Re: Email ettiquette rant

2005-02-16 Thread Lindsay
I was recently informed privately, that I was to put my replies at the bottom. On another list I am on, with 36,000+ members, the new comments are to go at the top, as suggested by Derek in this Post. Linz On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 10:33 +1300, Derek Smithies wrote: Hi, There are, I am told, two

Re: GNUz report, 10 February 2005

2005-02-16 Thread Lindsay
Hurrah for common sense. Wish I live in ChCh again. Linz in Taumarunui On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:30 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: Hi all, The first formal meeting of GNU/Linux Users (GLU) took place last Thursday evening, at the Sydenham Community Association Hall. A report was requested,

Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:29, Ian Laurenson wrote: On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 12:56, Ken McAllister wrote: Hopeful Question: The manual line break, shift-enter or otherwise, that appears in View Non Printing Characters as a little box - does anyone know a way of searching for this and replacing

Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread Steve Holdoway
Wesley Parish wrote: [snip] It's a wonder if I can manage to keep my paradise.net connection going for longer than three minutes. I am getting six to death of the substandard service I'm offered. Who should I complain to? It's not good enough. Not good enough at all. [snip] Happy to post

Re: Mice and RSI

2005-02-16 Thread Keith McGavin
On Wed, Feb 16, at 02:19:34PM, Vik Olliver wrote: Yeah, I hardly ever use mice. Cordless thumb-based optical trackballs just beat them hands-down. Agreed.I recently bought a 4d trackball from dick smiths XH1866, a lot better than swapping the mouse over to the left hand. With three buttons

Konquerer

2005-02-16 Thread dave
Why is it that for no reason text that is typed in the address bar of konquerer web browser it will magically move hard over to the right hand edge instead of it being hard to the left ??? it will 9 times out of 10 start on the left (as one would expect) and at some point during my surfing it

Re: installation of linux on laptop

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:13, Bryan Frechette wrote: Hi i would like to know if ever anyone has tried and installed successfully Linux, Fedora Core 3 or Debian Sid on a IBM thinkpad I series, (1161-93U), i have been having problems with both these operating system with the video card and the X

Re: Mice and RSI

2005-02-16 Thread Vik Olliver
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 21:23 +, Keith McGavin wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, at 02:19:34PM, Vik Olliver wrote: Yeah, I hardly ever use mice. Cordless thumb-based optical trackballs just beat them hands-down. Agreed.I recently bought a 4d trackball from dick smiths XH1866, a lot better than

Re: Konquerer

2005-02-16 Thread rob
Hi Dave, You wouldn't be using a laptop by any chance with a touchpad? I have a similar phenomenon and I found that it is to do with my hands brushing on the touchpad as I type, making it do similar things. Woodsey On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 21:23 +1300, dave wrote: Why is it that for no reason

Re: Mice and RSI

2005-02-16 Thread Keith McGavin
On Wed, Feb 16, at 09:47:51PM, Vik Olliver wrote: I looked at that mouse, but it seemed I might accidentally bash the buttons on the wings. Do you find this is a problem? No, the trackball is well away to the right and I use the keyboard most of the time to maximize/iconify windows. A

Re: Linux users excluded again

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:48, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: As I said in my previous posting, the solution is on the way. Ok good news - though as a personal policy I tend to ignore vapourware ;) NDA bit so I can't tell you much more, but I assure you that a pretty good acroread Version 7 is being

Re: Email etiquette rant

2005-02-16 Thread Martin Bähr
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 08:55:55PM +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote: btw, did we actually decide anything? I think we can agree that we all have some quite different views on email layout. But can we agree at least to delete un-necessary quoted material? right, that part is the most annoying of all.

posting police (was: Linux users excluded again)

2005-02-16 Thread Martin Bähr
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 11:36:53PM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: You ain't studying fast enough!! :-) :-) I just thought that you might have been able to pick up a speed-reading skill along the way. I was curious. Are the Posting Police happy? no, you are not leaving any space between

