On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 02:26:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Turns out I don't seem to have push privileges:
What's your github username?
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 03:25:56PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
What's your github username?
I don't think I have an account at github.
You may wish to consider making one, given how many lilypond
sub-projects are there:
https://github.com
use them for anything other than git. But the
beauty of distributed version control is that you can drop a
server the instant anything fishy happens. I basically use them
as a cheap way of synchronizing between machines.
Anyway, no big deal either way.
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]: *** [dist-check] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/main/src/gub'
make: *** [lilypond] Error 2
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or two notches smaller. (interpret notch as
whatever makes sense for web fonts)
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On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 10:35:02AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il 25/04/2012 12:04, Graham Percival ha scritto:
[..]
I'm trying to learn Python and I'd like to contribute to some frog
tasks requiring python (I've starred some frog issues in the tracker).
Probably this is too much
regressions are defined as output which is
unintentionally worse. It is possible that there were some
deliberate changes to the midi backend (in which case they should
be noted in the Changes document). But until we see a specific
tiny example, we can't comment further.
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What about defining a
null
or
n
note name? Then we could write
c4 n\footnote
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I suppose that you're objecting because I wrote or in there, and
you would rather that I replace that or with sometimes
erroneously referred to as ?
but you should review the rest of the website to see if there's
any other terminology issues.
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the file, or -f to force removal)
What's the recommended method?
Use -f to force removal? Yes, that's recommended.
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. This
will mean a bit of extra administrative work to match unavoidable
GNU policies.
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deviate from this checklist.
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should try to keep as close to the original meaning as possible...
and in google's case, they definitely mean open source instead
of free software.
So I guess those shouldn't be changed, and if that's it in the
French translation then I guess you're fine.
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On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 09:36:38PM +0200, Francisco Vila wrote:
2012/5/6 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca:
So I guess those shouldn't be changed, and if that's it in the
French translation then I guess you're fine.
We have in English
http://lilypond.org/freedom.html
“Gift
becoming part of our basic vocabulary. I still
think that a n or z or \null would be more clear if there's
a solid reason to have such a musical event in a
non-computer-modified score.
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it would be good not to encourage the method.
Should we also disallow using { } and instead of \sequential and
\simultaneous (which have been available since LilyPond 1.1 but do not
see much use)?
Now you're just being ridiculous.
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On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 11:04:50AM +0100, Ian Hulin wrote:
Hi all,
Point of information:
On 07/05/12 10:29, Graham Percival wrote:
A number of people think that is the ideal tool for a
non-duration post-event. James and I disagree; we think that a
different tool (such as a new
of automatically loading a few random
snippets on lilypond.org using some javascript hack. (in theory,
at least -- there are technical issues to consider)
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, my motivation to do *anything* for lilypond is
approaching an all-time low. Good thing I'm going on vacation
tomorrow.
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starting it.
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, and we have more than a dozen people who will be
interested in GOP and GLISS questions.
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not aware of any viable alternative that
is sufficiently inclusive for our developer community.
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/contributors), then once
that's a regular occurance try to expand it? Of course it would
be nice if it could immediately start off with everybody involved,
but the previous experience doesn't fill me with optimism.
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was already installed, but re-running configure revealed
that dblatex was missing (for some reason aptitude build-dep
lilypond didn't include that).
huh, thanks for the report.
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2529
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I think this qualifies for a news item - after all, it's *LilyPond*
who won. Graham?
sure.
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On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:28:47PM +0200, Benkő Pál wrote:
dear team and Project Manager,
I'd like to get commit access.
Make an account at savannah, and send a request via the savannah
project page. I'll act on it within 48 hours (wifi connection at
this hotel isn't the greatest).
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that the
decision is obvious.
I think last year's GOP communications guidelines were sufficient.
Hmm? I recall only one decison: Potentially sensitive or private
matters will be referred to Graham. (GOP 6) It's only partially
applicable to the problems we sometimes have in our discussions (in my
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:38:54AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
Here you go. :-) Let me know if it needs tweaking or might be
better in another section of the guide.
Please see the summary for experienced developers in the CG.
- Graham
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:51:45AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote:
LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line compiler. So this
question can be split into two separate ones:
- what capabilities should alternate programs (i.e. frescobaldi
have a good config file).
James: could you disable your cronjob, then let John set up a
cronjob or run it manually for a few days?
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you change something, it only recompiles that system (with
the bar numbers for the beginning and ending of each system being
cached). That alone would be a huge time-saving.
*shrug*
as I've said, the source is available. Interested developers are
welcome to talk to us.
- Graham
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:52:32AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
On 14/05/12 07:37, Graham Percival wrote:
No. LilyPond is a command-line compiler. That's something that
would happen in an alternate program.
