Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 08:25, Tal, Shachar wrote: I believe w3c.org has an HTML/XHTML/strict etc. validator online, so this can be verified online by users How about starting, through Hamakor, some kind of a rating / certification system for Israeli Web sites to check if they are

Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:37:53AM +0200, Tal, Shachar wrote: Just to give a few examples: gcc/glibc's atoi() is 50% slower than VC6 runtime with Intel's massively optimizing compiler. Can you produce the generated assembly for both cases? which options were given to gcc? which glibc version

Host (re)name?

2003-11-10 Thread Amichai Rotman
Hi All, The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my host name. I tried changing it, no luck. Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx). How can I change it back to my favorite host name? Thanks, Amichai.

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 10 November 2003 09:23, Oded Arbel wrote: ... one major problem with W3 validator (and the people who keep refering to it as a compatibility testing tool ;-) is that it has a very high Signal/Noise ratio. It complains about a lot of stuff that browsers today take for granted and

Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued

2003-11-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued: There was a recent thread on lkml about locking suckage with the NPTL libraries. I haven't followed too closely, but it might be relevant: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=106797325227861w=2

Re: Host (re)name?

2003-11-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote about Host (re)name?: Hi All, The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my host name. I tried changing it, no luck. To change your kernel's view of the hostname (what 'hostname' or 'uname -n' return), run hostname

Re: Host (re)name?

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi All, The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my host name. I tried changing it, no luck. Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx). How can I change it back to my favorite host name? Thanks, Amichai.

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:22, Oron Peled wrote: nitpicking sniped Yes, I agree with all of what you said up until now. standards are important, fix the browsers, bla bla. I was just stating the facts. ... and also a lot of pages that will completly fail any validator but still work

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oded Arbel wrote: I could go further and state that there are pages that FOSS browsers render exactly as the author intendeded, while at the same time if you call Validator on them you'd get screens full of errors. And will those pages work with PDA browsers? How about brile browsers for

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 10 November 2003 11:27, Oded Arbel wrote: yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator friendly. No. But their deviation can be *objectively* determined. My point (which you managed to completly

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:12, Shachar Shemesh wrote: yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator friendly. It's easier to conform to one browser (the validator) than to each and every browser out

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:24, Oron Peled wrote: So, yes for FOSS compliant list if it includes a the correct guidline for compliance: Validate your site against the validator, and you'll save time validating against multitude of browsers/versions I'll make sure to include this guideline

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Idan Sofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 November 2003 11:27, you wrote: The validator, only the validator, nothing but the validator! yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator

Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Dotan Mazor
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We are building the branding for the Haifux distro based on RH9. It would probably be too late to mention, but since RH would stop supporting its 9 version in the next months, I would recommend you to

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Ez-Aton
Well, it is too late, and besides, there are both Fedora and MDK nowdays, meant for newbies. You should remember that Debian is not considered fit for newbies, and therefore, we better not install it. Ez. On Monday 10 November 2003 09:55, Dotan Mazor wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200

Reminder: Pre-Linux day Meeting

2003-11-10 Thread Alon Altman
Hello all, This is a reminder that today (10/11) we will have a meeting with installers before the Linux Day. The meeting will be held in room 3 in the Taub Computer Science building at the Technion at 18:30. The meeting is mandatory for those who wish to be installers in the Linux Day on

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman One more spot for Debian: It's support would probably never cease. Probably because it never existed anyway. Commercial 3rd party support and hobbist support always existed for Debian as well as for RedHat (9 and older) and will exist

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I have personally installed Debian for several newbies. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with Debian for newbies. The only problem with Debian is the initial HW configuration process. As this takes place during the installation party, that really should not be an issue. Having said

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:16, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I have personally installed Debian for several newbies. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with Debian for newbies. The only problem with Debian is the initial HW configuration process. As this takes place during the

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Ely Levy
that's what w3c is for, they also have validators on their site to check if the site is compatible. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Linuxers, How about starting, through Hamakor, some kind of a rating / certification

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Ely Levy
Maybe some opensource browsers doesn't support teh standart well but then you need to send a bug report to the project not change the site there are way too many opensource browsers and there would be a lot more of them. You cant go by the whims of each browser or blame sites for bad programming

