Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Mark Perry
Mark Post wrote: On 8/14/2008 at 8:26 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats the issue we are trying to avoid if possible. If we could put /, /opt, /usr, /lib, etc. etc. into LVM, we won't have to guestimate how much disk we'll need from the outset. We

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
All IN this long diatribe about root file system no one has mentioned one of the true got ya's - that is the symbolic links of GRUB/LILO. 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology Principal Lead Infrastructure Architect 845-773-9243 Work

Re: Regina and/of THE (The Hessling Editor) install?

2008-08-15 Thread Mark Pace
Sure would be nice if you could convince the powers that Regina and THE belong on the main binary DVD. At least in the z world. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/14/2008 at 11:05 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Regina and/of THE (The Hessling Editor) install?

2008-08-15 Thread Mark Pace
I use VI to edit most configs and such, just to keep my hands dirty. But for any REAL editing I always use THE. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Concerning the original post -- I've used Regina REXX on zLinux and continue to do so on both zSeries and my

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread David Boyes
Red Hat is moving from labelling filesystems to using UUIDs. Ugh. I imagine it would be prudent for those cloning systems to include part that generates new UUIDs. Or use a method of addressing storage that DOESN'T tie a logical reference to a specific physical device. You should also

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Ryan McCain
It's far worse than that. Having / on an LV has _zero_ advantages, since there is never a need to expand the root file system. Having / on an LV introduces additional risk, and will elongate recovery time. That makes the decision very easy. More risk, no benefit, no deal. Put / on an

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Ryan McCain
Or just make sure you have good backups. Good and tested backups were the original Knoppix. :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Rohling wrote: I think there are pros and cons - enough on both sides that I

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Fargusson.Alan
We have something like this on z/OS Unix. It does not work as well as you might think. All it does is push the space problems out to the volume level. We end up having to un-mount the filesystem, move it to a new volume, and re-mount it. I would vote to not do this on Linux. -Original

sane-dasd-update

2008-08-15 Thread Adam Thornton
Obviously the by-id/by-path debate has been of fairly major concern on this list over the last week or so. Clearly, also, no distributor is interested in fixing it for the currently-shipping distributions. So I wrote a little tool to run post-install, which does nothing but identify whether you

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Mark Post
On 8/15/2008 at 7:29 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- It has at least one advantage for us. We are given very limited space to allocate for each guest. This method allows for the rapid installation of either single application/patch or mass

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Mark Post
On 8/15/2008 at 12:58 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Is there a way to trigger a script when a filesystem (FS) hits a certain percentage full? (90%?) Of course. I have such a thing set up on my Slack/390 development systems so that I know when

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Rohling
If you're talking about a VG that has free space and a script smart enough to add the free space and do the resize, etc -- then it sounds nifty and not too hard. If you're talking about getting VM to give you another minidisk, which you then add to the VG and then add space to the LV -- that's a

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Fargusson.Alan
If you have disk sitting around that you could add to the VG then why not add them to the VG when you create it, and make the filesystems large enough that they don't need to grow? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Friday,

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Rohling
That was my first thought too... BUT - I can see how it could be useful to have free space in a VG and then assign it where it might be needed as it's needed within the VG. (Leave 1GB of the VG unassigned, and let the script assign it on an 'emergency' basis to the LV that is running low).

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Ryan McCain
Thanks for the info. I'm going to discuss this further with management. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:01 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/15/2008 at 7:29 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- It has at least

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread David Boyes
This would be an obvious use of Jack Wohr's pigiron tool (although bearing the cost of a JVM might be more mass than is really supportable). VM SMAPI provides functions to add minidisks to a guest, and the automation to access the disk, put it online and do the pvcreate, etc would be fairly

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Ryan McCain
Is it possible to shrink a LVM fs, not just grow it? On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:04 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/15/2008 at 12:58 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Is there a way to trigger a script when

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I have problems with this kind of thing on z/OS Unix. Our /tmp filesystem on z/OS is nearly a full volume with usage around 2% because DB2 was configured to write a log file to /tmp, and someone ran a load test that cause DB2 to write 1.2G of log data. -Original Message- From: Linux

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Fargusson.Alan
This seems odd to me. If I were the user getting charged by the amount of space I would not want it to grow without being told I was going to be charged more. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:43

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Fargusson.Alan
It depends on the filesystem. Some can shrink and some can't. Also some can shrink only if there are no used blocks in the area that is going to be removed. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan McCain Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:43 AM

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Ryan McCain
We are mainly an EXT3 shop. I know z/VM can grow an LVMd EXT3 fs, just not sure if it has the ability to shrink it. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It depends on the filesystem. Some can shrink and some can't. Also

Re: Root filesystem

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Rohling
See lvreduce .. also vgreduce (but you can only remove unused physical volumes which ain't always easy). If you do a 'man lvreduce' it will caution you that you need to resize the filesystem before you resize the LV.. pay attention to that :-) Scott Rohling On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM,