I tried to search the list archives before posting but couldn't see anything
about this.
The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting
time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not that it wasn't mapped.
These streets are usually used to prove copyright
Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go to the area.
More seriously, I don't see the point of this question since all data that
we are supposed to collect are based on facts that we collected. Seeing
streets that don't exist should not be a problem in the first place. The
problem arises when
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go
to the area.
More seriously, I don't see the point of this question
since all data that we are supposed to collect are based on
facts that we collected. Seeing streets that
On 12 Aug 2009, at 11:16, John Smith wrote:
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go
to the area.
More seriously, I don't see the point of this question
since all data that we are supposed to collect are based on
facts
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 12:16:44 pm John Smith wrote:
how to mark it in OSM so others will know it
doesn't exist, not that it isn't mapped.
I really don't think marking non-existent stuff in OSM is a good idea. I take
place for nothing and what append if a road is build at the place you
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Vincent MEURISSE wrote:
If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by openstreetbug,
put it on your server and then you can have annotations on the map.
thanks Vincent
that could well be a workable solution
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--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Vincent MEURISSE osm-le...@meurisse.org wrote:
If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by
openstreetbug, put
it on your server and then you can have annotations on the
map.
That's less than I was hoping for, simply because it's hard enough to decide on
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I understand your point. However, I am not sure that
there is any way to detect if a road exists or not unless
you are going there. You would need a list of existing roads
We are going out there and using GPS' however if
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com
I don't think you fully understood me, we're not trying to work out from
other maps what roads don't exist, we are trying to tell mappers that come
after us that a road they see on a map doesn't exist and don't waste your
time trying to map
John Smith wrote:
The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting
time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not that it wasn't mapped.
Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls, hedges, a
park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls,
hedges, a
park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't
copyrighted), so
people know that someone has visited the area and mapped it
in detail.
If there is no
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Chris Hill chillly...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Write a Wiki page showing the
progress of the area. You can make comments there.
It needs to be spatially recorded, there is literally 100s of non-existing
roads within 50km of here, Australia is 7.7 mill sq km...
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I tried to search the list archives before posting but couldn't see anything
about this.
The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting
time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
Draw a bounding box around it and mark it as all roads
complete in OSM?
What about drawing an area in the approx area that the road is supposed to be?
If you put it across a larger area that complicates things when new roads are
built
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, don't mark them as normal roads if they are in a
degraded state.
It's worst than that in a lot of cases, they were gazetted, but never built.
From discussions on talk-au list today a lot of mapping companies refer to
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
One such road went into someone's car port, I don't think we have
barrier=car_port :)
in this case it will not be a road but a highway=service in Europe and
probably access=private (at least for the last few meters), don't know
about the
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, don't mark them as normal roads if they are in a
degraded state.
It's worst than that in a lot of cases, they were gazetted, but never built.
there is also a tagging
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually this is not legal-talk anymore. I think the answer
was:
separate Layer if you run the servers on your own is OK,
but please
don't map nonexisting roads from other maps (and maybe with
tag
easter_egg=foomap) and
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com
That was one opinion there was other contradictory opinions given as well.
We aren't copying from maps but trying to map an observation that will be
very beneficial to others that come after us. It's just a question of how to
do this in the most
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
I think I do now. As Vincent stated, I don't believe
that OSM should contain non existent roads that are actually
way to identify copyrighted data; that would be imported
that said copyrighted data in OSM.
We're not trying to
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls,
hedges, a
park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't
copyrighted), so
people know that someone has visited the area
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
We're not trying to put copyrighted information in the database, we're
recording an observation, no different then recording the name on a street
sign,
no, it's not the same. Because you're gonna write that there is
nothing. Why there? Why don't
The original point remains: this observation is based on
easter eggs of copyrighted data. IANAL but it seems that it
is very similar to the conclusions that were reached that
data obtained from Google Maps is not valid.
I'm not sure how I can make this clearer, but virtually no map online
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds as good as the Map_Features defined values (and
even better
than smoothness=very_horrible), so yes, I think this
works. Even a
single node saying note=no road here or perhaps note=no
turn here
where the supposed
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