Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-05-06 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Cor, On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 18:30 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Thanks for your comments, and sorry for the delay on my side. Excellent work :-) * Here is a 2nd draft: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Use_of_MailList pretty ready for use, IMHO ;-) Sure -

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-05-06 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: I guess we need Thorsten (or someone) to add it to the mailing list description / subscription process - so people know what they're getting. Done - link in the description, and in the welcome mail. -- Thorsten pgplZDqIFlHlo.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-05-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Thorsten Behrens wrote (06-05-11 14:02) Done - link in the description, and in the welcome mail. Fine that it is helpful - that many may read and use it :-) Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation -

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-05-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks wrote (28-04-11 18:05) Reading this again I missed a few obvious pieces: Thanks for your comments, and sorry for the delay on my side. * Here is a 2nd draft: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Use_of_MailList pretty ready for use, IMHO ;-) * Linked

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Tor Lillqvist
But can you tell me that you *really* aren't aware of the OOo-dev builds build process? You developed on OOo: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper Sure, I am/was a registered domain developer, but I always worked in the ooo-build a.k.a. go-oo build mechanism. Never the

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi NoOp, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 18:43 -0700, NoOp wrote: I'm not a developer, but I consider my self to be an above-average user/tester with exeperience in installing, bug reporting et al on OOo and more recently LO. I can/do install test versions on everything from linux to Win (2K, XP, and

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Tor, Tor Lillqvist wrote (28-04-11 10:48) But can you tell me that you *really* aren't aware of the OOo-dev builds build process? You developed on OOo: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper Sure, I am/was a registered domain developer, but I always worked in the

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Tor Lillqvist
And is/was that OOo-dev thing ever used by anyone except Hamburg? Oh yes. It was the primary opportunity for anyone to install snap-shots, dev builds, betas or however they were called, I meant, were such builds *produced* by anyone except the Hamburg guys? I do believe they were *used*

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Tor Lillqvist wrote (28-04-11 14:50) And is/was that OOo-dev thing ever used by anyone except Hamburg? Oh yes. It was the primary opportunity for anyone to install snap-shots, dev builds, betas or however they were called, I meant, were such builds *produced* by anyone except the Hamburg

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Tor Lillqvist wrote (28-04-11 14:50) And is/was that OOo-dev thing ever used by anyone except Hamburg? Oh yes. It was the primary opportunity for anyone to install snap-shots, dev builds, betas or however they were called,

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 00:21 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Do we already have a simple text on the website/wiki, that explains the use of the developer list, and what expectations are? That might be linked to by devs when needed, thus preventing them to get bored or 'funny' or wasting time on

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Kohei Yoshida wrote (28-04-11 16:53) On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 00:21 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Do we already have a simple text on the website/wiki, that explains the use of the developer list, and what expectations are? That might be linked to by devs when needed, thus preventing them to get bored

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Cor, On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 17:05 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: I placed a first draft here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Cornouws Looking forward to comments, ideas, .. Its a great start; can you put it in a public place so it can be jointly edited ? One of my

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-28 Thread Michael Meeks
Reading this again I missed a few obvious pieces: * Listen before speaking + get to know the people you're interacting with on the lists before sending mail + in particular, attempting to explain things to people that

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Tor Lillqvist
You are well aware of the OOo-dev build process. Thanks for the mind-reading, but I think you need to try harder. For the record, I have never heard about that. --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Andras Timar
2011/4/26 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:05 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 04/26/2011 07:07 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 20:13 -0700, NoOp wrote: Just wanted to point out that both LO 3.4B1 LO3.4B2 .deb installs

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Christian Lohmaier wrote: There probably aren't any patches necessary, just try whether the openofficedev target works Thanks Christian, that's the ~sole bit of really useful info in this whole thread. FWIW, the relevant bug is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36437 Cheers, --

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Thorsten Behrens
NoOp wrote: The OP requested that beta versions be installed w/o affecting existing version. You are well aware of the OOo-dev build process. You are well aware of the issue, Yet you are asking posters to this thread to dig out the documentation, test that it still works? Amazing. Hi NoOp,

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Christian Lohmaier
HI Andras, *, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/26 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:05 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There probably aren't any patches necessary, just try whether the

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Allen Pulsifer
On Windows it wants to package jre which is not there. So: $ touch ../../solver/300/wntmsci12.pro/bin/jre-6u22-windows-i586.exe $ dmake openofficedev OK, so there's a bug. It should only attempt to include the JRE when you build openofficewithjre target - so apparently the Product name

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, Thorsten Behrens wrote (27-04-11 10:42) Thanks Christian, that's the ~sole bit of really useful info in this whole thread. FWIW, the relevant bug is Furthermore, with due respect, this thread shows me some other useful information. Namely that there is a limit to what developers may

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread Robert Vaccaro
Linking in the footer of the list is a good idea I think. Also, why not give a description (and list of expectations) of the developer list at the dev list signup page and at the mailing list description page? Seems like knowing the rules _before_ engaging would be useful.

