@Pieren Well that is exactly the point: we should hold ourselves to a
higher standard than other organisations.
@Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not-
simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to
actually go out and collect it. Google has
2014-04-08 10:39 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch:
@Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not-
simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to
actually go out and collect it. Google has done so and that we should
respect, regardless of
Am 08.04.2014 10:55, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2014-04-08 10:39 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
mailto:si...@poole.ch:
@Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not-
simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to
actually
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:19:51 +0200
From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform
virtual survey
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Am 08.04.2014 16:16, schrieb Paulo Carvalho:
..
I guess I missed something. Can you, please, explain that? I didn't
get the IP issues part and consequently why Google unlikely would be
the problem. That leads to the question about who would pose problems.
There is simply a
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 02:38:07 +0200
From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
To: Licensing and other legal discussions.
legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform
virtualsurvey
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This is obviously a legal grey area and until it ends up in court I
suspect it will remain a grey area.
However, I feel what IS black and white is that if we were to
officially use Google StreetView or any non-open source to build our
data then we should expect a lawsuit from Google or any
I think the License Working Group would echo exactly what Jonathan says.
While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where there are
no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote John McKerrell's
excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great under-exploited tool!
Most has already been said on this topic. Just one comment on the,
superficially sane sounding, idea of getting a declaratory judgement:
forgetting the ethical side of it (do we really want to use data
collected by somebody that doesn't want us to do so?), we would need
such a judgement in -every-
Am 07/apr/2014 um 19:57 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch:
forgetting the ethical side of it (do we really want to use data collected by
somebody that doesn't want us to do so?),
from an ethical point of view you could also see it like this: as the
information (geographic facts) in the
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:04:58 +0200
From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform
virtual survey
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On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:
Am 06/apr/2014 um 01:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
or if a court decision says *exactly* that it is OK to copy stuff for
OSM.
how would you get that decision if you didn't use the material
Am 07/apr/2014 um 02:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
You can always file for a declaratory judgment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment
interesting, wouldn't it be a good idea to try this for deriving facts from
google sat or street view? On the other
Dear fellow mappers,
Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil
community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group
regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking
notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps.
After
Hi,
On 05.04.2014 17:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote:
Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use
them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be
genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in
Mapillary, for instance, but the facts
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Paulo Carvalho
paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear fellow mappers,
Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil
community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group
regarding Google Street View to perform virtual
The general opinion on this list has been, for cases where there wasn't
a clear-cut license that answers these questions: We'll use the data if
the copyright owner says we can use it. Bye
Frederik
I recon that the images are copyrighted, not the objects depicted by them.
Hi,
You may find more discussion of this topic on this OSM help page:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps
I see many people agree that we can use the images to access reality. This
does not mean we're using the images themselves, which
FWIW, I agree with you that it should not be a case of copyright
infringement to obtain uncopyrightable facts from copyroghted sources.
Here's a blog post that even argues that it is OK to trace from Google's
satellite imagery: http://www.systemed.net/blog/legacy/100.html
But OSM does not
On 6 April 2014 00:04, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps
I see many people agree that we can use the images to access reality. This
does not mean we're using the images themselves,
From: Paulo Carvalho [mailto:paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 8:51 AM
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual
survey
Dear fellow mappers,
Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from
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