Re: Ethernet speed.

2003-02-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
Alan Cox wrote: Assuming the S/390 stuff supports it you want ethtool I'm afraid it does not have the low level modules to tweak OSA cards... Combo's like tcpdump / tcptrace could be helpful.

VM VSE linux/390 Employment Web Page

2003-02-20 Thread Dennis G. Wicks
Greetings; (Posted to VMESA-L and VSE-L and LINUX-390) - - Now in its fifth year! - - Now includes VSE and linux/390! I have set up a public service web page at http://www.eskimo.com/~wix/vm/ for posting positions available and wanted for VM, VSE and linux/390. Please visit the

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
One cannot make such blanket statements. JAVA is a language, not a workload. Yes it does have characteristics that cause it to have long path lengths. However, it also has characteristics that trash caches, particularly if the programmer takes OO programming seriously. Very true,

RE : OCO z90crypt on zLinux !!

2003-02-20 Thread MCCARTIER
Thanks for information, but I knew about this REDBOOK. What I am looking for ?, It is real implementation of PCICC on a 9672 for zLinux server, because PCICA is not available for 9672. Did anyone try before ? Regards Mathieu C. CARTIER Président ===

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Phil Payne
Why can't IBM price their software cheaper as the hardware costs come down? We had a 3090-600S until 4 years ago. When that machine first came out, the list price was $11,000,000. A little over a year ago, we got an MP3000-H50, which the purchase price is less than $200,000. Both machines

Re: R/O Linux guest?

2003-02-20 Thread Chet Norris
Per the below (03/12/02) response, what devices are Read-Only and shared? It seems to me that only /usr and /usr/src could be. Then why separate /root and /boot? I know you had a good reason, and I'm in the process of re-mapping my file structures. Also, doesn't a kernel upgrade force you to roll

Re: Upgrading a SuSE 7.0 system to a 7.2 (2.4.9?) kernel in place

2003-02-20 Thread James Melin
That's what I was afraid of. The only things of consequence that I've installed are DB2 Connect Enterprise Edition, JBOSS/Tomcat, and brought CVS to use and have Samba customized to do some stuff that is not stock. My biggest concerns were migrating the UID/GID structures and the home directories

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Romney White
Leland: One method is to duplicate the disk and apply your changes to the copy. When you are happy that what you have is what you want, change the User Directory entries of all the guests who use the shared disk to LINK to the new one or simply interchange the addresses of the two mindisisks in

Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Ketchens, LeMarr T. (RyTull)
One of my root directories within a Linux Guest seems to gotten corrupted. I need to know there are some ways to prevent this in the future and what can I do to check what happen before this occurred. This is the second time that this guest magically went down and no one claims to have done

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Carlos Ordonez
Use a journaling file system. Carlos :-) Saying goes: Great minds think alike - I say: Great minds think for themselves! Carlos A. Ordonez IBM Corporation Server Consolidation |-+- | | Ketchens, LeMarr T. | | |

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Dave Jones
Actually, it's worse than Peter describes. The speed of light (or electricity) in a vacuum is 300,000 km/sec, but in silicon dioxide it drops to a little over 205,000 km/sec (index of refraction of silicon dioxide is between 1.46 and 1.48). So in a 1 Ghz processor, the electrical signal can only

vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Peter Flass
Paul Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vi is very much simpler than ISPF, once you memorize about 12 often used commands, and another 10 that are used often but don't need to be memorized. Simpler, but extremely annoying. The whole insert thing just blows my mind. I prefer the ISPF editor

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread McKown, John
I thought Delphi was Intel only? Is there a RAD for zLinux such as Delphi, Kylix, VB (yech)? Surely there is a RAD for Java which runs on zLinux?!? -Original Message- From: Noll, Ralph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Phil Payne
Gamma seems odd, it doesn't interact much most times, now alpha emitters I could believe. Was it alpha or gamma emitters they got in their materials ? Alpha. In the substrates. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 01:00, John Alvord wrote: And Lord protect you if the packaging accidently contained materials which generated gamma rays. Another tale of woe from the IBM 1980s Gamma seems odd, it doesn't interact much most times, now alpha emitters I could believe. Was it alpha or gamma

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 14:14, Dave Jones wrote: Actually, it's worse than Peter describes. The speed of light (or electricity) in a vacuum is 300,000 km/sec, but in silicon dioxide it drops to a little over 205,000 km/sec (index of refraction of silicon dioxide is between 1.46 and 1.48). So in

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
You would probably want to do the development on Linux Intel and deploy the apps on zLinux, much like WebSphere. On Thursday 20 February 2003 08:33 am, you wrote: I thought Delphi was Intel only? Is there a RAD for zLinux such as Delphi, Kylix, VB (yech)? Surely there is a RAD for Java which

RE : RE : OCO z90crypt on zLinux !!

