On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 02:15:15AM +0200, André Rebentisch wrote:
Dear all,
do you follow the news?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/berlin-washington-cold-war
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/eu-confronts-us-over-alleged-spying-on-european-allies/article12899295/
It is huge and a strong burden on transatlantic relations, a game
Do you really think that such large scale intercepts are possible without full
knowledge and cooperation of key people in politics and industry?
Of course not, Eugen! They all know it. But now there's proof. Tangible
..on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 02:26:11PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 02:15:15AM +0200, André Rebentisch wrote:
Dear all,
do you follow the news?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/berlin-washington-cold-war
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On 07/01/2013 03:44 PM, taxakis wrote:
Of course not, Eugen! They all know it. But now there's proof.
Tangible documents stamped Top Secret. And there's a witness,
Snowden, who plainly details it in front of a TV camera. And in a
You're right of course: it was a facile reply of mine, particularly on here.
It's how we respond that matters.
On 30 Jun 2013, at 04:10, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
Paul Bernal (LAW):
None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable
assumption that all
We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of
the real situation We purely and simply deserved everything that
happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956: An Experiment in Literary
Investigation, books V-VII
On 6/29/13 11:09 PM,
Dear all,
do you follow the news?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/berlin-washington-cold-war
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/eu-confronts-us-over-alleged-spying-on-european-allies/article12899295/
http://www.dw.de/us-to-respond-to-nsa-spying-allegations/a-16916869
It is
There was a hearing last week in Dutch parliament about PRISM. There
was another interesting point being discussed a rumor that the TAT-14
cable in Katwijk was being eavesdropped. Not only is it eavesdropped,
but data is shared with the US!
Article below:
Revealed: secret European deals to hand
None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable assumption that
all intelligence agencies share their data on a pretty regular basis -
certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost certainly with others, on a quid
pro quo basis. It's always been that way.
On 29 Jun 2013, at
It was an Observer article, which shares a website with the Guardian despite
separate staff and editorial. It was also heavily dependent on Wayne Madsen as
a source, and he is a crackpot.
Guardian removed the article when they discovered what happened. Check Glenn
Greenwald's timeline on
Paul Bernal (LAW):
None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable
assumption that all intelligence agencies share their data on a
pretty regular basis - certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost
certainly with others, on a quid pro quo basis. It's always been that
way.
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