RE: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread meorero
Isn't there a black-list at Mozilla.org.il ? i mean: http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml Oren Maurer --- Walla! Mail, Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Walla! at: http://mail.walla.co.il

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:14, Ely Levy wrote: and personaly I very much disagree with khtml way of imitating ie behavor instead of not displaying webpage which is not by the standart I of course completly disagree. by definition a browser should always make a best effort in trying to

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a black-list at Mozilla.org.il ? i mean: http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml Yes, and its a very good list, unfortunatly it only checks for Mozilla compliance. I would really like a list that also checks for other

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:42, Oded Arbel wrote: I of course completly disagree. by definition a browser should always make a best effort in trying to display a web page, no matter how broken it is. Sure thing. Content consumers (web browsers) should as lenient as possible, but we are

[JOB] IBM Learning Services is looking for instructors for Linux courses

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
Howdy, IBM Learning Services IL (http://www-5.ibm.com/il/services/learning/) is looking for instructors for courses in the following areas: - Linux Administration - Linux Programming - Linux Kernel Development and Device Drivers You will be expected to prepare the relevant course and teach

Re: Host (re)name?

2003-11-10 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Amichai Rotman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my host name. I tried changing it, no luck. Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx). How can I change it back to my favorite host name? Depends

Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued

2003-11-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Nadav, Can you test it the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL way? So we know if it can be the same problem? behdad On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued: There was a recent thread on lkml about locking suckage with the

DHCP server - one interface

2003-11-10 Thread Stas Goshtein
Hello there all folks, I would like to make DHCP server answering only on one of the two interfaces in my computer, since one of them is connected to Intranet, while the second one will be used for LAB. I would like to activate DHCP server only on the second one - is it possible? Linux

Re: DHCP server - one interface

2003-11-10 Thread Stas Goshtein
Here it is, sorry, for tarshing you mailboxes ... Add this to /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd DHCPDARGS=eth1 On Monday 10 November 2003 18:00, Stas Goshtein wrote: Hello there all folks, I would like to make DHCP server answering only on one of the two interfaces in my computer, since one of

EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hi list, I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement. That's right, folks. I may be paranoid, but to me an EULA means that

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:39, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement. That's

Re: A Linux-IL eZine?

2003-11-10 Thread Yishay Mor
How 'bout using Plone for the platform? Make it a community knowledge building site, instead of a zine. Gabor Szabo wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi IGLUs, I was wondering: Would it be possible to start an IGLU/Linux-IL eZine? An online weekly that describes what's

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:03, Shachar Shemesh wrote: While Debian supplies tools for all of these, and while mostly techincally superior, in terms of user-friendliness these are usually inferior to tools provided by other distributions. Can you please qualify your last statement? I

Re: GNU/Linux Compatible Initiative

2003-11-10 Thread Gil Freund
Oded Arbel wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a black-list at Mozilla.org.il ? i mean: http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml Yes, and its a very good list, unfortunatly it only checks for Mozilla compliance. I would really like a list that also

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:39:07PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. Boo, real men use UML and report bugs :-) The problem was that Fedora now

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:39:07PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. Boo, real men use UML and report bugs :-) The

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:39, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement. That's

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:34:14PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: A good friend of mine said that this is just the proof that anyone who suceeds tries to become a tyrant. I claimed that wouldn't happen with Debian. I'm not so sure now. We know that the FSF would impose a free software only

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 10 November 2003 20:10, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement. And what exactly is new here? That now they apply the same logic to Fedora which was supposed to be the Free community version. As a long time RedHat user (after

Linux and SMP

2003-11-10 Thread Dan Fruehauf
Evening, Recently i discovered that my machine (a dual p3 450MHz with 256mb of ram) is very slow. top says that somewhat like 30% of cpu cycles are being used by the system level. i suspect that it might be the SMP support which is compiled into the kernel, mainly because when compiled

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Monday 10 November 2003 21:34, Shachar Shemesh wrote: You can thank big businesses for that. Take it or leave it, there is now a lot of money at stake. I guess. I'm just hoping (and certanly pushing) companies from keeping their money in the free software proper business. I'm feeling

Re: Linux and SMP

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:58:29PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: Evening, Recently i discovered that my machine (a dual p3 450MHz with 256mb of ram) is very slow. top says that somewhat like 30% of cpu cycles are being used by the system level. That's a lot. What kind of activity is

Pink Tie instead of Red Hat? (Was: EULA on free software?)

