Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I think some of the confusion could be avoided by running all mf files through expand(1). This is a good idea, and I will do so after Phil has done his work. I'm really bewildered that it is apparently so hard for many contributors to format and indent new code in the same manner as the

Re: Approximates cross-staff slurs in VerticalAxisGroup vertical-skylines. (issue 6498077)

2012-09-08 Thread Keith OHara
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 09:23:08 -0700, m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: On 7 sept. 2012, at 09:34, k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Having the invisible Grobs taking up space will confuse the innocent. I tried to add comments about this in the source - perhaps the CG needs an

release 2.16.1

2012-09-08 Thread Federico Bruni
Can you announce here the release of 2.16.1 at least a week before the actual release? So translators will have time to complete their works. I have a patch which will be ready next week and I hope it won't miss next stable release. Thanks -- Federico

Re: release 2.16.1

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: Can you announce here the release of 2.16.1 at least a week before the actual release? So translators will have time to complete their works. I have a patch which will be ready next week and I hope it won't miss next stable release. No danger. By

Re: Issue 2758. ly_module_lookup caused deprecation warnings with Guile V2.06. (issue 6458159)

2012-09-08 Thread dak
On 2012/09/06 23:24:04, Ian Hulin (gmail) wrote: On 2012/09/06 18:07:53, dak wrote: When we go Guilev2, we don't want to search for all the backward compatibility. So I'd say you use something like #if GUILEV1 for splicing in the compatibility stuff, and define it as either 0 or 1 in

Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Folks, due to the discussion about funny accidental placements in music written for strings with scordatura, I had a closer look at the Rosary Sonatas from Biber. As a result, I'm playing the 14th sonata with my daughter in a concert[1], among other pieces :-) In case you like baroque music

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 08/09/12 10:17, Werner LEMBERG wrote: due to the discussion about funny accidental placements in music written for strings with scordatura, I had a closer look at the Rosary Sonatas from Biber. As a result, I'm playing the 14th sonata with my daughter in a concert[1], among other pieces :-)

Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread PhilEHolmes
A quick note to Werner. 1) apologies for being rather brusque, but I'd pretty much killed my self getting this sorted - the original code had some very odd calculation methods in it, and it's the first time I'd ever touched metafont. Your follow up is helpful - please ignore my recent comment

Development releases

2012-09-08 Thread Phil Holmes
It was my plan to try to do a development release about every 2 weeks - running on a Sunday. This Sunday would have been the first. However, my large screen monitor has just died and I've nicked the one from my wife's computer, and as a result I'm on a very much smaller desktop that I'm used

Solving Issue 185 RhythmicStaff squishing chords should produce single notes

2012-09-08 Thread Johannes Rohrer
This is a follow-up on a discussion from the issue tracker comments at http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=185, where I suggested a kludgy fix for a favorite LilyPond pet peeve of mine. I am interested in making it less kludgy. As I am new to the LilyPond codebase, please bear

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: There's one thing worth clarifying: when i say syntax changes, i mean changes in how user input looks like. So a renaming of a command is a syntax change to me (despite the fact that no grammar rules change). That's probably

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Actually, it's been in the back of my head for a while that those pieces could be a great demo for Lilypond, particularly in respect of being able to generate both written and sounding-pitched parts for violin from the same material without any stupid tricks. Indeed, typesetting the first few

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: There's one thing worth clarifying: when i say syntax changes, i mean changes in how user input looks like. So a renaming of a command is a syntax change to me (despite the fact that

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Actually, it's been in the back of my head for a while that those pieces could be a great demo for Lilypond, particularly in respect of being able to generate both written and sounding-pitched parts for violin from the same material without any stupid

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss (was: modern-straight-flag)

2012-09-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: Has anyone ever actually engaged with any major publishers to identify the factors that are of interest to them in engraving software, and the features that Lilypond would have to implement in order to

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: There's one thing worth clarifying: when i say syntax changes, i mean changes in how user input looks like. So a

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: There's one thing worth clarifying: when i say syntax changes, i mean

Re: Uses horizontal skylines in accidental placement (issue 6489086)

2012-09-08 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 8 sept. 2012, at 08:46, k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: On 2012/09/08 05:28:02, Keith wrote: now I measure it 2% /faster/ than master. Of course that makes no sense. I got confused of which executable I had when switching between patches. This patch is still about 6% slower than master,

Re: Approximates cross-staff slurs in VerticalAxisGroup vertical-skylines. (issue 6498077)

2012-09-08 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 8 sept. 2012, at 09:06, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 09:23:08 -0700, m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: On 7 sept. 2012, at 09:34, k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Having the invisible Grobs taking up space will confuse the innocent. I tried

Re: new mailing list: lilypond-syntax-explorations

2012-09-08 Thread Ian Hulin
On 07/09/12 01:14, Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 08:15:27PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote: For the past 6 days, we've performed an experiment: can we have a On Thursday, I will create a new mailing list, with the tentative name lilypond-syntax-explorations. Alternate name

Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2012-09-08 08:11, Werner LEMBERG wrote: 1. reject any offers of help from contributors who do not follow the existing formatting. 2. educate each contributor individually, go through multiple rounds of each patch to adjust the formatting, etc. 3. use an automatic formatting tool.

