On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Because one day, either directly, or indirectly using a Trojan of some kind,
somebody is going to attempt to do something nasty to your machine. Indeed
that person may, accidentally, be you. If you run their
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 05:35:46PM +1200, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Why shouldn't you run the commands below as root?
# rm -rf -- /
# for x in /dev/[hs]d*; do (dd if=/dev/zero of=$x bs=1024 count=10K ); done
But seriously, if you care about system integrity or security,
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Because one day, either directly, or indirectly using a Trojan of some kind,
somebody is going to attempt to do something nasty to your machine. Indeed
that person may,
When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
When I use VNC on a nix pc I don't get the desktop the user sees, I get a
different one
I want to see what the current logged on user is seeing.
What's the simplest way to do this?
I want to be able to view it from my win98
Slosh wrote:
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 18:50, Col wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Because one day, either directly, or indirectly using a Trojan of some kind,
somebody is going to attempt
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 18:50, Col wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Because one day, either directly, or indirectly using a Trojan of some kind,
somebody is going to attempt to do something nasty
gentoo's broken to start with a few root install's aint going to hurt ;p
/me adorns flame suit
Dale.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 19:20, Col wrote:
Slosh wrote:
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 18:50, Col wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:20, Col wrote:
Slosh wrote:
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 18:50, Col wrote:
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 17:35, Don Gould wrote:
Why shouldn't I compile as root?
Because one day, either directly, or
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:41, Dale Anderson wrote:
gentoo's broken to start with a few root install's aint going to hurt ;p
care to explain? then the flames may proceed...
/me adorns flame suit
Dale.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 19:20, Col wrote:
Slosh wrote:
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 18:50,
when was the demo on again ???
dave.
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:55, you wrote:
Suse has announced the German version of 9.1 to be on the shelves on 23
April. Content:
- Kernel 2.6
- KDE 3.2
- GNOME 2.4
- Gimp 2.0
- Samba 3.0
Intel/AMD 32 bit and Athlon 64 bit in the same box.
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 18:56, Don Gould wrote:
I want to be able to view it from my win98 laptop.
Score -1: Off Topic!
--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell
NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me,
it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine.
Please do
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 19:45, Nick Rout wrote:
True, but emerge is still going to compile the gentoo updates as root.
untrue
AFAIK it drops root privileges while compiling
I'm not sure about that. What does line from ps mean?
root 1288 0.0 4.8 22044 18864 tty1RN+ 20:00
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:56:41 +1200, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
Because there is only ever one desktop
When I use VNC on a nix pc I don't get the desktop the user sees, I get a
different one
Because unix expects multiple
Don Gould wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] poptop]# ./configure
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... missing
checking for
At 2004-05-19T200505+1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 19:45, Nick Rout wrote:
True, but emerge is still going to compile the gentoo updates as root.
AFAIK it drops root privileges while compiling
It seems to be running as root doesn't it?
I agree it should be
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:53, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 18:56, Don Gould wrote:
I want to be able to view it from my win98 laptop.
Score -1: Off Topic!
How? he wants to view his linux desktop.
Hi, hope you'll see this different vnc question as being on topic... I
am running vnc on my fedora notebook The other machines I want to
connect to all run win2k or xp, and I have a policy of always requiring
ctrl alt delete for logons. Plus at work staff often lock desktops,
which need
Roger Searle wrote:
Hi, hope you'll see this different vnc question as being on topic...
I am running vnc on my fedora notebook The other machines I want to
connect to all run win2k or xp, and I have a policy of always
requiring ctrl alt delete for logons. Plus at work staff often lock
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 20:34, Roger Searle wrote:
Hi, hope you'll see this different vnc question as being on topic... I
am running vnc on my fedora notebook The other machines I want to
connect to all run win2k or xp, and I have a policy of always requiring
ctrl alt delete for logons.
I sometimes use KDE's Remote Desktop Connection which uses the VNC
protocol. Unless you are in full screen mode there is a Special Keys
button for this purpose.
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 20:34, Roger Searle wrote:
Hi, hope you'll see this different vnc question as being on topic... I
am running
no date settled yet, Volker has postponed.
waiting to see if support exists for any such meetings.
..starting with June 30th (3rd or 17th?) Gentoo etc. How many keen?
I can show you Suse 9.0 at that time, if nothing else.
rik
dave wrote:
when was the demo on again ???
dave.
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004
Thanks, Steve, but I do want to continue with the existing desktop on
the remote machine.
Roger
steve wrote:
I've never used vnc, but is rdesktop any use? On 2k servers, it treats
it as if it's a terminal server, providing you with a virtual desktop
session, and on XP it locks the client and
Thanks Robert and Nick. I'm running remote desktop right now but can't
see any method of sending special keystrokes - there's a full screen and
a scale content button only. And a right click on the taskbar button is
no help... I must be missing something really obvious (or going blind)
but
I for one will come to almost anything. Not because I'm running gentoo
necessarily, but just because I know I'll learn something. And get time
around like-minded people.