2003-11-10 Thread Eli Billauer
Hi, Let's all remeber that Red Hat is a company, which has one thing to own: Trademarks. They want to make money, and I can understand that. What they seem to be doing, is to restrict the use of their trademarks, so if I want my server to answer Red Hat Linux, I have to pay for that luxury.

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oded Arbel wrote: Contrary to common belief, users (not power-users) are required to administer their computers. Installing new hardware (graphical card, hard-drive or even a new mouse), removing old software and installing new, creating more users, changing ISP - these things users expect to

Updates about the Linux Day

2003-11-10 Thread Alon Altman
Hello, There are some new updates for people bringing their computer to the Linux Day that would be this Wednesday (12/11) in the Student Union building from 10:00 till 20:00: - The required disk space for the install is at least 3GB, where 6GB is required for a full install. In general, the

Re: Pink Tie instead of Red Hat? (Was: EULA on free software?)

2003-11-10 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 10 November 2003 22:46, Eli Billauer wrote: What they seem to be doing, is to restrict the use of their trademarks, so if I want my server to answer Red Hat Linux, I have to pay for that luxury. If I'm ready to run a completely identical system, that answers Pink Tie Mushmush,

Re: Pink Tie instead of Red Hat? (Was: EULA on free software?)

2003-11-10 Thread Eli Billauer
Oron Peled wrote: So, after we get used to Fedora as a codename for: RedHat code without the brand name and no support It suddenly may become a forbidden word. Which makes Fedora and Red Hat equally problematic. Your idea of finding a free name for it would help just a little. Not long ago

Re: EULA on free software?

2003-11-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
The issue of Red Hat's trademark policy has been raised on fedora-devel list and both Alan Cox and a few other people has forwarded the issue to the legal department. There are a few hackers there that don't like to put their job under trademarked software like redhat-config-*. behdad On Mon,

Hebrew *.pps viewer under Linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Omer Zak
Version 2.0.1 of AbiWord is out, and I have successfully installed its RH 8.0 RPMs (by the way, you need also fribidi0-0.10.4-0.i586.rpm to satisfy a dependency). It knows to view those MS-Word *.doc documents which I tested. Beside *.doc documents, people still send me MS-PowerPoint *.pps files

Recommended MS-Outlook replacement scheduling software under Linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Omer Zak
I think that the subject has already been discussed, but things change all the time so I am raising this question again. Given that MS-Outlook interoperability is not needed but its features are needed: For E-mail, Mozilla can be used. I routinely use version 1.4 and am happy with it. I even

Re: Hebrew *.pps viewer under Linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Guess OpenOffice.org should work. The one shipped with Fedora Core 1 does a nice job on bidi, but not that nice with Arabic Joining. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote: Version 2.0.1 of AbiWord is out, and I have successfully installed its RH 8.0 RPMs (by the way, you need also

Re: Recommended MS-Outlook replacement scheduling software under Linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Ximian Evolution 1.4 is finally stable enough to use. The one on FC1... ;). Better you install FC1. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote: I think that the subject has already been discussed, but things change all the time so I am raising this question again. Given that MS-Outlook

Re: Pink Tie instead of Red Hat? (Was: EULA on free software?)

2003-11-10 Thread Orna Agmon
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Eli Billauer wrote: - Cheapbytes specifically renamed their CD's to Pink Tie Linux (Eli? Are you associated with them? :-) Pink Tie Linux is a bad name, because it's taken and may turned out trademarked itself. It's not my idea, actually. Someone mentioned a pink

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread avraham.rosenberg
Hi, Let me quote from a letter from Dirk Ehrenbuettel, debian maintainer of octave, on the detection and configuration of hardware under debian: And, as said in the other thread, Knoppix helps. These days, I mostly don't bother trying to figure out new hardware for graphics, sounds, ... but pop

Re: Pink Tie instead of Red Hat? (Was: EULA on free software?)

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Orna Agmon wrote: And more to the point, we already have CDs, burned and with LOGOS, and they are even legal. Speaking personally only, the bad taste will last until the next time at least. I work with Linux because it's both productive and fun. When I have to consult a lawyer because of