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
> >>> *To:* Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
> >>> Hi John
> >>>
> >>> I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have
> described.
> >>>
> >>> I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage
> taking control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very
> disappointed that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried
> several different family tree programmes over the years and had hoped that
> Legacy was finally the programme that I could

Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Douglas Tighe

Thanks for that reassuring information Cathy
Cheers Doug

> On 6 Aug 2017, at 12:18, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a lot of bad information and speculation floating about.
> 
> Legacy was last week and is this week a desktop programme. There is no 
> automatic sync of your data anywhere.
> For those using the Legacy Cloud backup, only you have access to it, only you 
> have the password.
> 
> The merger means that Legacy 10 will have the ability to sync your tree with 
> a My Heritage tree. It has been said that this will be entirely optional.
> 
> So your information in Legacy is only going to get somewhere else, including 
> My Heritage, if you or someone you share it with puts it there.
> 
> Cathy
> 
>> Douglas Tighe <mailto:missymoo...@gmail.com>
>> Sunday, 6 August 2017 10:11 AM
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone with the knowledge advise us all how to protect our Legacy files 
>> from now on please.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Doug Tighe in marvellous Queensland
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:53, <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
>>> <mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
>>> <mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy- not 
>>> the other way around.
>>> 
>>> Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but thought 
>>> they may cite sources which could be checked by me.
>>> 
>>> I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a documentary how 
>>> British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes changed official family 
>>> trees in order to justify or make claims to the throne for themselves or 
>>> their descendants.
>>> 
>>> I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies like 
>>> Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants from rural 
>>> hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of continental Europe, 
>>> although a German branch from the time of the HRE included some nobles etc.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> *From:* Maria Fraser <mailto:frase...@clear.net.nz>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>>> Hi John
>>> 
>>> I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have 
>>> described.
>>> 
>>> I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage taking 
>>> control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very 
>>> disappointed that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried  
>>> several different family tree programmes over the years and had hoped that 
>>> Legacy was finally the programme that I could continue to use without 
>>> hesitation. I also thought that no one else could copy my information 
>>> without my permission - silly me.
>>> 
>>> Maria from NZ
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for 
>>>> various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t 
>>>> remember any other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to 
>>>> enter an end date for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. 
>>>> From memory, I had to get out of their website and search on Google to 
>>>> find out how to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I 
>>>> thought I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their 
>>>> website.
>>>> 
>>>> You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on 
>>>> guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to 
>>>> reset everything to defaults that suit them.
>>>> 
>>>> Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact 
>>>> them or see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.
>>>> 
>>>> On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, 
>>>> but his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed 
>>>> to be an engineer!
>>>> 
>>>> I think MyHeritage will

Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Susie Zada

Your Legacy files are protected by not uploading them to the web!

Millenium don’t have your data, neither do Ancestry, Findmypast, Family Search, 
or MyHeritage UNLESS you have given it to them!

If you decide to upload your data, learn how to protect it FIRST not AFTER 
you’ve uploaded it!

Regards … Susie Z

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Douglas Tighe
Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:12 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

Hi all,

Can anyone with the knowledge advise us all how to protect our Legacy files 
from now on please. 

Cheers
Doug Tighe in marvellous Queensland





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Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Cathy Pinner

There is a lot of bad information and speculation floating about.

Legacy was last week and is this week a desktop programme. There is no
automatic sync of your data anywhere.
For those using the Legacy Cloud backup, only you have access to it,
only you have the password.

The merger means that Legacy 10 will have the ability to sync your tree
with a My Heritage tree. It has been said that this will be entirely
optional.

So your information in Legacy is only going to get somewhere else,
including My Heritage, if you or someone you share it with puts it there.

Cathy

Douglas Tighe <mailto:missymoo...@gmail.com>
Sunday, 6 August 2017 10:11 AM
Hi all,

Can anyone with the knowledge advise us all how to protect our Legacy
files from now on please.

Cheers
Doug Tighe in marvellous Queensland

On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:53, <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
<mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
<mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> wrote:

I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy-
not the other way around.

Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but
thought they may cite sources which could be checked by me.

I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a
documentary how British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes
changed official family trees in order to justify or make claims to
the throne for themselves or their descendants.

I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies
like Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants
from rural hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of
continental Europe, although a German branch from the time of the HRE
included some nobles etc.

John

*From:* Maria Fraser <mailto:frase...@clear.net.nz>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
*To:* Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
Hi John

I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have
described.

I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage
taking control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am
very disappointed that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy. I have
tried several different family tree programmes over the years and
had hoped that Legacy was finally the programme that I could continue
to use without hesitation. I also thought that no one else could copy
my information without my permission - silly me.

Maria from NZ

On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it
for various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year
and I don’t remember any other options. It was extremely difficult
to find out how to enter an end date for the subscription because it
was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get out of their website
and search on Google to find out how to do it.

I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I
thought I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on
their website.

You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be
on guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires”
everywhere to reset everything to defaults that suit them.

Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To
contact them or see their website, often requires paying the premium
subscription.

On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using
MyHeritage, but his information was full of errors and false
presumptions. He claimed to be an engineer!

