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On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 05:52 PM, R. Jason Cronk wrote:
Anything which potentially signaled your receipt of an NSL would
be grounds for prosecution under the gag-order. This is what the
prosecutor was alluding to when he signaled that
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For large companies, I wonder how resignations would count in this?
Could an NSL require, say, the lead cryptographer of an org to /not/
resign?
They could easily do the equivalent of an East German Berufsverbot and
make it impossible for them
I think if they resigned in a publicly protesting way, then possibly
they could be on the hook. In other words, if they resigned and said
I'm resigning but I *CAN'T* tell you why then that could arguably be a
signal. However, if they just resigned and weren't ostentatious about it
then it
Although not an unalloyed fan of Ms. Rand, her words of 50 years ago do
seem relevant to our current situation ---
Instead of being a protector of man’s rights, the government is becoming
their most dangerous violator.
Instead of protecting men from the initiators of physical force, the
On 09/12/2013 04:00 PM, Case Black wrote:
Although not an unalloyed fan of Ms. Rand, her words of 50 years ago
do seem relevant to our current situation ---
Instead of being a protector of man’s rights, the government is
becoming their most dangerous violator.
Instead of protecting men from
Anything which potentially signaled your receipt of an NSL would be
grounds for prosecution under the gag-order. This is what the prosecutor
was alluding to when he signaled that Lavabit's shut down was tantamount
to a violation because his shut down essentially communicated the fact
that he
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, R. Jason Cronk r...@privacymaverick.com
wrote:
Anything which potentially signaled your receipt of an NSL would be grounds
for prosecution under the gag-order. This is what the prosecutor was
alluding to when he signaled that Lavabit's shut down was tantamount
On 09/09/2013 11:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
On 09/09/2013 03:40 PM, Case Black wrote:
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an
NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no
law against
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On Monday, September 09, 2013 05:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
On 09/09/2013 03:40 PM, Case Black wrote:
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
[SNIP]
In short I don't think there's a hack for this one, it just
requires old fashioned
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Well, you could do it in another way: have a sign somwhere and post a
webcam to it, which renews the picture every now an then... many
things can happen to this offline signs without codings
Hauke
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Hello,
I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who
posted a sign that looked like this:
http://www.librarian.net/pics/antipat4.gif and would remove it if visited
by the FBI. So a naive question comes to mind: If I operated an internet
service, and I posted a thing that
On 9 Sep 2013, at 17:29, Scott Arciszewski kobrasre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who posted
a sign that looked like this: http://www.librarian.net/pics/antipat4.gif and
would remove it if visited by the FBI. So a naive
Presumably, if this type of approach became widely adopted, it would be
a useful service for an independent group to monitor the status of these
notices and periodically publish a report of which companies had removed
their notice.
On 09/09/2013 12:52 PM, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
Forgot the URL:
I wonder if there's a false analogy here. Hypothetically, the
librarian's sign could fall down (maybe the wind blew it over) whereas a
notice on a site would have to be removed via coding. There would be
little other explanation, even in the case where one does not
affirmatively renew the dead
Forgot the URL:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/09/nsa-sabotage-dead-mans-switch
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Scott Arciszewski kobrasre...@gmail.comwrote:
Hello,
I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who
posted a sign that looked like this:
That is genius.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an
NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law
against falsely
You are awesome,clever, and full of tricks. :) Should I credit you with
this?
yrs,
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an
NSL...with the public
That, and civil disobedience á la Lavabit.
/P
On 09 September, 2013 - Matt Johnson wrote:
All of the sneaky signs, email headers and web page badges assume the
FBI, or whoever the adversary is are incompetent or inept. That does
not see like a safe assumption to me. The only prudent
I absolutely agree with your point...cleverness alone doesn't go very far
against ruthless adversaries.
To paraphrase a prior post that's quite relevant to this discussion:
...the members of this list are uniquely qualified to influence that
policy debate in terms of shaping both hard and soft
All of the sneaky signs, email headers and web page badges assume the
FBI, or whoever the adversary is are incompetent or inept. That does
not see like a safe assumption to me. The only prudent approach is to
assume your adversary is intelligent and competent.
My guess is that the only defense
On 09/09/2013 03:40 PM, Case Black wrote:
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an
NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no
law against falsely making such a claim...yet!).
When actually
Oh yes, but it's funny as hell. There's something to be said for that in
times like this.
Mouse, meet owl.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote:
I absolutely agree with your point...cleverness alone doesn't go very far
against ruthless adversaries.
To
There's a more subtle variant to this idea...
Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an
NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law
against falsely making such a claim...yet!).
When actually served with an NSL, you would now be bound by law
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