RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-17 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] 2) Enforceability - while legal action against junk fax spammers is enforceable due to the way POTS networks are build, it is not so in the chaos of All Internet. Spammers get nailed mostly due to their

RE: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Stiven Andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [long rant snipped] that 5-10 people worldwide get when trying to connect. I doubt that company i work for will use internet zahav in next 24 hours. There is an Israeli site, which was made for exactly these kinds of

Re: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003, Arik Baratz wrote about RE: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.: There is an Israeli site, which was made for exactly these kinds of rants: http://www.service-report.co.il I am not affiliated with it, but it seems nice. Works only with Explorer (oh

RE: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] http://www.service-report.co.il I am not affiliated with it, but it seems nice. Works only with Explorer (oh no) but it is supposed to hold people's positive and negative opinion about service providers

Re: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Monday 16 June 2003 16:30, Arik Baratz wrote: Believe it or not, some people think spam is a legit way to do business. Yes, and they are called SPAMMERS :-) Other people think robbing 7/11 stores is a legit way to make a living. They are called ROBBERS. And the list goes on... -- -

Re: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Mix Sella
On Monday 16 June 2003 03:45, Stiven Andre wrote: May be the post is OT but some weeks ago i wrote a latter about problems connecting to rh8 httpd server that was connected by internet zahav ADSL service. The problem was that some people simply unable to get any response from the server. After

[OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Aviram Jenik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Believe it or not, some people think spam is a legit way to do business. Yes, and they are called SPAMMERS :-) Other people think robbing 7/11 stores is a legit way to make a living. They are called

RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread linux_il
From: Arik Baratz I beg to differ. Robbers know that what they are doing is not When was the last time you got a spam from the true address? Why would they do that unless they wanted to try to cover their tracks. They would then proceed to claim that the police force is an organized group

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani
Regarding spam, One has the right for privacy, including his e-mail address. One who gains an e-mail address against the will, or without the knowing, of the owner is breaking the law. (I'm not a lawyer, I just felt like putting it out that way :) On Monday 16 June 2003 17:15, you wrote:

RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:32 PM [snip] Regarding spam, One has the right for privacy, including his e-mail address. One who gains an e-mail address against the will, or without the knowing, of the

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Arik Baratz, from the post of Mon, 16 Jun: I again beg to differ. please stop splitting infinitives and stop this silly thread. it's very off topic. -- Smiting fools with clue-by-four since 1817 Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 05:32:56PM +0300, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: Regarding spam, One has the right for privacy, including his e-mail address. One who gains an e-mail address against the will, or without the knowing, of the owner is breaking the law. (I'm not a lawyer, I just felt

RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I beg to differ. Spammers know EXACTLY what they are doing. Spammers are perfectly aware that what they're doing is not legit. Spammers do have conferences and training, spammers employ more or less

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Mix Sella
On Monday 16 June 2003 17:48, Arik Baratz wrote: -Original Message- From: Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:32 PM [snip] Regarding spam, One has the right for privacy, including his e-mail address. One who gains an e-mail address

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Mix Sella
On Monday 16 June 2003 18:02, Arik Baratz wrote: -Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I beg to differ. Spammers know EXACTLY what they are doing. Spammers are perfectly aware that what they're doing is not legit. Spammers do have conferences

RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Let's try the real-world example of you posting your address on a buletin board for, say, giving private lessons. Bad analogy. A local bulletin board is not the vast searchable space of All Internet.

RE: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Arik Baratz
-Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] It does. Spamming is fraud, theft and trespassing (NANAE rule #0: Spam is theft). That it's not outlawed doesn't make it any less fraud, theft and trespassing. Spammers know people don't want them to do it

Re: [OT] Spamming (was [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care)

2003-06-16 Thread Mix Sella
On Monday 16 June 2003 19:00, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Mix Sella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [deletia] Should read: an ONLINE buletin board What's not fine is someone taking this address (which you put in the public domain) You don't. Email address is not a

Re: [OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-16 Thread Guy Teverovsky
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 17:17, Mix Sella wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 03:45, Stiven Andre wrote: May be the post is OT but some weeks ago i wrote a latter about problems connecting to rh8 httpd server that was connected by internet zahav ADSL service. The problem was that some people simply

[OT] A note about internet zahav customer care.

2003-06-15 Thread Stiven Andre
May be the post is OT but some weeks ago i wrote a latter about problems connecting to rh8 httpd server that was connected by internet zahav ADSL service. The problem was that some people simply unable to get any response from the server. After calling the technician support and explaining the