RE: Linux experience with Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Be very wary of running costs for LaserJet printers - typically more than 8 cents per page when you take both the toner and drum modules into account. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: yuri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005 7:28 p.m. To: CLUG

Consensus - Trim quoted part (Was: Email etiquette rant)

2005-02-16 Thread yuri
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:11:22 +0100, Martin Bähr wrote: so please trim your quotes. Top-posting, bottom-posting or inline comments, whatever one you chose will be fine as long as you trim the quotes. All of the problems people have with one style or another stem from lack of trimming. All of the

Re: Consensus - Trim quoted part (Was: Email etiquette rant)

2005-02-16 Thread Jim Cheetham
yuri wrote: Top-posting, bottom-posting or inline comments, whatever one you chose will be fine as long as you trim the quotes. All of the problems people have with one style or another stem from lack of trimming. All of the people who have commented on this thread seem to agree on one thing only:

Re: Linux experience with Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner

2005-02-16 Thread Max Mehta
I have a HP Scanjet 6350C that works perfectly under SuSe 9.0. Suse was able to detect the scanner automatically and I did not have to install any drivers. I did notice a speed difference running the scanner under Windows XP and Linux...the scanning process seemed a bit slower under Linux than

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
The latest I just had a call from my ISP - Orcon. Telecom have advised that I will be reconnected next Wednesday, the 23rd. Should I be happy? Regards, Robert Robert Fisher wrote: The delay for the disconnection took 10 days after our shift and now I am told that the delay to connect

Re: Linux users excluded again

2005-02-16 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
I think 'The rest of the World' would concur with your sentiments. I have told them as forcefully as I could Thanks heaps! Although we'll have to see whether Adobe listens/cares more this time round than the last 10 years. :-) I just thought that you might have been able to pick up a

Re: Linux experience with Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner

2005-02-16 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Be very wary of running costs for LaserJet printers - typically more than 8 cents per page when you take both the toner and drum modules into account. The drum would probably be an economic k.o. (black streaks printed in paper moving direction). Last year I was offered a LJ4 (no net though)

Re: Paradise connection - was OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread Ian Laurenson
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 21:19, Wesley Parish wrote: [snip] It's a wonder if I can manage to keep my paradise.net connection going for longer than three minutes. I am getting six to death of the substandard service I'm offered. Who should I complain to? I too have Paradise as my ISP. The

RE: Linux experience with Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner

2005-02-16 Thread C. Falconer
Also Be very wary of printers that offer a long life drum with separate toner bottle The kyocera and brother lasers tend to get a grey cast on the page after x0,000 pages, and look terrible. My advice is to hold onto those printers with standardised cartridges. Most of the HP series of

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
If I do not get some satisfaction regarding this issue I may need medication. It is making me so angry. Commerce Commission has not replied. Telecommunications Minister has not replied. Should I go to the media? Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Carl Cerecke
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: The latest I just had a call from my ISP - Orcon. Telecom have advised that I will be reconnected next Wednesday, the 23rd. Should I be happy? Tell telecom that because they have taken too long to reconnect your ADSL that they now must forfeit their

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Even if it did work, I would still be out of action for a total of 19 days. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Carl Cerecke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:29 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject:Re: FW: UBS Broadband

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Jim Cheetham
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Even if it did work, I would still be out of action for a total of 19 days. Bill them for the loss of productivity caused by the difference between their policy of reconnecting Xtra customers, and reconnecting you. Of course, they will pretend that their terms

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Swafford
Robert .. in a word YES go to the media .. BIG companies hate bad publicity... Paul Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: If I do not get some satisfaction regarding this issue I may need medication. It is making me so angry. Commerce Commission has not replied. Telecommunications Minister has not

Re: Paradise connection - was OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread goldedge
Hi Ian, what type of modem are you using? I have good results with an external 56k dynalink or US Robotics modem on Paradise in the rural setting. Telecom have also put chokes on our phone line. Our Laptop with an internal wincra* TM modem doesn't fare so well but we run it out over a