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-27 Thread NoOp
On 04/26/2011 11:54 PM, Tor Lillqvist wrote: You are well aware of the OOo-dev build process. Thanks for the mind-reading, but I think you need to try harder. For the record, I have never heard about that. --tml I was replying to MM. But come on Tor; I've great respect for you and

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi NoOp, On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 20:13 -0700, NoOp wrote: Just wanted to point out that both LO 3.4B1 LO3.4B2 .deb installs failed on my systems (miserably yes, I'll go bug adding this weekend So - if you have a Linux system, and you're capable of installing packages; then most likely

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Allen Pulsifer
I would +100 this suggestion. AFAIK, under Windows, there is no easy way to do a side-by-side installation, and certainly no way within the reach of a typical user. Without the ability to do a side-by-side, many users are not going to test the Beta builds, and the quality of the release will

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread NoOp
On 04/26/2011 07:07 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi NoOp, On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 20:13 -0700, NoOp wrote: Just wanted to point out that both LO 3.4B1 LO3.4B2 .deb installs failed on my systems (miserably yes, I'll go bug adding this weekend So - if you have a Linux system, and you're

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Allen, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 11:30 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: I would +100 this suggestion. Brilliant - the way to +100 is to write a patch :-) and/or test the feature so we can be sure it will work. I would propose that all Beta and Dev releases So - we have one more

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi NoOp, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 10:05 -0700, NoOp wrote: So - please do try to fix the bug yourself, patches are most welcome. If you come with some solid research, and some concrete suggestions / a prototype patch you'll find some helpful feedback. Right...

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:05 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 04/26/2011 07:07 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 20:13 -0700, NoOp wrote: Just wanted to point out that both LO 3.4B1 LO3.4B2 .deb installs failed on my systems (miserably yes, I'll go bug adding this weekend

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:  trying to overwrite '/opt/libreoffice/basis3.4/share/config/soffice.cfg/simpress/transitions-ogl.xml', which is also in package libobasis3.4-impress 3.4.0-103 Don't bother with that one, it's already

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-26 Thread NoOp
On 04/26/2011 02:39 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi NoOp, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 10:05 -0700, NoOp wrote: So - please do try to fix the bug yourself, patches are most welcome. If you come with some solid research, and some concrete suggestions / a prototype patch you'll find some helpful

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-25 Thread Ed. Drinkwater
Ed: Would you please search for a bug report covering this topic - and if there is none, create one? I have raised issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36575, Allow parallel installation of Beta and stable releases And we need to add a warning to our homepage, that standard

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-22 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Can you please make sure that future developer builds are compiled to install in a separate folder and do not disturb previously installed stable versions. Anything is possible. It is just a small matter of programming. Maybe you could help? --tml

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-22 Thread Cor Nouws
PS: Ed: this is a list where developers discuss developer issues. It is not intended for people to bring up ideas/wishes .. You may do so, but (part of) the answer always is: can you help ;-) Cor Tor Lillqvist wrote (22-04-11 12:21) set when compiling the product. I'm not sure [...] why any

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-22 Thread Ed. Drinkwater
What is that supposed to mean? It certainly doesn't sound like a coherent, constructive contribution to the issue! What help do you need? I am not the one who compiles that packages, so I am not in a position to change settings that have to be changed while compiling. When the code for LO

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-22 Thread Tor Lillqvist
What is that supposed to mean? It certainly doesn't sound like a coherent, constructive contribution to the issue! That is because I am basically an incoherent dribbling idiot, la la la, na na splutgh xzbbpfft! Me wants more porridge! --tml ___

Re: [Libreoffice] Installing beta versions replacing stable versions

2011-04-22 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Tor Lillqvist schrieb: Ed Drinkwater wrote: What is that supposed to mean? It certainly doesn't sound like a coherent, constructive contribution to the issue! That is because I am basically an incoherent dribbling idiot, la la la, na na splutgh xzbbpfft! Me wants more porridge! Sometimes