Are the organisers specifically looking for statements of interest
before proceeding further? I suspect most people just
On May 19, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Jim Cheetham wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:56:41 +1200, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I want to be able to view it from my win98 laptop.
Don't use VNC for running X sessions? (install cygwin/xfree86 on the
windows box, and configure XDMP(?) so you can get a
On May 19, 2004, at 9:09 PM, Roger Searle wrote:
Any more clues for this learner?
Yes, well, sort-of. *Which* vnc client are you running on the Linux
box? There are many to choose from ... RealVNC, TightVNC ...
Also, is the VNC on the windows box running as a service? It appears
that sometimes
sorry, wrong thread, but i say go with the 30th
I am happy to talk on gentoo maintenance etc.
chris s and robert f can butt in when i get it wrong.
alternatively, or as well, we can do a workshop, although they are not
very informative to the general populace.
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 21:05,
Sorry for not being clear: I've moved from using vncviewer to remote
desktop connection on my linux box.
And yes, I am running TightVNC as a service on the windows machines, and
have no problem with them receiving a c-a-d signal from TightVNC client
on a windows machine.
The problem
great, thanks nick
let's say it's a runner then
and the beers are still on too
Nick Rout wrote:
sorry, wrong thread, but i say go with the 30th
I am happy to talk on gentoo maintenance etc.
chris s and robert f can butt in when i get it wrong.
alternatively, or as well, we can do a workshop,
Roger Searle wrote:
Sorry for not being clear: I've moved from using vncviewer to remote
desktop connection on my linux box.
From the vncviewer(1) manpage under the POPUP WINDOW section:
The viewer has a popup window containing a set of buttons which perform
various actions. It is usually
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 21:36, Roger Searle wrote:
The problem remains as to how to send c-a-d from within remote desktop
connection in linux?
Is there a problem with just hitting c-a-d ?
Vik :v)
--
This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, it has
forged the e-mail headers on
Thanks Carl,
What was I thinking?..
The distro-select 'war' seems in reality an ongoing search for the most
reliable package management system. In testing the alternatives, the
simple rule is give them a chance - stick with them to maintain their
integrity.
I will keep working with YaST,
thought that was the case.
well would you be interested in having someone round your place ???
but perhaps not a suse install but a demo.
(this saturday might be booked up with XP ntfs test install), this saturday
avo ??
or next saturday ???
dave.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:05, you wrote:
no
possible, tho i'd be seeking out 9.1 by 30 June instead.
contact me off list to arrange visit if you don't want to wait.
(copy addy from mail header)
rik
dave wrote:
thought that was the case.
well would you be interested in having someone round your place ???
but perhaps not a suse install but a
DSE ADSL Router was completely painless. It just worked. Must be why
it's
going off the market...
XH1149 DSE ADSL Router is on run out - the replacement XH1169 has passed
PTC testing and is now with Telecom awaiting Telpermit approval. XH1169 is
essentially the same as XH1149 - same, looks,
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| When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
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| When I use VNC on a nix pc I don't get the desktop the user sees, I get a
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| I want to see what the current logged on user is seeing.
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| When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
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| When I use VNC on a nix pc I don't get the desktop the user sees, I get a
| different one
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| I want to see what the current logged on user is seeing.
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Ah... F keys! And manpages!
Thanks Daniel, that's my answer.
Cheers,
Roger
Daniel Grant wrote:
Roger Searle wrote:
Sorry for not being clear: I've moved from using vncviewer to
remote desktop connection on my linux box.
From the vncviewer(1) manpage under the POPUP WINDOW section:
The viewer
Read My Lips!
KDE's Remote Desktop Connection will do what you want Don. I use it for the
purpose you want - to see the remote user's desktop.
When I do not want to see the remote user's desktop I use rdesktop
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:17:40 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The distro-select 'war' seems in reality an ongoing search for the most
reliable package management system. In testing the alternatives, the
simple rule is give them a chance - stick with them to maintain their
integrity.
I for one will come to almost anything
Me too.
the notebook is running fedora. kde version is 3.1.4-4. is this perhaps
the reason why your remote desktop connection programme has more buttons
than i see? and does this mean that if i chose to upgrade kde i'd also have
newer versions of some of those tools (including rdc)? (as may be
Press F8
Click Send ctrl-alt-delete
Works fine even if your local window manager grabs CAD.
I simply press CAD, and twm sends it as a keystroke No bother at all.
-Original Message-
From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2004 8:35 p.m.
To: clug
Subject:
I don't get it...
What app could you be running Don that means you need to see the whole
screen?
