hello,
does anyone know where i can find the download for:
suse kernel 2.4.7 SLES-7-PatchCD-1-s390-20020522.iso
thanks,
steve gear
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Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
hello,
does anyone know where i can find the download for:
suse kernel 2.4.7 SLES-7-PatchCD-1-s390-20020522.iso
thanks,
steve gear
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, David Andrews wrote:
On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 06:40, Rob van der Heij wrote:
From my experience SuSE is not very responsive either to messages sent
to the stated email addresss and their own mailing lists.
For what it's worth, Jens Sandmann has been responsive to ME.
SuSE does _not_ monitor this list, I and one or two collegues
of mine have a look at it from time to time, as spare time
allows us to do so - therefore we can't correct all misinformation
on this list!
I find such statements to be massive insults to my intelligence.
From my experience
From my experience SuSE is not very responsive either to messages
sent
to the stated email addresss and their own mailing lists. This may
be as
simple as the people feeling uncomfortable in a foreign language. My
German
however is not good enough to bridge that gap.
I don't expect much in
On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 06:40, Rob van der Heij wrote:
From my experience SuSE is not very responsive either to messages sent
to the stated email addresss and their own mailing lists.
For what it's worth, Jens Sandmann has been responsive to ME. But he
has a suse.COM address and may have been
May I suggest babelfish?
I had not tried for ages, and I am impressed. The bugs/KLOC ratio is close to
what I can do in shell scripts ;-)
Mag ich babelfish vorschlagen? Ich habe zu vielen deutschen ISPs geschrieben
und die Bem|hung bilde, zum Deutschen zu |bersetzen, bevor ich sende. Ich bin
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Phil Payne wrote:
SuSE monitor this list. If there have been any material errors, they
can correct them by posting themselves or by asking anyone who posted
anything incorrect for a retraction - which I for one would be
Phil,
SuSE does _not_ monitor this list, I and
: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
Except the situation you're positing never existed. Support for SuSE (or
Turbolinux or Red Hat) was _never_ free. People seem to keep confusing the
cost of the distribution with the cost
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, David Boyes wrote:
SuSE still offers a $4.500 evaluation version, which comes with the full
service of the full product.
While that's nice, that's still a far cry from the $150 you charged for the
previous release, and I'm quite capable of providing my own support.
MS Office (and Lotus Smartsuite among others) proved him wrong.
I should have added he had the OS/2 market almost to himself. The OS/2
version of SS had an appalling reputation, and Office? What Office?
The principal choices were Windows versions of WP, Office and SS, or
Describe.
--
Cheers
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, David Boyes wrote:
Even further -- the $150 media kit for SuSE 7.0 was something that most
places could buy without Acts of God or accountants -- even within the reac
h
of someone's private wallet if push came to shove. That got them a lot of
visibility.
Everyone, thanks a lot for your great response on this topic online and
offline. This realy helps me to get prepared.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Marcel Foortjes
Systeem beheerder / Afdeling Mainframe beheer
De Amersfoortse. De Inkomensverzekeraar.
Stadsring 15, 3811 HM Amersfoort
Postbus 42, 3800
MS Office (and Lotus Smartsuite among others) proved him wrong.
I should have added he had the OS/2 market almost to himself. The
OS/2
version of SS had an appalling reputation, and Office? What Office?
The principal choices were Windows versions of WP, Office and SS, or
Describe.
You
it
available. It's just not a replacement for the kind of evaluation Adam,
David, I, and others are talking about.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Michael Megson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't
In a message dated 1/21/2002 10:26:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What you
need to understand is that your success so far is based on widespread
acceptance of your code and that your current market dominance is based on
being the first mover in this space. Take
Greetings;
This whole discussion reminds me of an email I got a few days ago.
This particular company is working on a new and very interesting
product and wanted me to be a beta tester for them. So far so good.
The really hilarious part was that they wanted me to *pay* $99 for
the privilege!
I
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Coffin Michael C wrote:
EXACTLY! Forcing service contracts down the throats of shops that are
evaluating ...
SuSE does not seem to get!
What is interesting to note is that this S/390 strategy
appears to be the opposite of SuSE's INTeL Linux strategy,
where they (like
On the other hand, by the time you're at a thousand rackmount Intel
boxes versus a zSeries capable of hosting 1000 Linux images
comfortably
(though certainly not with as much CPU per image as the Intel
boxes--so
obviously this is a solution you'd only want to evaluate for I/O,
rather
than
The distribution itself is not particularly expensive. The bundled
support
that SuSE requires to purchase the software is $11,000 (US) per
engine for
the 31-bit and $14,000 per engine for 64-bit systems.
The problem is - for those making strategic decisions - is not the
$11k today but the
The software division has nothing to do with this. They do not set pricing
for Linux distributions, the Linux distributors do. The vast majority of the
price is related to the service, a small part is the packaging.
If you are migrating Linux to Linux/390, there is only a platform change
cost,
, January 16, 2002 11:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: reasons why management don't want linux
Hello,
I have been asked by management for a justification for linux and linux on
S/390. I've read a lot of the presentations about the pro's on linux and
linux on S/390 but still the acceptance
n Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:07:08AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
The only _real_ difference between now and before is that you don't have a
choice of support or not if you want to use SuSE's Linux/390, and there's no
way to test drive the distribution before deciding to buy or not.