I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from
Legacy users. Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more
and more features and upgrades. As for cloud storage of family
files- as soon as users get used to it, there is little doubt that
costs will be attached.

MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while
making you pay as much possible to search for any.

John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Douglas Tighe

Hi all,

Can anyone with the knowledge advise us all how to protect our Legacy files 
from now on please. 

Cheers
Doug Tighe in marvellous Queensland

> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:53, <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> 
> <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy- not the 
> other way around.
> 
> Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but thought they 
> may cite sources which could be checked by me.
> 
> I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a documentary how 
> British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes changed official family 
> trees in order to justify or make claims to the throne for themselves or 
> their descendants.
> 
> I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies like 
> Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants from rural 
> hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of continental Europe, 
> although a German branch from the time of the HRE included some nobles etc.
> 
>  
> John
> 
> From: Maria Fraser
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>  
> Hi John
> 
> I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have described. 
> 
> I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage taking 
> control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very disappointed 
> that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried  several different 
> family tree programmes over the years and had hoped that Legacy was finally 
> the programme that I could continue to use without hesitation. I also thought 
> that no one else could copy my information without my permission - silly me.
> 
> Maria from NZ
> 
> 
>> On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
>> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for 
>> various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t 
>> remember any other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to 
>> enter an end date for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From 
>> memory, I had to get out of their website and search on Google to find out 
>> how to do it.
>> 
>> I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought 
>> I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website.
>> 
>> You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on 
>> guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to 
>> reset everything to defaults that suit them.
>> 
>> Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them 
>> or see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.
>> 
>> On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, 
>> but his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to 
>> be an engineer!
>> 
>> I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy 
>> users. Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more 
>> features and upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as 
>> users get used to it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.
>> 
>> MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making you 
>> pay as much possible to search for any.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread johnbernacki1

I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy- not the 
other way around.

Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but thought they 
may cite sources which could be checked by me.

I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a documentary how 
British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes changed official family trees 
in order to justify or make claims to the throne for themselves or their 
descendants.

I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies like 
Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants from rural 
hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of continental Europe, although 
a German branch from the time of the HRE included some nobles etc. 



John

From: Maria Fraser 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

Hi John

I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have described. 

I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage taking 
control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very disappointed 
that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried  several different 
family tree programmes over the years and had hoped that Legacy was finally the 
programme that I could continue to use without hesitation. I also thought that 
no one else could copy my information without my permission - silly me.

Maria from NZ



On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

  I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for various 
reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t remember any 
other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to enter an end date 
for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get 
out of their website and search on Google to find out how to do it.

  I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought 
I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website. 

  You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on 
guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to reset 
everything to defaults that suit them.

  Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them 
or see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.

  On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, 
but his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to be 
an engineer!

  I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy 
users. Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more features 
and upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as users get used 
to it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.

  MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making you pay 
as much possible to search for any.



  John


   




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Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread Maria Fraser


Hi John

I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have 
described.


I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage 
taking control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very 
disappointed that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried  
several different family tree programmes over the years and had hoped 
that Legacy was finally the programme that I could continue to use 
without hesitation. I also thought that no one else could copy my 
information without my permission - silly me.


Maria from NZ


On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:


I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for 
various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I 
don’t remember any other options. It was extremely difficult to find 
out how to enter an end date for the subscription because it was 
buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get out of their website and 
search on Google to find out how to do it.


I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I 
thought I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on 
their website.


You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be 
on guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” 
everywhere to reset everything to defaults that suit them.


Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To 
contact them or see their website, often requires paying the premium 
subscription.


On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using 
MyHeritage, but his information was full of errors and false 
presumptions. He claimed to be an engineer!


I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from 
Legacy users. Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more 
and more features and upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- 
as soon as users get used to it, there is little doubt that costs will 
be attached.


MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making 
you pay as much possible to search for any.


John







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Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

2017-08-05 Thread CE WOOD

Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know only that.


Complete privacy on the website occurs ONLY if you set those options on your 
website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on your website, you must 
set the privacy settings for each. Some people don't mind having people find 
and/or view some of their trees.


You can even set your tree so that it cannot be found if someone searches. You 
can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If someone can't find 
your info by searching, they cannot view it.


You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of "members", and 
you can prevent "members" from changing anything on your site.


On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think a source 
is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions, you can never trust 
anyone else's sources; you must go to their source yourself to check.


My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents (primary 
sources) or reliable secondary sources such as Complete Peerage, Domesday 
Descendants, Domesday People, Settipani's tomes, etc.., but, with new documents 
being discovered almost daily, especially in England, errors have been found in 
many of those. There are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the 
corrections in those.


MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your 
information that you allow them.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for various 
reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t remember any 
other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to enter an end date 
for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get 
out of their website and search on Google to find out how to do it.
I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought I 
kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website.
You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on guard. 
Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to reset 
everything to defaults that suit them.
Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them or 
see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.
On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, but 
his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to be an 
engineer!
I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy users. 
Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more features and 
upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as users get used to 
it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.
MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making you pay 
as much possible to search for any.

John
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