For example - I can access email from sylpheed, evolution, squirrelmail all
at the same time, because its on an imap server. I run my IRC session
inside screen, so that I can disconnect and
Thanks Steve,
Yes the flame about what user I was logged in as went on and on and on to
the point where I just skipped over the messages in the end.
What I learnt from that was that root has access to everything (which I
already knew) and using it is a good idea if you don't want security rights
InfoHelp wrote:
no date settled yet, Volker has postponed.
He's in Germany until mind-June
Cheers,
Carl.
I am using KDE 3.2.2
In Mandrake (is that what you are using?) go to
SystemConfigurationConfigure your desktop to see which version of KDE you
are using.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:32:27 +1200
Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:17:40 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The distro-select 'war' seems in reality an ongoing search for the most
reliable package management system. In testing the alternatives, the
Dear Jim,
Thanks. Those instructions were for the direct opporsit of what I want to
do, but thanks for taking the time to find them :)
Dear Don,
Todo list tasks...
Learn what cygwin is.
Learn what xfree86 is.
Learn what XDMP is.
Don't be frustrated that yet again you have to learn about
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:05:41 +1200, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes the flame about what user I was logged in as went on and on and on to
the point where I just skipped over the messages in the end.
Always a good way to learn - just ignore the community who are trying to
educate not just
Have some perl? Want to live in Japan for 6/12 months?
I saw this advert drift past in a CSI mailing ...
-jim
--- Forwarded message ---
See the full version of hyperLINK at
http://canterburysoftware.org.nz/current.htm
...
###
WORK IN JAPAN!
An excellent opportunity exists now
Sometimes I despair, and sometimes I have a jolly good laugh.
Thanks Don for providing me with a good laugh this morning!
-jim
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:43:03 +1200, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Jim,
Thanks. Those instructions were for the direct opporsit of what I want
to
do, but
Well after using it for ~ 18 months ..putting up with broken packages
stuffed dep chains on multiple occasions (and NO I wasnt running ~x86)
I gave up and started to run LFS ...and didnt suffer half the issues I had
on this supposide automagic from source distro after trying freebsd as a
Nick Rout wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:32:27 +1200
Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the gripping hand, I understand that projects like PLF are maintaining
internally-consistent and sizeable RPM collections ...
So it's not the system, it's the package provider(s) that need to be
Thanks for all your efforts Sascha!
I'll add this to my todo list to give a go.
I guess the answer to my orginal question is that there's no simple answer
at all without having to install something else.
Cheers Don
-Original Message-
From: Sascha Beaumont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The point is user support.
How often does a user ring up and tell you they're doing something on their
screen when infact they're not doing what they said they were doing.
I'm not looking for performance here, I'm looking to be able to see exactly
what the user is looking at.
How often do you
Don Gould wrote:
Dear Jim,
Thanks. Those instructions were for the direct opporsit of what I want to
do, but thanks for taking the time to find them :)
Dear Don,
Todo list tasks...
Learn what cygwin is.
Learn what xfree86 is.
Learn what XDMP is.
Don't be frustrated that yet again you have to
On Thu, 20 May 2004 10:15:26 +1200
Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for all your efforts Sascha!
I'll add this to my todo list to give a go.
I guess the answer to my orginal question is that there's no simple answer
at all without having to install something else.
Thats because
Thanks Robert,
Where do I find the win client for that?
If I could find some old fassioned floppy disks around here I'd get busy and
patition the disk in this machine and get RH9 on it as well I finally
found my pat magic cd last night (not the version 8 that I bought last year
:( but I
What can we say...
It's an active list of people trying to make a difference?
Cheers Don
-Original Message-
From: C. Falconer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MetaCLUG - email numbers
Importance: Low
Yesterday I
Don wrote - Where do I find the win client for that?
You already have VNC on the windows boxes haven't you?
KDE's Remote Desktop Connection on your Linux box will connect to vnc
service on any windows box.
I usually connect to computername:0 then type the password and bingo, there
is the user's
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thats because you fundamentally misunderstand the way vnc
works on linux.
Hummm.
Actually if you read my orginal message I think I demonstrated that I did
understand exactly how VNC works on Linux and that it works differently to
how it works on
Kewl!
That's exactly what I want...
I guess I have to activate this on the concole do I? Any 'gotyas' that I
should know about before wasting an hour with it or should I expect it to be
straight forward?
Cheers Don
-Original Message-
From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [mailto:[EMAIL
My Gentoo box is inaccessible from my work but it is definitely in one of
the menus.
I think you can start it from a console with krdc but I have never tried
that
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From: Don Gould
You have a point - the only users here who rate smart enough to have a linux
box can generally sort it without look at my screen cos I can't describe
it problems.
That said though - I use VNC to assist the windows users :-\
-Original Message-
From: Don Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don,
I want to see what the current logged on user is seeing.
