Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Dear McLaren, Using LilyPond is by no means mandatory : if you don’t like it or find it ill-designed and you don’t find what you need on the market, do start another open source project, or a commercial one, to do things in the way that you feel is the right one to fulfill your needs. We’ll

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi Andrew, the most efficient way for you would be to set up a filter in gmail. Since every communication seems to involve the OP's email address, you should be able to set gmail to filter out based on that. Go to the top message of this thread. Click the "More" dropdown and select "filter

RE: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Dear listers, Would somebody be able to help me with advice and guidance on how to filter out any correspondence from and about this person? I am unable to achieve this. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Urs Liska writes: > Am 22.11.2016 um 08:26 schrieb mclaren: >> If that's really the philosophy behind >> Lilypond, this forum should shut down right now and post the following >> message: >> >> IF YOU ENCOUNTER ANY PROBLEM OR CRASH OR PROGRAM HANG WITH LILYPOND, FIX IT >>

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

mclaren writes: > David Kastrup went on to aver: "LilyPond needs to know whether two events > line up in time (only then are they aligned or have a common stem, and only > the first such event gets an accidental and so on). Once arithmetic does no > longer guarantee >

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Am 22.11.2016 um 08:26 schrieb mclaren: > If that's really the philosophy behind > Lilypond, this forum should shut down right now and post the following > message: > > IF YOU ENCOUNTER ANY PROBLEM OR CRASH OR PROGRAM HANG WITH LILYPOND, FIX IT > YOURSELF. DON'T BEAT YOUR CHEST COMPLAINING,

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

problem with Lilypond, they should just rewrite the code themselves and shut up about it. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Solution-to-7-over-sqr-71-time-against-integer-polyrhythms-tp196671p196983.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Carl Sorensen writes: > On 11/18/16 8:11 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >>Carl Sorensen writes: >> >>> On 11/18/16 2:46 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >>> GMP is already linked into Guile exactly for that purpose. It

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 11/18/16 8:11 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >Carl Sorensen writes: > >> On 11/18/16 2:46 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>GMP is already linked into Guile exactly for that purpose. It would not >>>really make a lot of sense to use it

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Carl Sorensen writes: > On 11/18/16 2:46 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >> >> >>GMP is already linked into Guile exactly for that purpose. It would not >>really make a lot of sense to use it independently. > > You are certainly more qualified than me to comment

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 11/18/16 2:46 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > > >GMP is already linked into Guile exactly for that purpose. It would not >really make a lot of sense to use it independently. You are certainly more qualified than me to comment on this. However, it appeared to me that using the

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >>> Here’s the point where I instantly feel compelled to say “ok, now >>> let’s really ban him from the list”. You are calling Kieren, honorable >>> member of the community and one of the most proficient LilyPond users >>>

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Colin Campbell writes: > On 2016-11-17 03:47 PM, Simon Albrecht wrote: >> >> Here’s the point where I instantly feel compelled to say “ok, now >> let’s really ban him from the list”. You are calling Kieren, >> honorable member of the community and one of the most proficient >>

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Carl Sorensen writes: > On 11/17/16 7:21 PM, "mclaren" wrote: >> >>The deceptive Lilypond code shown above that prints those fake tuplets is >>truly contemptible because it doesn't address the real issue. The real >>issue is that Lilypond doesn't

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > To the Unknown Critic, > > Lilypond amazes me in many different and varied ways. I shall focus on only > one. > It was written for FREE. > It is developed for FREE. > It is provided for FREE. > It is supported for FREE. > It is documented for

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi Carl! There is a GNU library for arbitrary precision rationals. It may be possible to replace the LilyPond Rational type with an arbitrary precision rational type. Then the ability to go to big nested tuplets would be limited by the amount memory (perhaps the amount on the heap or the

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Am 18. November 2016 03:21:14 MEZ, schrieb mclaren : >It's easy to show that Kieren is being deceptive with his example. I have another suggestion for you. You started this thread with a score and complained that LilyPond cannot insert barlines and breaks into it. I