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Roger Searle
I'm getting angry just reading your email. I don't have any broadband options at my place (Yaldhurst / West Melton). My Telecom options are: wireless (starting at a mere $90 odd a month for something like dial-up speed) (I don't think so thank you!) a second phone line installed for $400 (no

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, February 17, 2005 10:52 am, Paul Swafford said: Robert .. in a word YES go to the media .. BIG companies hate bad publicity... Paul Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: If I do not get some satisfaction regarding this issue I may need medication. It is making me so angry. Commerce

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Does anyone have an ISA dial-up modem which we could borrow for our IP cop box for a week? Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Paul Swafford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:53 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject:Re: FW:

Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread rob
Greetings, Some time ago, someone on the list recommended Toms RTBT disk for gaining CD ROM access via a floppy boot for installing Linux on a machine that won't boot from CD ROM. I have been trying to use this disk but have come up against a few problems: /mnt/cdrom gave the message: cdrom not

Re: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
yes happy to oblige, just let me think where it is... On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:12:10 +1300 Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an ISA dial-up modem which we could borrow for our IP cop box for a week? Regards, Robert -Original Message- From:

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread sirlancelot
I have an external 56k modem if you want to borrow that Rob. Lance B - Original Message - From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays Does anyone have

Update: Linux experience with Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner

2005-02-16 Thread yuri
I have received an offer of an old HP ScanJet 4c with a SCSI card for $50ish. Pros: * $50 is cheaper than $120 for the LiDE 20 from tastech * HP is sort of linux-friendly * ScanJet 4c is supported by SANE. * I've been in love with HP ever since I got my RPN calculator over a decade ago.

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Steve Holdoway
External any use??? On Thu, February 17, 2005 11:12 am, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) said: Does anyone have an ISA dial-up modem which we could borrow for our IP cop box for a week? Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Paul Swafford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:24 +1300 rob wrote: Greetings, Some time ago, someone on the list recommended Toms RTBT disk for gaining CD ROM access via a floppy boot for installing Linux on a machine that won't boot from CD ROM. I think either the advice was wrong or you misunderstood it. Toms

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:48:18 +1300 Nick Rout wrote: If you are trying to boot from a cd on a machine whose bios does not allow you to boot from cdrom you should try this program http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html actually can that url and try here: http://btmgr.webframe.org/ --

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Yes, I think external should be fine with IPCop. Whoever is the most convenient (time and proximity) will be accepted. (All offers are gratefully thanked) Where are you Steve? Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Steve Holdoway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17

Re: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:51:50 +1300 Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Yes, I think external should be fine with IPCop. as long as the serial port is detected on boot (see dmesg) it should be fine. Whoever is the most convenient (time and proximity) will be accepted. (All offers are

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:12, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Does anyone have an ISA dial-up modem which we could borrow for our IP cop box for a week? YES. -- C.S.

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread rob
Robert, I have an ISA modem, unknown speed and untested, Lucent chip. If you want to try it you are more than welcome to it if you don't get any better offers. Post your address and I'll mail it to you. Cheers - Woodsey On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 11:12 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Does

Looking to buy a webcam

2005-02-16 Thread xhen
Hi, Apologies if this has been discussed before, I seem to be unable to access the list archives from work at the moment. I want to buy a webcam so my son can talk and see his grandmother over in Perth via msn in windows, but obviously I'd also like to try to get it running under linux. I'm

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16, rob wrote: The old DOS /p page at a time switch does not work.  Is there an alternative for Linux? more or less -- C.S.

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Steve Holdoway
I work on Salisbury Street, opposite the (ahem) cheesemongers. However, said modem is in Diamond Harbour. I can bring it in tomorrow if it's any use? Steve On Thu, February 17, 2005 11:51 am, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) said: Yes, I think external should be fine with IPCop. Whoever is the most

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread rob
Thanks Nick, I managed to get the CD ROM to mount using /dev/hdc and got a directory listing of the CD. I will try the programme that you suggested and see what happens. Woodsey On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 11:48 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: I am not sure if you are able to mount a cdrom from toms, that

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16, rob wrote: Greetings, Some time ago, someone on the list recommended Toms RTBT disk for gaining CD ROM access via a floppy boot for installing Linux on a machine that won't boot from CD ROM. You are not telling us the Distribution you are trying to install from CD.