2003-02-20 Thread MCCARTIER
Alan, Thanks for your answer, Could you tell me which solution I have to use if I want to accelerate SSL encryption on a zLinux ? For Apache or SSL tasks ! Regards Mathieu C. CARTIER Président == ALEOS 198, Avenue de VERDUN 92130 ISSY LES MOULINEAUX Tel. :

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Joseph Temple
Alan Cox wrote Was it alpha or gamma emitters they got in their materials ? It was alpha particles and it was not unique to IBM. Basically it started with dynamic RAM. A passing particle drains charge from the memory cell causing soft errorsECC became mandatory for dynamic ram when the

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread McKown, John
Not an option, at least at present. The thought is to consolidate Intel servers onto zLinux. If some of that consolidation could be development, great. Otherwise development will stay on Windows/Intel. Perhaps, in the future, Linux/Intel will become a possibility here. But not right off hand.

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
Test servers can live on 390, but the folks actually using IDEs and developing the code are probably using workstation tools to do this. I'm somewhat familiar with the Websphere environment, so I fall back on that as an example. The developers use WebSphere Studio on Intel (Windows) to develop

Re: RE : OCO z90crypt on zLinux !!

2003-02-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 02/20/2003 at 11:44 CET, MCCARTIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for information, but I knew about this REDBOOK. What I am looking for ?, It is real implementation of PCICC on a 9672 for zLinux server, because PCICA is not available for 9672. Did anyone try before ? PCICC

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Not an option, at least at present. The thought is to consolidate Intel servers onto zLinux. If some of that consolidation could be development, great. Otherwise development will stay on Windows/Intel. Perhaps, in the future, Linux/Intel will become a possibility here. But not right off hand.

JDK on RH 7.2

2003-02-20 Thread Chet Norris
I have RedHat 7.2, 2.4.9-37, installed and running under z/VM. After a year I finally have an application deemed testable by senior management for proof of concept for production, but it requires JDK 1.4. Evidently, I don't have JAVA installed as part of the RH7.2 base. When I enter'java' I get

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread Ferguson, Neale
16K!? Luxury!! You must have had the Level 2. -Original Message- People who never had to write on a TRS-80 with 16K of memory NEVER had to learn how to cram EVERY last iota of efficiency into their code.

Re: DB2 install on base/guestvol system

2003-02-20 Thread John Maenpaa
There may be multiple versions of the db2_install script. In some distributions, there may be a db2/linux390/install directory that contains platform-specific copies of the installation scripts. If you have these, then db2setup will use the db2_install script that resides here rather than the one

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread John Alvord
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:23:23 +, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 01:00, John Alvord wrote: And Lord protect you if the packaging accidently contained materials which generated gamma rays. Another tale of woe from the IBM 1980s Gamma seems odd, it doesn't interact

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread James Melin
People who never had to write on a TRS-80 with 16K of memory NEVER had to learn how to cram EVERY last iota of efficiency into their code. |-+ | | Ryan Ware| | | RWare@INTERPLAST| | | IC.com

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Waite, Dick
Grand Day Good People, Just like to say, It works for us and of course with a little link from your friends you can have VSE/ESA and BS2K. now what's that ;=) z/Linux might make a very attractive build environment for z/OS programming. Regards, Dick Waite Senior R D

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Barr Bill P
What are the target applications (desktop, web, server-side)? What is the skillset of your staff? Are you planning on running Xwindows on Linux/390?