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 2016-11-17 03:47 PM, Simon Albrecht wrote: Here’s the point where I instantly feel compelled to say “ok, now let’s really ban him from the list”. You are calling Kieren, honorable member of the community and one of the most proficient LilyPond users there are, an outright liar. That’s

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 11/17/16 7:21 PM, "mclaren" wrote: >This kind of trolling by Kieren (and others) is not useful. Yes, you can >bend and twist Lilypond into printing out tuplet numbers that bear no >relation to the actual tuplets generated by Lilypond...but that's not what >was asked

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 11/17/16 7:21 PM, "mclaren" wrote: > >The deceptive Lilypond code shown above that prints those fake tuplets is >truly contemptible because it doesn't address the real issue. The real >issue is that Lilypond doesn't allow nested tuplets beyond very small >values >of

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hey “mclaren”, > that's not what was asked for In fact, the example I provided does *exactly* what you asked for: > you should no trouble entering the following photoshopped score fragment into > lilypond and compiling the score and getting a pnd or svg file out p.s. How does it feel to be so

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 11/17/16 7:21 PM, "mclaren" wrote: > >The deceptive Lilypond code shown above that prints those fake tuplets is >truly contemptible because it doesn't address the real issue. The real >issue is that Lilypond doesn't allow nested tuplets beyond very small >values >of

RE: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

ubject: Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms It's easy to show that Kieren is being deceptive with his example. Here's how he did it: Kieren used a Lilypond function to suppress printing of the actual tuplet number, then used another Lilypond function to substitute a t

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

spoke out. And we wonder why America is doing nothing to stop global warming... -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Solution-to-7-over-sqr-71-time-against-integer-polyrhythms-tp196671p196805.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.co

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi David, >> Here’s the point where I instantly feel compelled to say “ok, now >> let’s really ban him from the list”. You are calling Kieren, honorable >> member of the community and one of the most proficient LilyPond users >> there are, an outright liar. [Simon: Thank you for your kind and

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi Simon, Consider that this nuisance refuses to answer polite requests to say his name, and will not sign posts. One cannot assume his name is his email address. This luser hiding behind anonymity, come here with the express purpose of disrupting the community needs to leave. Generally lusers

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Simon Albrecht writes: > On 17.11.2016 05:09, mclaren wrote: >> "You do realize, don't you, that if you had just asked for help creating >> that music, Kieren would have helped you and taught you some of his coding >> skills (and he IS really good, BTW). " >> >> Not

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On 17.11.2016 05:09, mclaren wrote: "You do realize, don't you, that if you had just asked for help creating that music, Kieren would have helped you and taught you some of his coding skills (and he IS really good, BTW). " Not likely. What I realize is that Kieren is good with photoshop.

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi David, > It's worth noting that something like this may work in a minimal example > and fail when it occurs 20 measures into the score Of course. I was simply responding to mclaren’s snide email, with all of its false claims and laughably-easy challenges (both explicit and implicit): > What

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

mclaren writes: > It's pretty clear from the nature of the bugs that there was some internal > rational integer calculation limit in lilypond. What's baffling is the way > it's dealt with internally in lilypond. The procedure seems to be to do > everything in 32 bit

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Kieren MacMillan writes: > On Nov 16, 2016, at 11:09 PM, mclaren wrote: > >> "You do realize, don't you, that if you had just asked for help creating >> that music, Kieren would have helped you and taught you some of his coding >> skills

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

> We'll wait while you whip that right out and show that png file to us. > Remember, it is a poor carpenter who blames his tools. So you finally admit it: you are a poor carpenter pgpORFobQUwMQ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On Nov 16, 2016, at 11:09 PM, mclaren wrote: > "You do realize, don't you, that if you had just asked for help creating > that music, Kieren would have helped you and taught you some of his coding > skills (and he IS really good, BTW). " > > Not likely. What I realize

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

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Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

TL;DR On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:52 PM, mclaren wrote: > It's pretty clear Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

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Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

mclaren, On 11/16/16 8:25 PM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > > >Here¹s what I got out of Lilypond (no external applications of any sort) >in about four minutes of coding: > > >I could have tweaked the stem lengths to exactly match your sample, >flattened the tuplet brackets,

