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Hi Nadim,
I largely agree with your assessment of Silent Circle and I offer these
thoughts in an effort to increase my understanding of the issue. The
product is a packaged solution clearly targeted towards business
customers focused on corporate privacy. And while the company offeres
regular
On 10/11/2012 12:04 PM, James Losey wrote:
Hi Nadim,
I largely agree with your assessment of Silent Circle and I offer these
thoughts in an effort to increase my understanding of the issue. The
product is a packaged solution clearly targeted towards business
customers focused on corporate
*TL:DR *I don't think Silent Circle is dangerous for the development of
cryptography software but demonstrates potential demand and can spark a
discussion of best and worst practices of crypto software development.
How did you jump to this? Even the softest cryptography software still
Hi everyone,
This might interest a few of you..and if not you might know who it would
interest.
In just under a month, the 2012 European eCampaigning Forum (e-campaigning
= digital activism for anyone in the US) is taking place near Vienna,
Austria on November 7-9. See more here
On 10/11/2012 09:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
James, you can charge for a service and leave it as open source
software. This has been done countless times over the years and has
functioned successfully. I am not against Silent Circle costing money -
I'm against it being closed source
On 10/11/2012 1:54 PM, Moxie Marlinspike wrote:
In general, I'm not actually convinced that OSS is a necessity for
secure communication tools. Protocols can generally be verified on the
wire, and unfortunately, the number of people who are going to be able
to look at software-based
Having sat for the better part of the day with Phil Zimmerman with activists
and journalists in a room, here is what I learned:
On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
On 10/11/2012 12:04 PM, James Losey wrote:
Hi Nadim,
I largely agree with your assessment of Silent Circle
On 10/11/2012 2:14 PM, Katrin Verclas wrote:
Having sat for the better part of the day with Phil Zimmerman with activists
and journalists in a room, here is what I learned:
On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
On 10/11/2012 12:04 PM, James Losey wrote:
Hi Nadim,
I
I like to see them deliver on the code audits before jumping to judgment since
the product is not even released. Zimmerman gets those reservations, for sure,
so let's see whether they can do a lot better than some companies before them.
For now, the fact that Zimmerman and another staffer
Eric King btw is the name of the person who is the head of research at Privacy
International.
https://www.privacyinternational.org/people/eric-king
Eric is head of research at Privacy International, where he runs the Big
Brother Incorporated project, an investigation of the international
That's great -- I'm going to hold up until there is some actual source code.
NK
On 10/11/2012 2:41 PM, Robert Guerra wrote:
Eric King btw is the name of the person who is the head of research at
Privacy International.
https://www.privacyinternational.org/people/eric-king
Eric is head
On 10/11/2012 11:24 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Zimmerman stated that servers are located in Canada to avoid US
subpoenas (not a lawyer, not sure what's that worth in the end).
His entire IP block is connected to servers in the United States. I
am very skeptical of that claim. Furthermore,
I just wanted to note that
hosting things in Canada isn't inherently, or necessarily, safer than
hosting in other countries. Canadian courts are as able as American
courts to apply pressure towards 'privacy sensitive' companies, with
Hushmail being a good example.
I would also note that
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On 10/09/2012 03:03 PM, Lindsay Beck wrote:
Thanks for compiling these resources! Another great tool that is
perfect for traveling is TAILS, which stands for The Amnesiac
Incognito Live System
...
For what it's worth, I was traveling OCONUS last
Dan Gillmor @dangillmor: @kaepora Phil Zimmerman told me yesterday
that Silent Circle (contrary to what you say in your post) will
publish source code.
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It would have been much nicer to create this thread based on real source
code, instead of a tweet based on word of mouth. We'll see.
NK
On 10/11/2012 3:27 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:
Dan Gillmor @dangillmor: @kaepora Phil Zimmerman told me yesterday
that Silent Circle (contrary to what you say
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On 10/10/2012 06:10 AM, Julian Oliver wrote:
Seth, your comments about the Quantum Crypto text are excellent
and, on looking more closely, factually correct. I personally don't
think such material has a place in a handbook like this but with
your
We both received the same messages from Ryan Gallagher and Dan Gillmor:
@rj_gallagher: @kaepora FYI I met with SC's CEO today for piece I'm
doing + he told me they'll be making everything open source.
That's why I added the question mark, in case someone on the list knew
anymore (for example,
Copying Susan Alderson, VP of Informatics, Silent Circle who was also in the
meeting Eric and I referred to.
Susan, forwarding you a thread from the Liberation Tech discussion list about
Silent Circle source code, location of servers, etc. Please feel free to chime
in, and nice to meet you!
Can someone explain what this big secret briefing was? Are they making the PR
rounds in DC?
Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote:
We both received the same messages from Ryan Gallagher and Dan Gillmor:
@rj_gallagher: @kaepora FYI I met with SC's CEO today for piece I'm
doing + he told me
Here's my prediction: Silent Circle will not fundamentally change anything. It
will have no where near the impact that Phil's work on open cryptography
standards has. It may be a great niche product for businesses, professional
journalist groups and large NGOs looking for a turnkey solution. It
On 10/11/2012 5:51 PM, Ryan Gallagher wrote:
To Nadim: I'm interested to know, did you contact anyone at SC before
writing your blog post? Seems to me you arrived at your rather scathing
conclusion largely on the basis of an assumption. A sort of shoot first,
ask questions later approach. It
On 10/11/2012 18:26 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
I sincerely apologize if my post is jumping the gun a bit, but aside
from reassurances in private press conferences, Silent Circle hasn't
made any statement that supports their releasing their code as open
source. In fact, they have been very
http://annalist.noblogs.org/post/2012/10/12/one-year-later-german-police-unable-to-develop-state-trojan/
One year after the Chaos Computer Club found and analysed an illegal
trojan virus used by German police, the so-called “state trojan”, and
one year after the German Federal Minister of
Hi Nadim,
You didn't directly respond to Ryan's question. Have you actually spoken to
anyone at Silent Circle?
The Silent Circle App isn't available for download to the general public
yet. As such, I think the company can be forgiven for not having source
code available just yet. Why not wait
I'm sorry but this could easily refer to open source libraries, and
commonly does. I will update my blog post again once source code is
available, which should hopefully be when the app is released next week.
NK
On Oct 11, 2012 6:49 PM, Ryan Gallagher r...@rjgallagher.co.uk wrote:
On
Hi Chris,
I regrettably did not speak to anyone from Silent Circle. This is
off-topic, but I find it kind of ironic for you to be asking me this; you
have written scathing critiques involving my own software efforts without
once contacting me, and I believe you to be much more guilty of jumping
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Is this a case of people (lib tech/security community) trusting people of
up-to-now good security community reputation (Phil Zimmerman and Jon Callas)
combined with public statements (to the affect of we will be releasing the
source code)
Hi all,
When considering the threat of legally compelled assistance, I think it is
useful to spell out the specific threats. The two big ones, IMHO, are
1. Compelled disclosure of data retained about users.
2. Compelled insertion of backdoors into the product.
Now, folks on this list are
Thanks for spelling it out, and Nathan.
NK
On Oct 11, 2012 8:12 PM, Nathan nat...@freitas.net wrote:
Ryan,
mm. It says on the SC website that it will use
Open Source Peer-Reviewed Encryption,
Peer Reviewed Encryption and Hashing Algorithms,
and also says we believe in open source. Is
Nathan writes:
Like organic, open-source is a term that is easily claimed but
not often truly fulfilled. Nadim should be given more credit for the
completely transparent and engaged open-source project he runs, and for
defending an approach and philosophy that he is completely living up to.
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