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 01:00, John Alvord wrote: And Lord protect you if the packaging accidently contained materials which generated gamma rays. Another tale of woe from the IBM 1980s Gamma seems odd, it doesn't interact much most times, now alpha emitters I could believe. Was it alpha or

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
Paul Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vi is very much simpler than ISPF, once you memorize about 12 often used commands, and another 10 that are used often but don't need to be memorized. Simpler, but extremely annoying. The whole insert thing just blows my mind. I prefer the ISPF

FW: Question on LVM

2003-02-20 Thread Geyer, Thomas L.
Thanks Mark, lvdisplay worked. I guess I missed that command in the documention. I am still curious to what are units of the size parameter that is specified in /proc/lvm/VGs/VG01/LVs/usrlv. Thanks again for your help. Thomas L. Geyer Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(330) 471-2073 Fax:(330)

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
16K!? Luxury!! You must have had the Level 2. I have a Microprofessor round here somewhere;-} -Original Message- People who never had to write on a TRS-80 with 16K of memory NEVER had to learn how to cram EVERY last iota of efficiency into their code. -- Cheers John Summerfield

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Dennis Wicks
Or 360 COBOL to run in a 32K DOS (mainframe, not PC) partition. James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pin.mn.uscc: Sent by: Linux on Subject: Re: URGENT! really

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
LeMarr, If the system was taken down abruptly, file system corruption is to be expected. Carlos' recommendation to run a journaling file system (EXT3, Reiserfs, JFS, etc.) will help with the corruption problem. But that won't fix the underlying problem of why your system is going down in the

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread Daniel P. Martin
Ever one to throw gasoline on the fire... KIM-1, anyone? ;) -dan. On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Ferguson, Neale wrote: 16K!? Luxury!! You must have had the Level 2. -Original Message- People who never had to write on a TRS-80 with 16K of memory NEVER had to learn how to cram EVERY last

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread Lucius, Leland
Noper, but I really enjoyed 6502 assembler in 3.5KB on me old Vic 20. Leland -Original Message- From: Daniel P. Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
You would probably want to do the development on Linux Intel and deploy the apps on zLinux, much like WebSphere. Certainly _I_ would. OTOH, I am not at all sure that the apps could be made to run on L/390 if Delphi isn't there, so I decided it's a fair question. On Thursday 20 February 2003

Re: Upgrading a SuSE 7.0 system to a 7.2 (2.4.9?) kernel in place

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
Jim, I don't think you're going to have too much of a problem here, to be honest. The Samba stuff is particularly easy. There's only a few files to worry about transferring over. I'm not played with CVS, so I don't know about it's control files, but there probably aren't too many of them. The

Looking for contacts of VM sites

2003-02-20 Thread Duane Weaver
It has been at least 6yrs since I last worked with VM. I am hoping to make contacts with anyone who has recently installed Z/VM with the intent of installing Linux. If you care to make contact for questions off the list, please contact me directly. Thanks, Duane Weaver Ohio State.

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Phil Payne
People who never had to write on a TRS-80 with 16K of memory NEVER had to learn how to cram EVERY last iota of efficiency into their code. Try writing a WAP application. The display unit is the card. Cards can be packed into decks. Before transmission to the browser, decks are compiled into

Re: Looking for contacts of VM sites

2003-02-20 Thread Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission
VM related questions are the lifeblood of the VMESA-L list. Got to http://listserv.uark.edu/archives/vmesa-l.html to see the archives, and to join the list. -Original Message- From: Duane Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: Ethernet speed.

2003-02-20 Thread Steven A. Adams
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 15:43, Steve Bui wrote: Our users complain that connection to our linux lpar is slow, and they want to know our ethernet speed. Our datacom says that our connection speed to the switch is 100Mb, but I can't find any command that display the ethernet connection speed in

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Phil Payne
There is no relation between the cost of designing and building hardware to the cost of developing and maintaining software. Which is why IBM's gross margin on hardware is 31% and its gross margin on software is 87%. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Noll, Ralph
1. all 2. cobol 3. yes -Original Message- From: Barr Bill P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Development tools What are the target applications (desktop, web, server-side)? What is the skillset of your staff?