And both of
We have started an project to evaluate using Linux here. Part
of the mandate
is to start as we mean to proceed. In other words, the distribution we
choose now will be the one we go into production with (IF we go into
production). When we go into production, the distribution
vendor MUST be
: Adam Thornton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
n Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:07:08AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
The only _real_ difference between now and before is that you
You have a good plan and you might want to talk to SuSE and
'encourage'
them to get their evaluation license in place.
I'd certainly add a voice to this.
Adam - I wouldn't say that a lot of shops have enough Linux
depth to do it
on their own, especially when you get into the issues of
Maybe I'm just being grumpy today, but I'm inclined to say that SuSE have
made their bed, now they can lie in it.
-Original Message-
From: David Boyes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, David Boyes wrote:
Even further -- the $150 media kit for SuSE 7.0 was something that most
places could buy without Acts of God or accountants -- even within the reach
of someone's private wallet if push came to shove. That got them a lot of
visibility. $11K/engine is
I'd be a lot happier if SuSE reinstated the media kits w/o
support -- I like
their distribution, and I generally like their approach, but I
don't see a
good reason to pay for something I'm not going to use. I'm told
that media
^^
If you are
OK, I'll admit I am not completely informed about when it concerns
IT history. What is the Jim Lennane mistake??
I assume he is referring to the Jim Lennane who ran DeScribe. A great
word processor that was popular on OS/2 (when I was in OS/2 support).
Jim believed that no one would want
snip..
It may not be a question of SuSE-on-S/390 versus no Linux-on-S/390, you
know. Further, it may well be going into a shop that wants to run Linux
on Intel boxes as well. Those shops usually want to use a single
vendor's Linux distributions across their platforms. There is at least
one
His mistake was believing that his market position (the only
full-function word processor available for OS2) would permit him to
impose significantly different TsCs on his potential customers.
Phil: I had forgot about that! Since I got my copy of DeScribe for
free (I was doing OS/2 sales
)
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Mike Ross
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
snip..
It may
: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each
boxes) then
most other platforms.
software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat PC boxed set can
you buy
for a VM
The latest SuSE GA distribution can _not_ be downloaded for free.
To get
it, you must either be a SuSE Business Partner, or buy it and a
bundled
support contract.
Indeed. I was told that a price close to $10k per engine had been
quoted to a German user, and the link to the free download
The only major cost of Linux or Linux/390 I recall was around $70K. I
wasn't that interested in Linux at that time, so I really didn't keep the
flyer.
But, my impression was that it was for a 3 year support contract.
It brings me to another topic.
What is in a support contract?
For
Note that Alan originally asked for the number of Red Hat PC (!!)
boxed sets that one could buy, and this was then magically turned
into a discussion on the cost of buying a Suse Linux/390 combined
software + support package, which is quite a different thing,
and totally irrelevant for the
Interesting point. Even though licenses for some software
costs the same between NT and Linux for S/390, that running on NT could cost
more due to the number of physical machines needed to support a particular
application.
On Sunday 20 January 2002 05:38 pm, you wrote:
Rich Smrcina wrote:
How much is a SuSe Linux/390 distribution these days? A German user
told me yesterday that the cost is very far from insignificant.
It can be downloaded at no charge.
That's the old 7.0 GA, not the SLES 7 current release. You cannot download
the current release. It is not available without
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 12:38:27AM +0100, Willem Konynenberg wrote:
The one weak point in several of the price comparisons that
I have seen sofar is that they tend to compare
NT on Intel
versus
Linux on S/390
which is not quite the same as
Linux on Intel
versus
less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each
boxes) then
most other platforms.
software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat PC boxed set can
you buy
for a VM license ;)
How much is a SuSe Linux/390 distribution these days? A German user
told me yesterday that
less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each
boxes) then
most other platforms.
software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat PC boxed set can
you buy
for a VM license ;)
How much is a SuSe Linux/390 distribution these days? A German user
told me yesterday
I can give you a real world example which is based around an HP
OpenView implementation that I'm aware of.
1 Support by 3rd party vendors
The people responsible for first line support have Linux workstations.
Every so often, the HPOV backup hangs. As soon as HPOV support is
phoned they say that
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reasons why management don't want linux
less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each
boxes) then
most other platforms.
software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat
I can give many reasons why someone wouldn't want Linux. Now don't shoot me,
but you need to know the concerns when you are in meetings.
1. A new operating system, such as Linux, requires a new skill set. You
either have to train people or you have to buy people to support it. Unless
you
Alan Cox wrote:
less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each boxes) then
most other platforms.
software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat PC boxed set can you buy
for a VM license ;)
I'm not talking about the operating system, but the middleware and
The numbers are real enough. Rockin good price comparison.
On Friday 18 January 2002 08:38 pm, you wrote:
I'm not talking about the operating system, but the middleware and
applications.
DB2 UDB for Linux is the same price based on the number of engines. I can
support more users on a 390
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