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:19:46 +1300 rob wrote: Thanks Nick, I managed to get the CD ROM to mount using /dev/hdc and got a directory listing of the CD. I will try the programme that you suggested and see what happens. Is the aim to read the cd or boot it? If you are trying to boot from

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:14:45 +1300 Christopher Sawtell wrote: You will then have to copy the bootable image file(s) off the CD on to floppies and then use those to boot the machine. Also BG-Rescue implements the chroot command correctly ( Tom's rtbt doesn't ) the smart boot manager is a

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Douglas Royds
If it happens to be a Toshiba laptop, we've found that the C key is the magic incantation - hold down the C key during boot-up. Just on the off-chance. rob wrote: Some time ago, someone on the list recommended Toms RTBT disk for gaining CD ROM access via a floppy boot for installing Linux on a

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread yuri
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:24 +1300, rob wrote: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist Try replacing /dev/cdrom with one of the following depending on which IDE ribbon the CD drive is attached to, and whether it's jumpered slave or master: Primary Master - /dev/hda Primary Slave - /dev/hdb

Re: Paradise connection - was OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread Wesley Parish
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:16, Ian Laurenson wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 21:19, Wesley Parish wrote: [snip] I too have Paradise as my ISP. The reason I can't connect faster than 33k is due to electric fence noise on the line (you can hear the regular clicks through the phone). Originally I had

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Wesley Parish
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:50, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16, rob wrote: The old DOS /p page at a time switch does not work.  Is there an alternative for Linux? more or less syntax: type filename | more /* DOSish, I know, but it works */ more filename more

Re: Konquerer

2005-02-16 Thread bossman
Quoting rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Dave, You wouldn't be using a laptop by any chance with a touchpad? I have a similar phenomenon and I found that it is to do with my hands brushing on the touchpad as I type, making it do similar things. Woodsey No Oldish PC ( pet 200MMX ). On Wed, 2005-02-16 at

Re: Paradise connection - was OpenOffice 1.0.1

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:37, Wesley Parish wrote: I was told to get a new double-adapter - don't know whether that will do anything. ;) Quite possibly, a cheaper alternative is to try cleaning the contacts. -- C. S.

RE: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Thanks to all who offered the analogue modem. Chris had the most convenient one. My son is now trying to get it working at home. (Seems to dial up, authenticate and stay connected but he cannot ping outside.) I have suggested that he removes the red NIC and tries again. Regards, Robert

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread rob
Wesley, No I couldn't get type filename less to work either. I don't know about the vertical character in your syntax, I've never understood that. Woodsey On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 13:49 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: syntax: type filename | more /* DOSish, I know, but it works */ more filename

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:19, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: My son is now trying to get it working at home. (Seems to dial up, authenticate and stay connected but he cannot ping outside.) I have suggested that he removes the red NIC and tries again. He'll have to remove the old default route

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:25:04 +1300 rob wrote: Wesley, No I couldn't get type filename less to work either. type on linux is not the same as type on dos. man type shows its a completely different beast, in fact i don't really comprehend what it does do. I don't know about the vertical

Re: Toms RTBT disk

2005-02-16 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:39, Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:25:04 +1300 rob wrote: Wesley, No I couldn't get type filename less to work either. No, because Linux and Unix are _completely_ different beasts to DOS. DOS has 'borrowed' quite a few command words from unix. Sometimes the

Re: FW: UBS Broadband connection delays

2005-02-16 Thread dave
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:12, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Does anyone have an ISA dial-up modem which we could borrow for our IP cop box for a week? Got a spare pci if you are intersted. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Paul Swafford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]