[GLISS] Music functions using keyword parameters?

2012-09-08 Thread Ian Hulin
This is just a toe-in-the-water enquiry. Given the work David put in to allow optional music function parameters in the 2.16 release, how much work would it be able to do something like \afterGrace :#note d1 :#grace { c16[ d]} :#fraction 15/16 or \afterGrace :#fraction 15/16 :#note d1 :#grace {

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Indeed, typesetting the first few bars of one of the Biber sonatas, together with correct MIDI output, would yield a very nice example. Three staffs: true pitch, scordatura, tablature. Entry would be presumably in true pitch plus string number (where not in lowest terms). Why tablature? A

Re: Issue 2758. ly_module_lookup caused deprecation warnings with Guile V2.06. (issue 6458159)

2012-09-08 Thread ianhulin44
On 2012/09/08 09:13:17, dak wrote: On 2012/09/06 23:24:04, Ian Hulin (gmail) wrote: On 2012/09/06 18:07:53, dak wrote: When we go Guilev2, we don't want to search for all the backward compatibility. So I'd say you use something like #if GUILEV1 for splicing in the compatibility

Re: [GLISS] Music functions using keyword parameters?

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk writes: This is just a toe-in-the-water enquiry. Given the work David put in to allow optional music function parameters in the 2.16 release, how much work would it be able to do something like \afterGrace :#note d1 :#grace { c16[ d]} :#fraction 15/16 or

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: No idea. What we have under the umbrella of syntax discussion contains three things: lexical units, grammar and vocabulary, mostly implemented in lexer.ll, parser.yy, and *.ly respectively. In order to keep syntax

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Indeed, typesetting the first few bars of one of the Biber sonatas, together with correct MIDI output, would yield a very nice example. Three staffs: true pitch, scordatura, tablature. Entry would be presumably in true pitch plus string number (where not

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: No idea. What we have under the umbrella of syntax discussion contains three things: lexical units, grammar and vocabulary, mostly implemented in lexer.ll, parser.yy, and *.ly

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Keith OHara
David Kastrup dak at gnu.org writes: Werner LEMBERG wl at gnu.org writes: Actually, it's been in the back of my head for a while that those pieces could be a great demo for Lilypond, particularly in respect of being able to generate both written and sounding-pitched parts for violin

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread k-ohara5a5a
http://codereview.appspot.com/6488097/diff/3001/scm/bar-line.scm File scm/bar-line.scm (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6488097/diff/3001/scm/bar-line.scm#newcode178 scm/bar-line.scm:178: ;; the default distance between centre of dots is composed of Have you considered working entirely in

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread dak
On 2012/09/08 18:54:07, Keith wrote: http://codereview.appspot.com/6488097/diff/3001/scm/bar-line.scm File scm/bar-line.scm (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6488097/diff/3001/scm/bar-line.scm#newcode178 scm/bar-line.scm:178: ;; the default distance between centre of dots is composed

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread Benkő Pál
ok, thinking about a new patch. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I fully agree. Since we have no support for (3) yet, I will do a bit of (2), and I really hope that Phil can bear with me :-) Is it really such a big deal if the code formatting is not perfectly consistent in every little detail? In particular, I would favor option 5. (relax 2 a bit)

Re: Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber

2012-09-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
It's a violin part using a G-clef, together with a basso continuo staff. Oops, please ignore the attached image. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Doc: Typos to LM - Fundamental and tweaks.itely (issue 6497103)

2012-09-08 Thread tdanielsmusic
http://codereview.appspot.com/6497103/diff/1/Documentation/learning/fundamental.itely File Documentation/learning/fundamental.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6497103/diff/1/Documentation/learning/fundamental.itely#newcode2921 Documentation/learning/fundamental.itely:2921: f16 ees f

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread Keith OHara
I guess you are thinking we bring the dots inside the staff if there is at least one staff-postion of space for each dot (as in 2-line percussion staves) and continue to move them closer to the center if we find locations with at least two-staff-positions of space for each dot, or more space

Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread lemzwerg
I was aware of a slight difference, although actually I'm not certain it's that important - these are machine drawn glyphs intending to replicate hand-drawn clefs from the 15th century. How important is 0.1 staff space? This is not the point. Your are changing the shape without documenting

Re: Fixes position of mensural c clef (issue 6503091)

2012-09-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: lemzw...@googlemail.com To: philehol...@googlemail.com; w...@gnu.org; gra...@percival-music.ca; m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org; re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Fixes position of

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread benko . pal
sorry, I'm confused. do we want to support - NR 2.5.1 style 2-line percussion staves (setting both line-count and staff-space to 2 instead of setting just line-positions to (-2 2))? - default TabStaff's (even line-count, 1.5 staff-space)? if we want to support both of those without changing dot

Re: change defaults for dot spacing in repeat sign to accommodate tab staves (issue 6488097)

2012-09-08 Thread Keith OHara
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:26:21 -0700, benko@gmail.com wrote: do we want to support - NR 2.5.1 style 2-line percussion staves (setting both line-count and staff-space to 2 instead of setting just line-positions to (-2 2))? - default TabStaff's (even line-count, 1.5 staff-space)? if we want to