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread James Melin
I know the difference between command mode and insert mode in vi. I happen to hate that there IS a difference. It's ugly. The designer of vi has committed a barney/teletubbie level crime against humanity. There are better ways to do an editor. |-+ |

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread James Melin
Yeah. I got the Level II. Paid 950.00 for it too. Used Cassette tapes. Couldn't afford floppy drives. |-+--- | | Ferguson, Neale | | | Neale.Ferguson@Software| | | AG-USA.com | |

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
Actually, it's worse than Peter describes. The speed of light (or electricity) in a vacuum is 300,000 km/sec, but in silicon dioxide it drops to a little over 205,000 km/sec (index of refraction of silicon dioxide is between 1.46 and 1.48). So in a 1 Ghz processor, the electrical signal can

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine And I have worked in both assembler on a Sym-1, (now retired!), and two species of Apple 2. Also worked in Floating Point Basic in those Apples. You do realize, Leland, that your Vic-20, was a candidate for thermal run-away? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello again from Gregg C Levine Makes sense to me, LeMarr. Even I would be interested to find out what the logs say about the problems. That command string to check the disk, also made sense to me. While you are at it, commit those commands to some sort of a notebook. You night need them again.

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I think that chip makers found a way to get purer materials to make the substrates. I am not really up on this, but I think they refine the silicon with a process that removes more of the alpha emitters. -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Wow - does that mean if the power goes out on my MP3000 while Linux is running, that I won't just be able to reboot the system again without taking some other action? I've never seen a case where a crash of MVS for power or whatever reason caused me not to be able to reipl it. Eric

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Jay Maynard
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 08:41:07AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I am surprised that some of you can't figure out the difference between command mode, and insert mode. The problem is that typig text at vi in command mode is often catastrophic, and there's no good way to tell if you're in command

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
echo :set smd ~/.exrc should take care of that. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Jay Maynard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vi vs. ISPF On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 08:41:07AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I am

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related questio n...

2003-02-20 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine Close. It's when the internal temperature of the system rises to a point when it quite literally runs itself into a burnout. The internal design of the Commodore machines was, well, bad. They actively encouraged the destruction of their machines, that way. Not

Re: vi vs. ISPF (humor)

2003-02-20 Thread John Campbell
That'd be either an 029 or a 129, right? I doubt you'd like something as advanced as a 3741? John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) {813-356|697}-5322 Adsumo ergo raptus sum IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support - Forwarded by John

2003-02-20 Linux code drop to DeveloperWorks

2003-02-20 Thread Gerhard Hiller
Please see the What's New page at: http://www10.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux390/whatsnew.shtml for a change summary of the 2003-02-20 additions and changes to the Linux for zSeries and S/390 DeveloperWorks-pages. August 2001 stream: o kernel 2.4.17: - kernel patch with

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
This is religion. I happen to like that there are two modes since I don't have to type as much to get my work done. I don't like editors that make me use control-something to do everything since I loose my hand position on the keyboard. I don't like pf-keys, and arrow keys for the same

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
Eric, Not necessarily. It might, or might not. It depends on what file system updates were cached and not written out to disk yet. Some of those missing updates are fixable by the automatic file system check, and others result in what happened to LeMarr. If you want to avoid the problem, use

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread John Alvord
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:49:38 +0800, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 01:00, John Alvord wrote: And Lord protect you if the packaging accidently contained materials which generated gamma rays. Another tale of woe from the IBM 1980s Gamma seems odd, it doesn't

Re: ISPF for Linux

2003-02-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: EMACS has a lot of wired-in assumptions about how editors are supposed to work that make implementing a true WordStar compatibility mode impossible [...] I'd be astounded if someone were to make an EMACS mode that acted like ISPF,

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Joseph Temple
John Summerfield wrote Why do people keep referring to the speed of light? In what I learned of electronics, signals are carried by electrons travelling round in conductors (and semiconductors). AFAIK electrons are quite a bit slower than photons. Well, according to a guy named James Clerk

Re: R/O Linux guest?

2003-02-20 Thread Hall, Ken (ECSS)
What about /lib (and particularly /lib/modules)? You can't just switch kernels without having the corresponding modules available. Not to mention /var, and all of the RPM database stuff. Splitting off /boot seems to be mainly a relic from the days when Linux wouldn't boot if the root

Re: Development tools

2003-02-20 Thread Noll, Ralph
no.. i guess the question i am asking is what are your developers developing in.. developing on the windows desktop is ok.. delphi c++ or what Ralph -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Lucius, Leland
With disk sharing and VM, the apparent outage for maintenance of Linux can be virtually eliminated. Forgive me for being dumb here, but I'd like to ask How? If you're sharing a VM minidisk among several Linux guests, how can you update the contents without having all of the guests brought

