On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 00:08, John Summerfield wrote:
Convert your favorite CICS app to the Windows world, connect 25000
concurrent user sessions and watch the clock - then come back and tell
us how long the Intel box(ES) stayed alive under that realistic load. It
boils down to this,
Has anyone experience with the
z/VM Linux Guest Cloning Tool Levanta ?
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I just IPL'ed the S/390 Sunday 2/9/03 it was up since we installed our new
MP3000 1/9/02 that's January 9, 2002. I IPLed to install
Z/VM 4.3.0 (Scheduled Change)
-Original Message-
From: Ken Dreger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:45 PM
To: [EMAIL
I used to work on a 360/20 starting around 1971. We had the basic model - 4K of
memory, no disk, no console. Just a MFCM reader/punch and a 300 LPM printer. There
were several utility programs on card decks - sort, gang punch repro, and a report
generator, plus the RPG compiler. I
I have found Levanta to be an extremely beneficial product that is
sophisticated yet easy to use. The component they refer to as the union
file system provides the ability to achieve both DASD sharing and instance
independence. We spent a couple of weeks learning the product and planning
our
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 22:47, John Summerfield wrote:
My point is you should not confuse the reliability of the software with the
reliability of the hardware. PC crashes are rarely caused by hardware.
With my OS vendor hat on I would disagree. Significant numbers of problems
reported to Red Hat
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 00:36, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Replace your faulty hardware. It's cheap.
Or spend a bit more, and get a case without those cooling problems.
For desktop PC's especially in the Linux world where X and the like mean
the cpu crunching is done on another box I'm meeting more and
I think that we, and IBM, have taken to resting on our laurels, and we
all
refuse to notice that these cheap, unreliable toys are catching up to
the
curve. Most of our excuses work today still, but in another year or
two, I'm
not so sure. And I'm finding it hard right now to stand in front of
Basically there are a bunch of things that make up TCO. In a mainframe
solution the hardware makes up more of the costs, people, network
infrastructure, etc make up less. In a PC server solution it is reversed.
TCO is a very hard thing to define. I think the mainframe has the deck
stacked
I am not sure about the P4, but earlier chip did not pass the ECC bits through the
processor bus, so you could not detect data errors between the processor and memory.
This prevents one from getting Mainframe reliability with an Intel processor.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Courtney
Intel is in a unique position to do research into speeding up processors, since they
have a large revenue stream from a single product. Also they got the engineering team
from DEC, which seems to have a talent for creating fast processors like the Alpha.
It isn't just the Mainframe which has
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:19:12 -0500, Adam Thornton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:36:21AM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Replace your faulty hardware. It's cheap.
Or spend a bit more, and get a case without those cooling problems.
Yes, of course it's cheap. 'S'why I bought
Mark Drvodelsky wrote But the question still does not appear to be
answered - why does the
mainframe have to run at such a low clock speed?
The answer to your question has to do with how chip real estate is used.
In a zSerires micro processor the primary usage of area is for large L1
caches and
The Workstation Group, Ltd. (http://www.wrkgrp.com) sells UNIX
implementations of REXX, XEDIT, and ISPF. I haven't used their
ISPF-like product, but am a satisfied past customer of uni-REXX and
uni-XEDIT. I don't know if they provide an S/390 Linux port of these
products.
-dan.
On Tue, 18 Feb
Just wanted to report back to the group,
that IBM discovered the problem with my z/OS vnic problem.
I had zVM parameter RMCHINFO coded in the z/OS guest (user directory
entry).
Once I removed this, I was able to VARY the IQD devices ONLINE
to z/OS and my VNIC for z/OS on a TYPE=HIPER guestlan
What did you expect? They still haven't completely rid VSE of 24 bit
addressing limitations.
Garry E. Ward
Senior Software Specialist
Maritz Research, Automotive Research Group
419-725-4123
-Original Message-
From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003
http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usaletsparms=H_203-043
Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA Version 2 Release
7 will
not support 64-bit addressing. Because protection of extensive existing core VSE
investments
is a key objective for VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, there
I'm not aware of any free packages. There are two commercial ones listed at
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/solutions/s390da/linuxproduct.h
tml:
SPF for S390/linux - http://www.uneclipse.com
uni-SPF - http://www.wrkgrp.com/uniSPF/index.html
Mark Post
-Original Message-
Ryan Ware wrote:
Basically there are a bunch of things that make up TCO. In a
mainframe solution the hardware makes up more of the costs, people, network
infrastructure, etc make up less. In a PC server solution it
is reversed. TCO is a very hard thing to define. I think the mainframe
Chet,
You can get the SDK at https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/lxdk/lxdk-p
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/tested.html lists SLES
7 as the only known tested Linux/390 platform.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Chet Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday,
This is one reason we are moving away from CA products.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Stermer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...
Ryan Ware wrote:
Basically there
Hi all, i have a simple question, again.
All the files that i have on the reader spool are the history of the
sessions? can i purge all the files without watching the contents? is
there a quicker form than receive next x dat, filel * dat and so?
thanks a lot (im really new to zvm)
--
Alejandro
Bill,
You make some good points. Phil Payne regularly posted on this issue on IBM-Main. If
you look at the cost of hardware and how much it has gone down, and compare that to
the price of the software, something is rotten. IBM isn't going to lose big insurance
companies, big banks, and
You can use the editor THE, which is xedit like, but with
a bit of (profile) work can look like VERY like ISPF.
I use it in USS all the time. It is free at:
http://hessling-editor.sourceforge.net/
it also interfaces with REXX. Its just way cool ...
Al.
-Original Message-
From:
Eric,
You'll need to install Regina/Rexx to use THE, since it depends on it being
installed.
Mark Pot
-Original Message-
From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ISPF for Linux + Other Question
Alan and
#CP PUR R ALL
or
#CP PUR R spoolid spoolid
-Original Message-
Hi all, i have a simple question, again.
All the files that i have on the reader spool are the history of the
sessions? can i purge all the files without watching the contents? is
there a quicker form than receive next x
I will be doing the install this weekend of an IOCDS to support Linux. Then I will
be ready so start installing Linux. I still don't understand how I'm going to put
this in our network. We have a Cisco Router, which has 16 addresses available on our
MP3000 on an Escon channel. I guess I
If you don't want to purge all your reader files all at once you can do an rlist to
show all of your rdr spool files and then position your cursor next to the file you
want to look at and use pf11 to peek. The ones you wish to get rid of can be deleted
from the rlist using the discard command
Alan and others,
Thanks for the info. The one from UnEclipse Software can be bought on special right
now for $89. I used to use XEDIT, so I can probably get by with the hessling-editor
also, which is free. I do very little progamming or REXX, so I don't think I would
want to try to do that.
Others have mentioned THE, but I'd add that you should start learning
the native editors ASAP. The structure imposed by ISPF is foreign to
Linux, and THE is not loaded by default on most system (it is a rare
system that has THE on it).
Without expressing preference, take a look at emacs, vi, and
Hello,
some info regarding THE and REGINA/REXX. I installed it from the SUSE
distributions, no problem.
I use it on PC-Linux and I'm very happy with it. I was kind of surprised when I
realized REGINA being 25 percent faster than OS/2 REXX, on the same hardware
(Pentium 200).
Here is a THE
Alan,
Good for you! That is our goal and Linux/Open Source products appear to have the
potential to help us accomplish this task, not only for CA but MS, Oracle, etc. as
well! I have watch our software budget increase dramatically in order to process the
same workload year after year using the
I'd like to echo David's comments and add that if you are very familiar
with ISPF that you will be *very* frustrated with the semi-ISPF simulation
that you will have with THE. Leave vim or pico and go for it.
Just my $0.01
#CP PUR R ALL
Better #CP PUR * RDR ALL
on the just-in-case chance that the virtual machine has privs!
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, David Boyes wrote:
Without expressing preference, take a look at emacs, vi, and pico.
Not pico.
It lacks some very trivial features (undo, goto-line, etc.). Avoid it.
It is worth taking the time to learn vi and/or emacs (holy wars aside.
Enough was written about those
On Tuesday, 02/18/2003 at 03:53 CST, Rick Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#CP PUR R ALL
Better #CP PUR * RDR ALL
on the just-in-case chance that the virtual machine has privs!
That was a problem in VM/SP. Nowadays if you leave the userid off, it
will default to your own (on PURGE). You
To: LINUXLST--WFFCAL Linux 390 Discussi
Subject: PostgreSQL 7.3.2 on SuSE 2.2.16
Hello list,
We are still running SuSE 2.2.16 for VM, it's worked fine for our
purpsoses so far. Have a user that has installed and built PostgreSQL
7.3.2 on his box, postmaster starts but he can not connect to
I'm getting a compilation error on my SuSE 7.0 system. I've upgraded to gcc
3.2, binutils 2.12.90.0.15, and glibc 2.2.5, so asking SuSE for help is not
going to go very far.
What I'm seeing is this:
gcc -c -O2 -fsigned-char-I. -I. -I./config -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-I./../include/opcode -I../bfd
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 06:23:59PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
I'm getting a compilation error on my SuSE 7.0 system. I've upgraded to gcc
3.2, binutils 2.12.90.0.15, and glibc 2.2.5, so asking SuSE for help is not
going to go very far.
What I'm seeing is this:
gcc -c -O2 -fsigned-char
Eric,
If you're running on an MP3K, it might be easiest to see if you can grab
control of the Ethernet card for a while, until you can get the install
completed. If not, then you're talking about connecting your Linux/390
system to your PROD LPAR. From the way you phrased that, I'm guessing
Florian,
I was downloading the gdb-5.2-2.src.rpm from updates.redhat.com when I got
your note. :) I'm suspecting something in glibc is conflicting with the
gdb, so it may very well be a SuSE-specific problem. I'll find out before
too long, I guess.