I'm not disputing that, or suggesting that you go into GUI/IDE
territory
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 02:25:29PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote:
Hi Graham,
Il giorno dom, 13/05/2012 alle 19.24 +0200, Graham Percival ha scritto:
Agreed. I think the most we'd use it for would be LSR. I don't
think we should give ssh logins to developers for testing patches;
that should
, I'm totally down with
that. I know that you know more python than me, so feel free to
push directly. Depending on the files you rename, the CG might
need updating; see
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/summary-for-experienced-developers
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then.
This is not a pleasant policy, but I'm trying to save you guys
(there have been other new contributors as well) a lot of
heartache. It would be easy for me to write a feel-good email
that encouraged you to keep on trying, but that would be dishonest
since I know how hard it will be.
- Graham
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 04:56:14PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote:
Il giorno lun, 14/05/2012 alle 15.46 +0200, Graham Percival ha scritto:
Either is fine with me. A sensible default value could be
patchy %s % (os.hostname())
assuming there's a command like that in os.
On second thought
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:51:30PM +0200, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote:
On 15 May 2012 16:35, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
IIRC the git-cl on my github account adds a URL which allows us to
search for lilypond patches (which would further reduce the chance
of lost patches
meaning four b notes played staccato?
I'm fine with this being part of the first phase.
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. Regression?
Report bugs to the bugs mailing list, not the user or devel lists.
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-*.py
(possibly the wrong name)
to point to the new location, then try make bootstrap again.
If it works, then we could apply that patch to the main repo.
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, but there's no harm in trying out those
instructions in the meantime.
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wifi on trains?! Austria rocks!
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not accept patches outside of the process
discussed here:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/summary-for-experienced-developers
Hopefully somebody will offer to shepherd your patch through the
process.
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to discuss. Many
lilypond policies are designed with that guideline.
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in that git branch.
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to remember about it. On June 5 I will check
the open issues and waiting-to-verify issues.
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be preparing+collecting background information so that we can have
a more effective discussion on the general devel list.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 06:37:48PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote:
Le 29/05/2012 23:11, Graham Percival disait :
Friendly reminder -- since there are no Type-Critical issues
either open or in the issues to verify, 2.15.39 is aimed to
become 2.16.0 in one week.
Do you plan to build
be nice if there were as many
people as possible, so maybe this could happen during August?
I don't know the exact dates that people were thinking, but if
it's going to happen then we should start seriously planning it
soon so that people can look into plane and train tickets.
- Graham
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 12:56:33PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
In the hope that it might help others, see attached diary of my
work building a Lilypond release with GUB, making a trivial
edit, pushing the changes to github, and submitting a pull
request to Graham.
Wow! I only gave it a quick
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 12:56:33PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
In the hope that it might help others, see attached diary of my work building
a Lilypond release with GUB, making a trivial edit, pushing the changes to
github, and submitting a pull request to Graham.
Ok, some more detailed
.
Are we still in touch with the original authors of this build system?
Yes and no. Most of the work was done by Jan, who is still around
occasionally, but I don't think he's a regular reader of -devel
any more.
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it would only create confusion to advertize
an unofficial release.
Mind waiting a week, then having an unofficial release of 2.17.0
or .1 ? or if there's any type-Critical issue with the current
release candidate, then the clock resets so we may as well have an
unofficial release.
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was in the
lilypond-upload make rules, not the general lilypond ones. I'm
pretty certain that I've built releases a few times without
uploading anything.
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{}.
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, but
then again I wouldn't be at all surprised.
That said,
http://lilypond.org/test/v2.15.39-1/
only lists the results for .38, so apparently I wasn't sloppy
about the last release.
So I'm also in the dark about this one. But if the images look
the same, then I wouldn't worry about it.
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On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:55:20PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:44:53PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:30:18PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
I've just created fresh binaries with GUB. Previously [1] you suggested
uploading these to create
-desktop:~/src/gub (master)$ ls regtests/
ignore lilypond-2.15.39-1.test-output.tar.bz2
gperciva@gperciva-desktop:~/src/gub (master)$
(when I built the 2.15.39 release, I had .38-1 in that dir and not
.39-1)
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for a
residential ISP, but you may want to double-check.
If anybody else wants to chime in and offer hosting, of course
that would be quite appreciated.
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concern about polluting web indices with
invalid links, then he could rename them to be
lilypond-2.15.40-unofficial-colin-1.linux-x86.sh
but I think that's getting a bit over the top.
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On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:33:24PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca
To: Lilypond Dev lilypond-devel@gnu.org
If anybody else wants to chime in and offer hosting, of course
that would be quite appreciated.
I'm personally
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:14:37PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:24:20PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Graham Percival writes:
Alternately, you may want to take a look at improving GUB
yourself, especially since that's how this started. :)
+1
Do you
to have worked. :(
I'll try a GUB build late tonight, but I really don't get with the
po/ stuff is doing so I'm not optimistic.
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(with ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04 or 11.10?)
with a claim that they require 32-bit libraries.
that sounds good! well, not good, but I dont remember hearing
that before. i think that's excellent debug info to get.
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match to
the simultaneous sections.
I would say comma if the but is included, semicolon if the but is
excluded.