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Mark, Thanks for the reply. What you describe doesn't sound quite bad as what I thought from your previous post. Being new to Linux, I really need to know these type of things. If I find problems with reliability, etc., I would have to recommend not using Linux to my boss. Actually, the

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
There is no relation between the cost of designing and building hardware to the cost of developing and maintaining software. -Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: URGENT! really low

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Ketchens, LeMarr T. (RyTull)
I was able to get the system back by issuing e2fsck -y /dev/dasda1, but I still need to check the logs to see what happened. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux Root

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread John Alvord
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:05:29 -0500, Peter Flass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vi is very much simpler than ISPF, once you memorize about 12 often used commands, and another 10 that are used often but don't need to be memorized. Simpler, but extremely

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
What part of this discussion did you think _wasn't_ religion? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vi vs. ISPF This is religion. I happen to like that there are two

Re: R/O Linux guest?

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
Having /boot separate allows you to decide which volume you want to IPL from. It also allows you to have multiple IPL volumes available. I also have a /boot1, /boot2.4, etc. /root is root's home directory and it forces me to be careful with how much junk I put there. If it were part of /, then

Re: R/O Linux guest?

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
/lib is, and must be, part of the root file system (unless you're willing to play the games that I am not). I'm not going to replace my entire root file system just to upgrade a kernel. So, no problem. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Hall, Ken (ECSS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting

2003-02-20 Thread Bill Stermer
Rich Smrcina wrote: I take such a narrow view. The feature set of IBM products is based somewhat on customer demand. Up until recently there haven't been that many VSE shops big enough to have 64-bit hardware, let alone shops that are big enough to need a VSE system larger than 2GB. The

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Duane Weaver
At 10:48 AM 2/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: I know the difference between command mode and insert mode in vi. I happen to hate that there IS a difference. It's ugly. The designer of vi has committed a barney/teletubbie level crime against humanity. There are better ways to do an editor. But to

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
Actually, the flow of electrons in a semiconductor doesn't really carry the signal. it caries the current, to be sure, but the signal is carried by the electic field of the electron-hole pairs in the semiconductor. The changing fields propagate at whatever the speed of light is inside the

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Ken Dreger
Eric, it is just not MVS.simple as that. just like a Lexux is not a VW... accept it and live with it like all the rest of us do.yes it is not a great way of doing things, I agree, and it would be really nice if it was like MVS, lots less headaches for all of

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Jay Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 08:41:07AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I am surprised that some of you can't figure out the difference between command mode, and insert mode. The problem is that typig text at vi in command mode is often catastrophic, and

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I don't really want to defend IBM pricing, but gross margin is not the same as profit. It is much more expensive per customer to maintain software that has a small installed base than software that has a large installed base. The number of bugs found is only slightly less for a small

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Bill Stermer
Phil Payne wrote: Doesn't help the 10 MIPS guy. Those that are left, anyway. Instead they face a continual squeeze - trying to keep within their existing system despite workload growth and path lengh changes caused by things like, e.g., LE under VSE. Agreed. Plus each new release of

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Jim Sibley
I find it amusing that the the Unix purists are defending a 1950's type line editor (with input and command mod) designed for a teletype keyboard and paper roll output then converted to the glass teletype equivalent. The keyboards on teletypes were notoriously slow, heavy to the touch, and the

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread John Campbell
Editor Holy Wars? Again? Look, admittedly vi is a user-hostile editor, but, like any editor, the necessary key sequences got conditioned into the nervous system as a set of reflexes. The same is true of Emacs, xedit, SPF, what have you. Since the editor is the choke point for a human being to

Re: Linux Root Problem....

2003-02-20 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Yeah, I guess you're right. And, it probably will get better, just as MVS used to crash often in the 70's and 80's. I'm glad we have this list. It brings out many things to look for when we actually start running Linux, especially if it makes it to production. Eric Bielefeld Sr. MVS

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Phil Payne
Its just as amusing that the 1970's technology of the 80 column card, 1928. http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/hollerith.html -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039

Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting

2003-02-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
I'll take this moment to say that the first sentence of my reply should have been: I don't take such a narrow view. As far as the 'line' goes, there is still a barrier of sorts in z/VM. What is called the 2GB 'bar'. It will take some time for the 'bar' to be as transparent as the 'line' (16MB)

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Bill Stermer
Alan Fargusson wrote: I don't really want to defend IBM pricing, but gross margin is not the same as profit. It is much more expensive per customer to maintain software that has a small installed base than software that has a large installed base. The number of bugs found is only

Re: URGENT! really low performance. A related question...