Mark Post
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From:
Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux, preferably a free one I can
download? If so, what web site do I go to.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. MVS Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
Milwaukee, WI
414-671-7849
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our users complain that connection to our linux lpar is slow,
and they want to know our ethernet speed. Our datacom says
that our connection speed to the switch is 100Mb, but I can't
find any command that display the ethernet connection speed in
linux. Does anyone know how to find it in SuSE
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 23:43, Steve Bui wrote:
Our users complain that connection to our linux lpar is slow,
and they want to know our ethernet speed. Our datacom says
that our connection speed to the switch is 100Mb, but I can't
find any command that display the ethernet connection speed in
I just IPL'ed the S/390 Sunday 2/9/03 it was up since we installed our new
MP3000 1/9/02 that's January 9, 2002. I IPLed to install
Z/VM 4.3.0 (Scheduled Change)
That tells me you weren't current with your maintenance;-)
If you looked at the security advisories and decided they were not
Alan and others,
Thanks for the info. The one from UnEclipse Software can be bought on specia
l right now for $89. I used to use XEDIT, so I can probably get by with the
hessling-editor also, which is free. I do very little progamming or REXX, so
I don't think I would want to try to do
Hi Mark, Eric, et al
Yes, SuSE's SLES8-beta does contain not one but two claw drivers: our
UTS Global LLC GPLed driver c7000.c, and IBM's, claw.c.
Configure the UTS Global claw driver distributed by SuSE with:
CONFIG_C7000=m. I've tested it and it works fine.
Richard Hitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:36:21AM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Replace your faulty hardware. It's cheap.
Or spend a bit more, and get a case without those cooling problems.
Yes, of course it's cheap. 'S'why I bought it. And I'll buy a new
machine eventually, at a similarly low price
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I used to use XEDIT, so I can probably get by with the hessling-editor
also, which is free.
I 'grew up' with ISPF, so the thing I find most difficult about XEDIT is
when I try and do ISPF commands with it. ;-(
Perhaps one day I'll do real work in
Hi all,
An Alpha version of x3270 3.3 with tunnelled SSL support is
available for evaluation. Please check the x3270 website for details:
http://x3270.bgp.nu/
In order to use the 3.3alpha7 type:
x3270 -model 2 L:myhost:443
It is working very well for me.
Regards.
OK, so what's so interesting?
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote:
http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usaletsparms=H_203-043
Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA Version
2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because protection of
extensive
I have to wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. We originally started
using THE in original installations, due to needing/wanting a semi-familiar
editing environment in our new playground. I've been warming up to pico and
find is more than adequate for the vast majority of the editing
The 1st meeting of the newly reconstituted Hillgang users' group will be
held from 8:30 to
13:00 on March 27, 2003 at Software AG in Reston. A brochure containing
agenda and logistical
information can be found at:
http://sinenomine.net/events/HillgangBrochure.pdf.
Briefly, the agenda consists of:
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 01:19, John Summerfield wrote:
Linux users seem divided into two camps.
One like vi (I use vim which comes with RHL)
The other likes emacs.
There are at least two other camps
A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for the non
technical
end
I want to avoid the Vi editor at all costs. The hour I
worked on it at
an IBM class for AIX long ago convinced me I want to stay
away from Vi.
[...]
My point is that it might seem like the most efficient thing
to bring your
'favourite editor' to your new platform. However, consider
Oh, and in a pinch ed or sed can be your friend.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 08:01 pm, you wrote:
I want to avoid the Vi editor at all costs. The hour I
worked on it at
an IBM class for AIX long ago convinced me I want to stay
away from Vi.
[...]
My point is that it might
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:08:39AM +, Alan Cox wrote:
A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for
the non technical end of things. Also the 'wordstar is king' community who
tend to run joe (or hardcore wstar folk as 'jstar').
Naw. *Really* hardcore W* folks do
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:32:25AM -0600, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux, preferably a free
one I can download? If so, what web site do I go to.
A quick search turns up at least a couple of things worth investigating.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 10:17:21PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I'm surprised not to find an Emacs mode for emulating this environment,
since the feature sets seem to have a lot of overlap.
EMACS has a lot of wired-in assumptions about how editors are supposed to
work that make implementing a
LOL! I prefer ISPF myself, but I teach a Vi at GunPoint course that most people get
through in
about 10 mins of lecture, 10 mins of demonstration, 30 mins of lab, and 10 mins of
wrapup.
Vi is very much simpler than ISPF, once you memorize about 12 often used commands, and
another
10 that are
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:08:39AM +, Alan Cox wrote:
A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for
the non technical end of things. Also the 'wordstar is king' community who
tend to run joe (or hardcore wstar folk as 'jstar').
Naw. *Really* hardcore W* folks
In case anyone's interested, here's a small kernel patch that gives you the
ability to supply kernel command line parameters via the PARM parameter of
the VM IPL command.
http://www.homerow.net/projects/zlinux/vmparms.htm
Leland
You don't mention if you have VM, but assuming you don't, a ESCON CTC link
from OS/390 to Linux will work for starting out. Once you get it installed,
you can then implement the CLAW driver for direct network access (CLAW is not
available as an install option). UTS Global also has a commercially
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