Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Wheeler
Marcy, Good suggestions. Alas: 1) The app doesn't use java, and 2) The customer refuses to run prime the pump-type scripts because they claim it would just mask the problem Mark Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:47:12 -0500 From: marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com Subject: Re: Where is kernel

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Wheeler
Mark, That's an excellent suggestion, inasmuch as we have a couple dozen of these servers running and, if nothing else, sharing code could reduce overall demand for memory. Obviously, the bigger win would be if this is the code that is actually being paged in and causing the delays, since by

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Richard Troth
You get a double benefit from XIP. Not only is the content shared by all guests (so if just one guest is using it, CP has already paged it in), but from the Linux perspective it is point and shoot. (That's why they call it execute in place. But you knew that.) Ordinarily, programs have to be

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Richard Troth
I was reminded off-list by someone who knows WAS better than I do that unzipping of JAR files renders content sharing moot. Sad, but true. JIT does the same thing. So ... I am a huge fan of XIP, and we should all use it more. But we still have opportunities in all application areas. Even when

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Carsten Otte
Quote: The larger problem is going to be getting buy-in from the app owner to implement such a thing. Actually, all you need to do is _install_ it on subject file system. There's nothing on the implementation side that needs to be done for it. with kind regards Carsten Otte IBM Linux Technology

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Post
On 3/18/2011 at 08:29 AM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote: The larger problem is going to be getting buy-in from the app owner to implement such a thing. Why would they care? Do they have an issue when you move their DASD to a new storage array at lease expiration time? Mark

Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR)
We just had a surprise announcement by one of the Oracle DBAs during a zLinux Application group planning meeting at our worksite. The DBA advised us that they (Database group) were going to move/migrate all the Oracle databases that we have on zLinux boxes off to an intel/unix platform. He did

Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread Simms, Michael
We are about to put into production, once we have gotten our multipath (failover) issues resolved with EMC, Oracle 10. We had to step back to SLES 10 SP3+ due to Oracles glacial speed with certification of Oracle 11 on zLinux. Also, the application only runs on Oracle 10, I imagine for the same

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Wheeler
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:19:28 +0100 From: co...@de.ibm.com Subject: Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory? To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Quote: The larger problem is going to be getting buy-in from the app owner to implement such a thing. Actually, all you need to do is _install_ it

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Is it possible to trigger a bogus transaction say, an hour before your first transaction is usually executed? We had a similar problem with CICS back in the '90s. The transaction did a call (a no no back in CICS 1.7) to an external routine which did a lot of paging and a lot of I/O to

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Post
On 3/18/2011 at 03:14 PM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote: 1) The app owner does the install so there's no hiding it from them It's going to look just like an EXT2 file system to them. 2) The filesystem is 10 GB, which exceeds the DCSS max (unless we were to string several

Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread Barton Robinson
wow, your DBAs have the authority to spend that kind of money and make that kind of change without management signature? So no financial analysis, no technical reason, sounds religious. CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR) wrote: We just had a surprise announcement by one of the Oracle DBAs during a zLinux

Server rebooting after doing a CP Q DA from the console

2011-03-18 Thread CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR)
Found a problem today with CP QUERY command that caused our Linux Server to reboot. Using vmcp from a zLinux server, I issued the following command: vmcp q dasd | less Binary file (standard input) matches Error: output (21282 bytes) was truncated, try --buffer to increase size

Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread Mike Riggs
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Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: On 3/18/2011 at 03:14 PM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote: 1) The app owner does the install so there's no hiding it from them It's going to look just like an EXT2 file system to them. 2) The filesystem is 10 GB,

Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR)
It's government, what do you expect ;-) James Chaplin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:03 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the

Re: Moving Oracle off zLinux boxes -- comments from the field?

2011-03-18 Thread Carroll, William D
Value for your dollars, OMG, silly me, you said government forget that. Doesn't happen William 'Doug' Carroll -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR) Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:19 PM To:

Re: Server rebooting after doing a CP Q DA from the console

2011-03-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 03/18/2011 at 05:07 EDT, CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR) james.chap...@associates.dhs.gov wrote: But I thought I would try the same command from the guest console (#CP Q DA), and got the following response just before the server rebooted: DASD 4886 ON DASD 4886 R/W VI1304 SUBCHANNEL = 014C

Re: Server rebooting after doing a CP Q DA from the console

2011-03-18 Thread CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR)
My biggest problem is that I have no way to recreate the problem without impacting our production. The vmcp command is at a level of protection against this problem. But what we want to understand is why would a simple #CP Q DA bring down the guest linux? You should have seen my face as I