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I am fairly sure that IBM analysis all these factors when deciding how much to charge for products. It seems to me that the market for Mainframe systems has increased slightly over the last few years, although I bet it has decreased this year with the large deficits most government agencies

Re: ISPF for Linux + Other Question

2003-02-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:57:30AM -0600, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Wow, I sure got lots of replies to this. There seems to be a lot of controversy over what the best editor is for Linux. On the IBM Linux Tools for Developers page that someone posted, I counted approximately 53 different Linux

Re: ISPF for Linux

2003-02-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:00:02PM -0500, David Boyes wrote: Yes, but the point is that it is not installed by default. The only visual editor installed by default is vi, or some clone of it, so you have to know at least a little vi to get along in situations where everything else isn't

Re: ISPF for Linux

2003-02-20 Thread Chet Norris
I admit I haven't read every one of the replies to this long sequence, but I was wondering if anyone mentioned Midnight Commander? I like it fairly well. Also, if you run XWindows, like CYGWIN, you can get SPF/PC for Linux. --- Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at

Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting

2003-02-20 Thread Stephen Frazier
Rich, I recall people saying the same thing about VSE/XA. They were right their never was a VSE/XA it jumped right to VSE/ESA without going through the XA like MVS/XA and VM/XA did. That may happen again. Someday we will have ?/VSE to go with the ?/VM that replaced z/VM. Stephen Frazier Oklahoma

Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting

2003-02-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
You're absolutely right. I remember being at the product announcement gathering (when they had such things) and the speaker got up in front and said something to the effect that IBM will never release VSE/XA. There was a low moan and murmur throughout the crowd. Then they said that VSE/ESA was

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Dennis Wicks
Greetings; Actually vi was written for use on VT100 class terminals at 300 baud. It was the son, or grandson of ed, which was written for use on hardcopy terminals. I haven't used every editor out there, but I have used a few of them, AFAIR every one of them makes a distinction between insert

Re: vi vs. ISPF (humor)

2003-02-20 Thread Herbert Szumovski
At 18:25 20.02.2003, John Campbell wrote: On Thursday, 02/20/2003 at 11:18 EST, John Campbell/Tampa/IBM@IBMUS wrote: vi is no more evil than xedit (ick) or SPF or emacs; it's *all* a matter of what you're used to- and what works for YOU. That's true except for *my* favorite editor. It is

Re: vi vs. ISPF

2003-02-20 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I just found a really interesting message. I tried to go into VI on my real 3270 type terminal under the OMVS command that runs under TSO in Unix on MVS. I get the following message: FSUM9140 Terminal dumb has insufficient capabilities for Curses. That's just what I thought - curses.

TSM Client on SLES8

2003-02-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
I am trying to install the TSM Client 5.1.5 on SLES8 and during the rpm I am greeted with this cheery message: error: failed dependencies: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is needed by TIVsm-BA-5.1.5-0 Is there some linking magic to do or a compatibility library that needs to be installed to

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Stephen Y. Odo
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41:05 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I don't really want to defend IBM pricing, but gross margin is not the same as profit. It is much more expensive per customer to maintain software that has a small installed base than software that has a large installed base. The number

Re: TSM Client on SLES8

2003-02-20 Thread Post, Mark K
Rich, Check for something like gppshare. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TSM Client on SLES8 I am trying to install the TSM Client 5.1.5 on SLES8 and during the rpm I am

JAVA for linux/390.

2003-02-20 Thread Steve Bui
We are running SuSE linux/390 8.0 (kernel 2.4.19), and our developers complain that java response time (ibm jdk1.4) is slow, and web page times out frequently. Has anyone know any fix for this problem? our developers also ask if we could run a different java on linux/390? Thanks.

Re: JAVA for linux/390.

2003-02-20 Thread Ken Dreger
where can I download SUSE 8.0 for s390 ?? Ken Dreger At 02:30 PM 2/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: We are running SuSE linux/390 8.0 (kernel 2.4.19), and our developers complain that java response time (ibm jdk1.4) is slow, and web page times out frequently. Has anyone know any fix for this

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