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi mclaren, > Great. Glad to hear it. Since you're a master virtuoso with lilypond, you > should no trouble entering the following photoshopped score fragment into > lilypond and compiling the score and getting a pnd or svg file out: […] > We'll wait while you whip that right out and show that

RE: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

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Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Hi David, > Stop right here. We don't expect people to be born with such skills I didn’t say I expected him to be born with the skill, did I? > so the question rather is whether the possibilities are reasonable > discoverable in the manual. And they are, at least to the point of the statement

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > "Doesn't work with my score" is something completely different than "Lilypond > seems designed to prevent engraving barlines whenever they aren't required by > the score. This is bad program design” #BOOM Not sure mclaren

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

On Nov 16, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > Actually I'm enjoying this. It's only that all this popcorn isn't > exactly contributing to health ;-) LOL +1 Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email:

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Urs Liska writes: > Am 16.11.2016 um 11:37 schrieb David Kastrup: >> And it's not like LilyPond takes it ill when being made fun of. So >> don't let yourself get infected with ill will. > > Actually I'm enjoying this. You have spent too much time in Switzerland. --

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Am 16.11.2016 um 11:37 schrieb David Kastrup: > And it's not like LilyPond takes it ill when being made fun of. So > don't let yourself get infected with ill will. Actually I'm enjoying this. It's only that all this popcorn isn't exactly contributing to health ;-)

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Urs Liska writes: >> But the long and the short of it is that LilyPond does have >> limitations in that area. That they are irrelevant to the vast >> majority of use cases people have for typesetting music does not mean >> that there is a point in discussing them away:

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Am 16.11.2016 um 10:48 schrieb David Kastrup: > "we have seen only one case where LilyPond actually shows a limitation" > is disingenuous: this is a clear and well-known architectural limit of > the current code base's operation and it is by far not trivial to > overcome. What I was referring

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Urs Liska writes: > And it's totally clear that you're messing with things you're not up > to. That's what every LilyPond user is going to start with, and given the scope of the project, I doubt that there is anybody who could claim himself to be free of that even when

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Am 16.11.2016 um 07:29 schrieb mclaren: > Nice try, but so obvious I already tried it long ago -- remove the timing > translator and default barline engraver from the Score portion of the layout > and insert it in the Staff portion. Nope. Doesn't work with my score. "Doesn't work with my

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Kieren MacMillan writes: > mclaren, > >> Inserting \bar "|" in one staff draws lines through all the other staffs. >> There is no way to prevent this. It's a classic example of bad program >> design, and we all just have to live with it. > > > I have used Lilypond

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

> Nice try, but so obvious I already tried it long ago -- remove the > timing translator and default barline engraver from the Score > portion of the layout and insert it in the Staff portion. Nope. > Doesn't work with my score. As usual, please show us a minimum working example that exhibits

RE: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

point out these bugs. And I'll spend all my time and energy finding workarounds for these bugs in Lilypond. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Solution-to-7-over-sqr-71-time-against-integer-polyrhythms-tp196671p196682.html Sent from the User mailing list

RE: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

lt;metachroma...@gmail.com> Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms mclaren, > Inserting \bar "|" in one staff draws lines through all the other staffs. > There is no way to preve

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

mclaren, > Inserting \bar "|" in one staff draws lines through all the other staffs. > There is no way to prevent this. It's a classic example of bad program > design, and we all just have to live with it. I have used Lilypond to engrave many of my scores where various staves have

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

mclaren, On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:04 PM, mclaren wrote: > My statement that Lilypond does not allow barlines to be inserted wherever > you want on individual staves without drawing barlines through all the other > staves is factually accurate. Hmmm… I guess you and I have

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

this. It's a classic example of bad program design, and we all just have to live with it. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Solution-to-7-over-sqr-71-time-against-integer-polyrhythms-tp196671p196678.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at

Re: Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

Dear “mclaren”, On Nov 15, 2016, at 7:50 PM, mclaren wrote: > The barline is the one symbol you CANNOT insert anywhere you want, > even though it's just a vertical line. You can even insert Unicode > characters wherever you wish...but NOT a barline. Inexplicable. I

Solution to 7 over sqr(71) time against integer polyrhythms

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