Exactly. I have no clue why (I never learned grammar), but either
of those options are how I'd expect to read it. Or maybe change
it to , but any attempts.
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'
make[1]: *** [dist-check] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/main/src/gub'
make: *** [lilypond] Error 2
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Ah yes, thank you, I will fix it in staging. Right?
Yes. I'll try another GUB build tonight.
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darwin)
I'll continue with this later but pointers are welcome.
No other pointers here, but I want to thank you again for your
documented in-depth investigation of this issue.
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the word experiment with something a bit
less encouraging, or add an extra warning not to use release
candidates for production work?
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On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 07:55:30PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
I've been fairly clear: every release says either
It is strongly recommended that normal users do not use this
release, and instead use
at the lilypond application
before rejecting it. If I were doing it, I'd probably make my
first pass rejections within 2 minutes for each application.
*shrug*
it's a lottery, not a competition. If you can't stand the heat...
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Who thinks they should have git push ability? I usually tell
people not to ask unless prompted, so now I'm prompting.
General rule of thumb is that you should have a bunch of patches
accepted, and generally be a trustworthy character. Or something
like that.
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future debates about
policy changes.
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days
anyway, so there's nothing much to be gained from public
responses.
Colin Hall: please include their responses in the anonymized list.
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the symlink (or
rsync) is trying to do in the first place, so I really can't give
any good recommendations about the next step.
Sorry,
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?
Please don't top-post. As noted in the email, there is better
formatting in the online version:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_2.html
Copypaste in firefox produced the previous version. Perhaps a
copypaste in chrome or safari or internet explorer would produce
a nicer version. Perhaps running
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:22:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those
unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary:
make a diff between releases 11.2let’s not bother; interested
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:59:01PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
Hmm, I may have misunderstood your comment. If my response about
tags doesn't actually answer your concern, please elaborate.
A source tarball is not the same as a snapshot
to the recommendation of providing
diffs as well. So I'm going to cross this off from the list of
things to worry about.
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that they exist.
Thanks, that seems reasonable.
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09:14AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote:
I have posted all the responses to the survey.
Thanks so much for your help, Colin! I suggest that we spend a
few days to think about the responses and how we view the project,
then start discussing them on Monday.
- Graham
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not be hitting the freezes for the fall releases of the
distributions.
if by the end of summer you mean today?
201-06-27 GOP2-2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change)
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/
ok, admittedly I typo'd the 2012 part of it, and remember that the
policy question is -1 day
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:31:45PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca
To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net
Cc: Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: LSR updates and translations
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:01:20AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Graham Percival writes:
201-06-27 GOP2-2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change)
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/
[empty document]
That's a pretty radical change, already ;-)
My parents were visiting
, then
at least we'd be able to make some intelligent guesses about
what's involved there.
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have reverted it. And if there's no clear
offer to fix it before tomorrow, I'll revert it anyway.
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:30:12AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
Assuming that this is a 10-minute job, put stuff in the
stable/2.14 git branch, just in case somebody grabs the source
from git tarball.
It's more than 10 minutes since I
the correct lsrtags and writes the resulting output to
$LILYPOND_GIT/Documentation/snippets.
I'm happier with 2), this is what makelsr.py already does among other
things.
+1
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in which the
snippet is found in the tarball.
why? if we ever add a new tag, some of the numbers will be
changed for no reason. Why not keep the named tags in those .ly
files?
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:21:43PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
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To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net
Cc: Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:39:19PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
lsrtags = dir-1, dir-2
*** HTML-formatted version:
lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_1.html
*** Summary
We’re not in terrible shape, but we’re not in good shape either.
*** Details
Survey sent:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2012-06/msg00192.html
There were 11 responses:
devA
devB
devC
devD
, such as every Wed at 10:00 UST and Thurs at
23:00 UST. (picking dates/times randomly)
I'm not suggesting video, since even my university internet
connection doesn't handle video chats well, but voice could work
out.
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 07:19:28PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote:
Le 26/06/2012 09:24, Graham Percival disait :
Well, we had at least a week when the only release-critical bug
was the po-replace translation thing. It's a bit silly that we
couldn't have a release due to a 5-line texinfo
to
Dortmund seems to involve three flights over 2000 euro, whereas
flying to Dusseldorf is 250 euro. It's probably safe to assume
that Germany has good railways for Dusseldorf to Dortmund? (or
maybe Essen or Cologne?)
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Not quite up to the ideal standard of GOP proposals, but there's a
lot of interest and this should be enough to see what way the wind
is blowing.
html-formatted version:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_3.html
*** Summary
Let’s drop the “any unintended change” thing, and go totally
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 05:33:47AM +, Keith OHara wrote:
Graham Percival graham at percival-music.ca writes:
-any regression test which fails to compile or shows incorrect
output.
For any changed test then, it is probably worth reading the header, to
see if a subtle change
. :)
If there's a large kitchen with shared meals, then I will cover
all non-alcohol grocery bills.
- Graham
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