What's the simplest way to do this?
If the remote user is using a KDE desktop, get them to run Desktop
Sharing. It is under System in the K menu.
You can either get them to send an invitation, or you can configure it to
accept
On Thu, 20 May 2004 10:11:05 +1200
InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:32:27 +1200
Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the gripping hand, I understand that projects like PLF are maintaining
internally-consistent and sizeable RPM collections
Don,
However if you want to set up a shared training session is seems very
complex.
Consider this...
10 students running Netmeeting to an OpenH323 gateway (something I've
already played with), with VNCViewer sessions open to look at
different
windows all happening accross bb
On Thu, 20 May 2004 10:41:21 +1200
Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thats because you fundamentally misunderstand the way vnc
works on linux.
Hummm.
Actually if you read my orginal message I think I demonstrated that I did
I now have the Gnome modem-lights applet running on my panel. The two
things that I had to do were:
1. Set USERCTL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0, so
that I (a mere user) could control the ppp0 device (?)
2. Change the default commands in gnome-lights from pppon and pppoff to
On Thu, 20 May 2004 01:44:46 +1200
Sascha Beaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Don Gould wrote:
| When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
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| When I use VNC on a nix pc I don't get the desktop the user sees, I get a
|
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 16:31, Derek Smithies wrote:
Hi,
I think you are also missing the
automake
autoconf
set of packages..
Actually you only need automake and autoconf if you are *creating*
configure scrips using the autotools. If you are just *running*
configure scrips all you need
On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:44:21 +1200
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 01:44:46 +1200
Sascha Beaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Don Gould wrote:
| When I use VNC on a win pc I get the desktop that the user sees.
|
SCO's Subpoena to the FSF Is Now Online
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040519123021191
/*
3. All documents and communications concerning alleged, potential or actual
violations of the GPL asserted or known by The Free Software Foundation against
any entity or person since January 1,
I actually just set this up on gentoo a couple of nights ago :)
I used pppconfig to set up my connection and on gentoo changed the required
files in /etc/ppp/peers and /etc/ppp and /etc/chatscrips to belong to the dialup
group (as well as the directories). Under Debian they were automatically
Recently there was talk about setting web sites up with alternat style
sheets (which I didn't know about and thought was really kewl!)
However I'm back to wanting to know more...
Is there a way to make the browser change one file name with another.
ie...
if the HTML says
link href=layout.css
On Thursday 20 May 2004 11:36, Douglas Royds wrote:
I now have the Gnome modem-lights applet running on my panel. The two
things that I had to do were:
1. Set USERCTL=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0, so
that I (a mere user) could control the ppp0 device (?)
2. Change the
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 14:14, Don Gould wrote:
the broswer will automatically get the layout.css that I've defined on
my own machine for the given site.
Sort of like a replace based on site name.
Not as far as I know. There are ways to allow the user to pick a
stylesheet, but they are
Wesley Parish wrote:
Nick, can you advise me?
Unless there's some sort of tax angle I've missed, I don't think so.
Certainly not on a publicly available list, in any case.
Anyway, this is to the FSF, not you.
Sorry Wesley, I don't think you're interesting enough for SCO to worry
about.
Cheers,
Hi,
The original letter said::
checking for working aclocal... missing
checking for working autoconf... missing
checking for working automake... missing
checking for working autoheader... missing
checking for working makeinfo... missing
My conclusion on reading that was that the configure
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 14:58, Derek Smithies wrote:
My reasoning was that if the above tools are not required, why check for
their presence/absence ?
However, Michael has asserted they are not required, so fine. Not
required.
Cheeky thing questioning me. Often configure checks for things
Don Gould wrote:
Is there a way to make the browser change one file name with another.
ie...
if the HTML says
link href=layout.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css
then the broswer will automatically get the layout.css that I've defined on
my own machine for the given site.
Sort of like a replace
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 15:32, Paul Brouwers wrote:
You can setup something similar to what you want with Opera[1]. If you
create your own stylesheet then edit a config file you will then have
your stylesheet available to either replace or overlay the document's
stylesheets.
Good point. Mozilla
On Wednesday 12 May 2004 11:33, Robert Fisher wrote:
Can LTSP be used with Xorg?
Did you ever get it to go?
Is it worth the effort needed?
--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell
NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me,
it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's
Because it was still masked I thought it would be wise not to tempt fate
before our mini-Gentoo-Installfest.
Let me know if you successfully try it.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL
I think it will have to become worth the effort, as there will be no
further upgrade path for xfree in many distros.
there was a thread in gentoo-user which basically suggested
1. make a package of your current xfree install (quickpkg) - this saves
it as a binary tar.bz2
2. make a binary
I will still wait until it is unmasked I think.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2004 4:39 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Xorg and LTSP
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